The Importance of Warmth for your Baby

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

Someone having a different opinion from you does not mean that they have an "agenda."

But to be so dead set on everyone understanding that warm formula is superior, biologically or medically or "comfort wise" or whatever for infants, to start an entirely new thread on the topic with a pseudo-science link, is just strange. It is DEFINITELY having an agenda. (np by the way)

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are deranged.

We kept our son is in a refrigerator bag next to the bag so we could just roll over and grab one. He’s been a champion sleeper since day one.

Why are you so determined to find evidence to support your completely random theory that bottles must be warmed? Is it just a desire to make bottlefeeding more difficult for new parents?

The answer is yes- that is exactly what she is trying to do. To make formula feeding more difficult, to shame mothers into believing their formula must be as close to 98.6 degrees as possible because that's what breastmilk comes out of the body as. And any other temperature is either damaging to the baby's health or sleep patterns or GI tract in some way, or when that's shot down, any other temperature just isn't as soothing or yummy tasting. How to solve this problem? Just breastfeed! I can't stand people like her.

So weird! Every baby is different. Every family is different. As long as everyone gets fed, who cares? There are certainly a million other more pressing problems to address. And no parent has ever proved his or her love through the temperature of formula. This is just not a thing. It just does not matter. You are not doing anything beneficial by giving your kid 98.6 formula v 72 formula. It isn’t cozier or better for digestion. It isn’t anything. Except really really weird. Like someone who is really old and didn’t make it out of 7th grade.

Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

Well said.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

Someone having a different opinion from you does not mean that they have an "agenda."

But to be so dead set on everyone understanding that warm formula is superior, biologically or medically or "comfort wise" or whatever for infants, to start an entirely new thread on the topic with a pseudo-science link, is just strange. It is DEFINITELY having an agenda. (np by the way)

+1. It's not the difference of opinion, it's the rest of the parade.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

Someone having a different opinion from you does not mean that they have an "agenda."

But to be so dead set on everyone understanding that warm formula is superior, biologically or medically or "comfort wise" or whatever for infants, to start an entirely new thread on the topic with a pseudo-science link, is just strange. It is DEFINITELY having an agenda. (np by the way)

+1. It's not the difference of opinion, it's the rest of the parade.

That other thread, about warmed formula being cuddly just like a bowl of chicken soup is more comforting if warm, is wack.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

Someone having a different opinion from you does not mean that they have an "agenda."

But to be so dead set on everyone understanding that warm formula is superior, biologically or medically or "comfort wise" or whatever for infants, to start an entirely new thread on the topic with a pseudo-science link, is just strange. It is DEFINITELY having an agenda. (np by the way)

+1. It's not the difference of opinion, it's the rest of the parade.

I agree and I think it's a variant of the breast is best movement. I don't know if OP used formula, but she's deadset on proving somehow that serving formula one way is better than another way, regardless whether a particular kid cares one way or another. Moms so often need to establish that their way is the best way; not sure why.

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Why are you guys trying to put in breastfeeding in a thread where it has NOT EVEN BEEN SUGGESTED? Are you that obsessed with labeling people as "BF Nazis" and "formula-shamers," etc.? Why are you looking for problems?

Anyway, ***I used formula with both of my babies*** but always warmed, when possible. It's what my pediatrician suggested, it's what the doctors and nurses and even the LC at the hospital suggested, it's what every baby book I ever read suggested. If you don't want to warm formula, then freaking don't. But stop acting like the idea to do so comes from thin air. Yes, it is OK NOT TO. WE GET THAT. But a lot of doctors, nurses, LCs and authors of baby books suggest that you do.

Whatever!

And recommendations change as more evidence is gathered. Sometimes it's just a matter of style, too.

But honestly. I don't think anyone would have cared if OP hadn't harped on how unhealthy and uncaring it was not to warm up formula to the same temperature you'd get for breastmilk. Trying to make other new moms feel bad for no good reason AND pretending you have nonexistent scientific evidence to back you up? That's worth getting called out.

The original post said "warming the bottle." It did not say "you should breastfeed instead of formula feeding." Show me where I'm wrong.

Do you mean the original post here or in the other thread?

Um, here. As in this thread. As in the thread we are actually in.

You realize this is a continuation of a conversation from another thread, though, right?

OP didn't just start talking about this out of nowhere, and the criticisms of what she has said are covering the full conversation. She referenced her starting point and other views in the first post of this thread, even, so it's not like she was trying to hide it.

So you checked with Jeff and verified that the poster(s) who said people should just breastfeed in the other thread is the same poster of this thread?

Do you or do you not realize that more than one poster were suggesting that people warm bottles in the other thread. I would venture to say several posters. And yes, one person very rudely pushed formula. But really, one rude poster out of 10 pages of posts on that topic really doesn't equal a BF conspiracy.

Who said it did? It's just a weird agenda for someone(s).

Someone having a different opinion from you does not mean that they have an "agenda."

But to be so dead set on everyone understanding that warm formula is superior, biologically or medically or "comfort wise" or whatever for infants, to start an entirely new thread on the topic with a pseudo-science link, is just strange. It is DEFINITELY having an agenda. (np by the way)

+1. It's not the difference of opinion, it's the rest of the parade.

I agree and I think it's a variant of the breast is best movement. I don't know if OP used formula, but she's deadset on proving somehow that serving formula one way is better than another way, regardless whether a particular kid cares one way or another. Moms so often need to establish that their way is the best way; not sure why.

My guess would be- since she mentions how she formula fed (but OF COURSE with warmed formula!!) is that she feels profound guilt for not breastfeeding, so warming the formula to body temperature became her "thing", to make it closer to breastmilk and therefore superior.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

People who believe cold bottles are good for newborn babies should absolutely exercise their parental authority, and do cold bottles. Several posters have already made this abundantly clear.

If, however, these parents find they're having trouble getting their babies to sleep at night, they may want to reconsider, and give the warmed bottle a try. I find it fascinating that prominent pediatricians have found that optimal temperature control is an important factor in the healthy development of babies. -OP

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

People who believe cold bottles are good for newborn babies should absolutely exercise their parental authority, and do cold bottles. Several posters have already made this abundantly clear.

If, however, these parents find they're having trouble getting their babies to sleep at night, they may want to reconsider, and give the warmed bottle a try. I find it fascinating that prominent pediatricians have found that optimal temperature control is an important factor in the healthy development of babies. -OP

I am a pediatrician, and there is no science behind giving formula that is room temp vs formula that has been warmed, other than preference of the baby. In the NICU, we do not order the formula to be warmed. It's given room temp. Optimal temperature control of food is not an important factor in the healthy development of babies. If your baby cries with room temperature food- or milk- and prefers it warm- then of course, warm it up. Be careful not to use the microwave or make it too hot. Otherwise- temperature of their food does not matter.

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It simply makes more sense to me to have your baby's bottle closer in temperature to the baby's own body temperature. Otherwise, the baby has to bring it up to body temperature herself. I'd rather ease the digestive process, rather than shock it with cold formula.

But if you believe your baby is better off with cold, no one is going to put a bottle warmer on your doorstep. It may be that warming anything to eat is needlessly time consuming, and not worth the effort.

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I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

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Anonymous wrote:It simply makes more sense to me to have your baby's bottle closer in temperature to the baby's own body temperature. Otherwise, the baby has to bring it up to body temperature herself. I'd rather ease the digestive process, rather than shock it with cold formula.

But if you believe your baby is better off with cold, no one is going to put a bottle warmer on your doorstep. It may be that warming anything to eat is needlessly time consuming, and not worth the effort.

If there were sound medical science behind this, I'm sure most would agree with you. But giving a room temp ready to feed nursette has not been shown by anyone to "shock the digestive process with cold formula". Again- if you want to give warm formula that's great and there is nothing wrong with that, but there is also nothing wrong with room temp formula and to tell fragile new moms that they are shocking their infants digestive system by giving unwarmed formula is needlessly cruel, as well as factually incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

*We must warm the formula to 98.6 degrees F, because that is best, because that's how it comes out of the breast, which is best.*

Does that help explain it to you, PP?

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People who believe cold bottles are good for newborn babies should absolutely exercise their parental authority, and do cold bottles. Several posters have already made this abundantly clear.

If, however, these parents find they're having trouble getting their babies to sleep at night, they may want to reconsider, and give the warmed bottle a try. I find it fascinating that prominent pediatricians have found that optimal temperature control is an important factor in the healthy development of babies. -OP

They do, do they? Could you provide two examples, please, OP?

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:I just find it extremely odd that not one person in this thread has pushed breastfeeding or formula-shamed, but some of you really insist that that is what happening when a mother who said she uses formula gives her opinion that she thinks it is important to warm it up.

Disagree with her on the warming-up being important, that's fine. But you somehow saying that she's really a BF Nazi is reallllly reaching.

-Identifying myself as a formula feeder, lest you also accuse me of Breast is Besting you

Because she is not saying that's what she prefers, she is strongly inferring that moms who don't heat bottles are negligent. Look at her language. "If you insist cold bottles are good for your baby". "If you don't want to shock their digestion with cold formula" "If they aren't sleeping well at night, try warming it up". "It makes sense to give it to them at their body temperature to make it easier for them". This language is harmful to new moms who are already struggling enough, and to top it off, her agenda isn't based in any kind of science or fact. It's like an anti-vaxxer saying she doesn't want to stab her baby with needles full of animal byproduct but if you want to do it, then go for it. The language is just mean, and medically incorrect.

I'm sorry, but even as a new mom, other people's opinions just didn't mean that much to me. She's not claiming to be a doctor or a nurse, she's just some rando on DCUM being a rando on DCUM. If you take every comment on DCUM to heart, and have no critical thinking skills, then you are more dangerous to yourself than any "formula pusher" could possibly be.