Police Issued More Than 54,000 School Bus Citations to Motorists in 2018-19

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are mentioning a report but no one has linked anything in their response. I’d like to read the report so that I can email my local council member. If these citations are issued then the council needs to find a way that some of the money is allocated towards the schools.

Ask your councilmember for the report. He/she has it but they sure as hell don't want you to read it and have already buried it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are mentioning a report but no one has linked anything in their response. I’d like to read the report so that I can email my local council member. If these citations are issued then the council needs to find a way that some of the money is allocated towards the schools.

PP, it's not "people", it's "person". Specifically, a person who calls herself a coalition.

[Anonymous]

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You are the one making off-the-wall accusations with no basis in fact. Everything I wrote is in the public record, including the latest OIG report on the program.

This person is a coalition? Please explain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:.

You are the one making off-the-wall accusations with no basis in fact. Everything I wrote is in the public record, including the latest OIG report on the program.

This person is a coalition? Please explain.

So what happens when the fine isn’t paid? Nothing? What happens if someone contests it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:.

You are the one making off-the-wall accusations with no basis in fact. Everything I wrote is in the public record, including the latest OIG report on the program.

This person is a coalition? Please explain.

So what happens when the fine isn’t paid? Nothing? What happens if someone contests it?

Everything? Then post a link to the data showing how much fine money has been collected and how much is still owed.
Over 60% of the fines are not being paid. Show everyone those numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FANTASTIC!

People drive around buses All.The.Time in my Silver Spring neighborhood. Even the parents who drive their kids to the bus stop. I don't understand it! You are dropping your OWN kid off at the bus stop, and then you zoom around the bus??

Glad they are cracking down.

I got a ticket from one of these. A bus stopped in front of a day care curb. I was three lanes away on the other side of the bus where there is no sidewalk. Since there was no median on this four lane road, I was breaking the law. If there is a median separating the right two lanes and left two lanes, then passing the bus is legal.

Apparently, these bus tickets have clogged the local courts, since the buses are required to run the yellow flashing lights for at least 100 feet(?) before deploying the red blinking stop signs. A lot of bus drivers don't do this.

The video is reviewed four times by different people before a citation is issued. They all check to see if the bus driver turned on the yellow lights. You won’t get a ticket if the bus driver did something wrong. .

Wrong. Same people supposedly review the video twice. They can't check distance on when yellow lights were activated. These cameras do not show distance. They are not calibrated for that level of review. You will get a citation if the bus driver did something wrong. It's already been happening.

No. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Public safety and Ed committee staff report. The process is explained in great detail in attached documents.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2019/20190729/20190729_PSEC1.pdf

OIG report

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2020/mcpd_mcps_bus_cameras_adv_memo_28_jun_2019.pdf

Vendor website. It’s very much in business:
http://buspatrol.com/

Here is a description of the camera system, including its GPS and accelerometer, which can determine how long and at what speed the yellow light has been activated. GPS receivers specifically track distance traveled over time to calculate speed. . So it knows how long the yellow lights are on and what distance was covered during their activation.

http://buspatrol.com/stop-arm-camera-safety-technology/

The law about activating yellow lights. It must be done 100 feet (at least) before activating the red lights.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/transportation/title-22/subtitle-2/section-22-228/

So if a bus has slowed to about 15 mph before its stop, and activates its yellow lights appropriately, the yellow lights will be on for approximately 5 seconds. And the camera equipment measures that, based on speed.

People just aren’t paying attention. Or they don’t care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public safety and Ed committee staff report. The process is explained in great detail in attached documents.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2019/20190729/20190729_PSEC1.pdf

OIG report

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2020/mcpd_mcps_bus_cameras_adv_memo_28_jun_2019.pdf

Vendor website. It’s very much in business:
http://buspatrol.com/

Here is a description of the camera system, including its GPS and accelerometer, which can determine how long and at what speed the yellow light has been activated. GPS receivers specifically track distance traveled over time to calculate speed. . So it knows how long the yellow lights are on and what distance was covered during their activation.

http://buspatrol.com/stop-arm-camera-safety-technology/

The law about activating yellow lights. It must be done 100 feet (at least) before activating the red lights.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/transportation/title-22/subtitle-2/section-22-228/

So if a bus has slowed to about 15 mph before its stop, and activates its yellow lights appropriately, the yellow lights will be on for approximately 5 seconds. And the camera equipment measures that, based on speed.

People just aren’t paying attention. Or they don’t care.

Sorry, wrong vendor. MCPS has a contract with Force Multiplier Solutions. They went out of business. No contract with BusPatrol.

Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public safety and Ed committee staff report. The process is explained in great detail in attached documents.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2019/20190729/20190729_PSEC1.pdf

OIG report

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2020/mcpd_mcps_bus_cameras_adv_memo_28_jun_2019.pdf

Vendor website. It’s very much in business:
http://buspatrol.com/

Here is a description of the camera system, including its GPS and accelerometer, which can determine how long and at what speed the yellow light has been activated. GPS receivers specifically track distance traveled over time to calculate speed. . So it knows how long the yellow lights are on and what distance was covered during their activation.

http://buspatrol.com/stop-arm-camera-safety-technology/

The law about activating yellow lights. It must be done 100 feet (at least) before activating the red lights.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/transportation/title-22/subtitle-2/section-22-228/

So if a bus has slowed to about 15 mph before its stop, and activates its yellow lights appropriately, the yellow lights will be on for approximately 5 seconds. And the camera equipment measures that, based on speed.

People just aren’t paying attention. Or they don’t care.

Sorry, wrong vendor. MCPS has a contract with Force Multiplier Solutions. They went out of business. No contract with BusPatrol.

Try again.

Read the IG report before you spout off. That’s why I linked them. Your stubborn ignorance is exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public safety and Ed committee staff report. The process is explained in great detail in attached documents.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2019/20190729/20190729_PSEC1.pdf

OIG report

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2020/mcpd_mcps_bus_cameras_adv_memo_28_jun_2019.pdf

Vendor website. It’s very much in business:
http://buspatrol.com/

Here is a description of the camera system, including its GPS and accelerometer, which can determine how long and at what speed the yellow light has been activated. GPS receivers specifically track distance traveled over time to calculate speed. . So it knows how long the yellow lights are on and what distance was covered during their activation.

http://buspatrol.com/stop-arm-camera-safety-technology/

The law about activating yellow lights. It must be done 100 feet (at least) before activating the red lights.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/transportation/title-22/subtitle-2/section-22-228/

So if a bus has slowed to about 15 mph before its stop, and activates its yellow lights appropriately, the yellow lights will be on for approximately 5 seconds. And the camera equipment measures that, based on speed.

People just aren’t paying attention. Or they don’t care.

Sorry, wrong vendor. MCPS has a contract with Force Multiplier Solutions. They went out of business. No contract with BusPatrol.

Try again.

Read the IG report before you spout off. That’s why I linked them. Your stubborn ignorance is exhausting.

It says the contract was with Force Multiplier Solutions. FBI shut them down. MCPS met with guy taking kickbacks to cut deal.
Citations not being paid. County getting royally ripped off. Citizens being scammed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public safety and Ed committee staff report. The process is explained in great detail in attached documents.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2019/20190729/20190729_PSEC1.pdf

OIG report

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2020/mcpd_mcps_bus_cameras_adv_memo_28_jun_2019.pdf

Vendor website. It’s very much in business:
http://buspatrol.com/

Here is a description of the camera system, including its GPS and accelerometer, which can determine how long and at what speed the yellow light has been activated. GPS receivers specifically track distance traveled over time to calculate speed. . So it knows how long the yellow lights are on and what distance was covered during their activation.

http://buspatrol.com/stop-arm-camera-safety-technology/

The law about activating yellow lights. It must be done 100 feet (at least) before activating the red lights.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/transportation/title-22/subtitle-2/section-22-228/

So if a bus has slowed to about 15 mph before its stop, and activates its yellow lights appropriately, the yellow lights will be on for approximately 5 seconds. And the camera equipment measures that, based on speed.

People just aren’t paying attention. Or they don’t care.

Sorry, wrong vendor. MCPS has a contract with Force Multiplier Solutions. They went out of business. No contract with BusPatrol.

Try again.

Read the IG report before you spout off. That’s why I linked them. Your stubborn ignorance is exhausting.

It says the contract was with Force Multiplier Solutions. FBI shut them down. MCPS met with guy taking kickbacks to cut deal.
Citations not being paid. County getting royally ripped off. Citizens being scammed.

Then you clearly have reading comprehension issues. The report explains that Bus Patrol took over FMS contracts. Including the one with the county. You also missed the part about the vendor outfitting 1,400 buses upfront with millions of dollars of equipment at no cost to the county. Zero cost. Which is why the vendor gets all revenues until it breaks even. If the county has paid up front, you’d be screaming about that.

The police department did hire three new employees to review the videos, and they are paid with tax revenues. About $250,000 a year total. That’s the only thing the tax payers of Montgomery county are paying for.

Read Andy Zuckerman’s letter on pages 29-30.

There are issues with the contract and the county is fixing those, and the program is undergoing a separate audit. But there is no evidence of participation in illegal activity. And no issues raised about unpaid citations. No issues of missing money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public safety and Ed committee staff report. The process is explained in great detail in attached documents.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2019/20190729/20190729_PSEC1.pdf

OIG report

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OIG/Resources/Files/PDF/IGActivity/FY2020/mcpd_mcps_bus_cameras_adv_memo_28_jun_2019.pdf

Vendor website. It’s very much in business:
http://buspatrol.com/

Here is a description of the camera system, including its GPS and accelerometer, which can determine how long and at what speed the yellow light has been activated. GPS receivers specifically track distance traveled over time to calculate speed. . So it knows how long the yellow lights are on and what distance was covered during their activation.

http://buspatrol.com/stop-arm-camera-safety-technology/

The law about activating yellow lights. It must be done 100 feet (at least) before activating the red lights.

https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/transportation/title-22/subtitle-2/section-22-228/

So if a bus has slowed to about 15 mph before its stop, and activates its yellow lights appropriately, the yellow lights will be on for approximately 5 seconds. And the camera equipment measures that, based on speed.

People just aren’t paying attention. Or they don’t care.

Sorry, wrong vendor. MCPS has a contract with Force Multiplier Solutions. They went out of business. No contract with BusPatrol.

Try again.

Read the IG report before you spout off. That’s why I linked them. Your stubborn ignorance is exhausting.

It says the contract was with Force Multiplier Solutions. FBI shut them down. MCPS met with guy taking kickbacks to cut deal.
Citations not being paid. County getting royally ripped off. Citizens being scammed.

Then you clearly have reading comprehension issues. The report explains that Bus Patrol took over FMS contracts. Including the one with the county. You also missed the part about the vendor outfitting 1,400 buses upfront with millions of dollars of equipment at no cost to the county. Zero cost. Which is why the vendor gets all revenues until it breaks even. If the county has paid up front, you’d be screaming about that.

The police department did hire three new employees to review the videos, and they are paid with tax revenues. About $250,000 a year total. That’s the only thing the tax payers of Montgomery county are paying for.

Read Andy Zuckerman’s letter on pages 29-30.

There are issues with the contract and the county is fixing those, and the program is undergoing a separate audit. But there is no evidence of participation in illegal activity. And no issues raised about unpaid citations. No issues of missing money.

No contract with BusPatrol.

"David Poirier, who previously consulted for Force Multiplier Solutions and is now president of BusPatrol America, said BPA is not just a name change, but a totally new company."

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2018/08/ceo-of-company-that-outfitted-montgomery-co-school-buses-with-cameras-pleads-guilty-to-federal-fraud-charges/

"In an interview, BusPatrol’s CEO Jean Souliere said that’s not accurate. He said BusPatrol bought only the company’s assets, particularly its “intellectual property,” but not its contracts or its liabilities."

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/education/article_f5622ab8-0dbe-11e8-af67-8bce44ab14a0.html

Who is doing the audit you claim is happening? No auditors.

Do the math on the citations. 100,000 citations x $250 =__________
Only $10 million in fines collected = Missing money.

[Anonymous]

You truly are stubborn-stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You truly are stubborn-stupid.

So where's the money?

Was the FBI stupid in Dallas? They sent 5 people connected to this scam to prison, including the guy who sold this scam to MCPS.

[Anonymous]

So what?? Buses are dumb and kids walk too slow.