High school science teacher suggests grammatically incorrect title on paper

[Anonymous]

adults mix up 'affect' and 'effect' all the time

Teachers shouldn't but more importantly I'm tired of the mindset that teachers can't be corrected, or it has to be done oh so carefully. Teachers want to be respected as professionals but every other person in all other professions manage criticism everyday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

adults mix up 'affect' and 'effect' all the time

Teachers shouldn't but more importantly I'm tired of the mindset that teachers can't be corrected, or it has to be done oh so carefully. Teachers want to be respected as professionals but every other person in all other professions manage criticism everyday.

I suspect that there are many people who would not agree with that statement. You've never worked for someone who did not manage criticism well? Especially when it is done with a "gotcha" attitude?
Of course, teachers can be corrected. But. OP did not like the idea that her DD should use tact. It wouldn't have hurt to give the teacher the benefit of the doubt.
If DD acts like this always, she will have a hard time working for anyone.

Where is the harm in being kind to the teacher? Perhaps, suggesting to DD that the teacher made a mistake because she was overworked and tired. I find it difficult to believe that the teacher did not know the difference. And, if she didn't, is it necessary to embarrass her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

adults mix up 'affect' and 'effect' all the time

Teachers shouldn't but more importantly I'm tired of the mindset that teachers can't be corrected, or it has to be done oh so carefully. Teachers want to be respected as professionals but every other person in all other professions manage criticism everyday.

LOL! OP certainly does not!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not a big deal. Don't make it one. Tell you daughter to talk to the teacher and take a dictionary with her. I would suggest a "puzzled" approach.

All due respect, I am raising a young woman. I am teaching her to assert herself. Politely and with civility, yes. But never to act confused or deferential when she knows she is right. Pretending to be puzzled is an offensive suggestion.

Gee whiz. Really?

"Puzzled" can denote lots of things. She is giving the teacher the benefit of the doubt. That is a polite thing to do. "Puzzled" can mean lots of things: puzzled as to why the teacher did this (likely tired).

By going to the teacher, she is being assertive. Remember, some on this thread are advocating that MOM go directly to the PRINCIPAL. That is hardly assertive.
I am puzzled as to why the teacher did it. I'd like to know if she doesn't know better or was just very, very tired.

Do you never give others the benefit of the doubt? Do you never give your spouse or kids the benefit of the doubt or are you always assertive (or agressive) with them? Same at work? You must be fun to work with.

Years ago, there was a program called "Assertiveness Training." It had some good points, but some people took it way beyond what is necessary. Anytime they did not like what you did, they felt it necessary to tell you. They would not let anything slide off their shoulders. They also became quite unpopular.
No one wanted to work with them.

"Assertive" is one thing. "Obnoxious" is another.

Yes, really. You know perfectly well the advice to act "puzzled" was to convey uncertainty and deference. People were saying to bring in a dictionary, etc. We do not need to teach our girls to give others "the benefit of the doubt." The next thing you know, she might be apologizing for challenging someone sitting in her assigned seat at the movies.

I've taught my kids two things: 1) Never apologize for being right. But also, 2) When given the choice between being right and being kind, always choose kind.

I'm trying to figure out the solution here.

Update: DD did take it to the teacher and said she didn't understand why it was corrected to "affect" when "effect" was correct. DD reports teacher seemed slightly annoyed and convinced she was right, but didn't push it. So I guess we'll leave it at that.

The teacher seemed sightly annoyed and convinced that she (the teacher or your daughter??) was right?

Do you mean that the teacher did not acknowledge that their own mistake and still thinks that your daughter's paper title is misspelled? Or was the teacher annoyed but convinced that your duaghter's spelling was, in fact, correct?

[Anonymous]

^please forgive the typos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

adults mix up 'affect' and 'effect' all the time

Teachers shouldn't but more importantly I'm tired of the mindset that teachers can't be corrected, or it has to be done oh so carefully. Teachers want to be respected as professionals but every other person in all other professions manage criticism everyday.

I suspect that there are many people who would not agree with that statement. You've never worked for someone who did not manage criticism well? Especially when it is done with a "gotcha" attitude?
Of course, teachers can be corrected. But. OP did not like the idea that her DD should use tact. It wouldn't have hurt to give the teacher the benefit of the doubt.
If DD acts like this always, she will have a hard time working for anyone.

Where is the harm in being kind to the teacher? Perhaps, suggesting to DD that the teacher made a mistake because she was overworked and tired. I find it difficult to believe that the teacher did not know the difference. And, if she didn't, is it necessary to embarrass her?

OP here. You are making stuff up out of whole cloth. My whole question was about how to do this with tact. It’s been handled. Until you demonstrate some reading comprehension and stop misrepresenting what I have said here, I thank you for refraining from further comment in my thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a big deal. Don't make it one. Tell you daughter to talk to the teacher and take a dictionary with her. I would suggest a "puzzled" approach.

All due respect, I am raising a young woman. I am teaching her to assert herself. Politely and with civility, yes. But never to act confused or deferential when she knows she is right. Pretending to be puzzled is an offensive suggestion.

Gee whiz. Really?

"Puzzled" can denote lots of things. She is giving the teacher the benefit of the doubt. That is a polite thing to do. "Puzzled" can mean lots of things: puzzled as to why the teacher did this (likely tired).

By going to the teacher, she is being assertive. Remember, some on this thread are advocating that MOM go directly to the PRINCIPAL. That is hardly assertive.
I am puzzled as to why the teacher did it. I'd like to know if she doesn't know better or was just very, very tired.

Do you never give others the benefit of the doubt? Do you never give your spouse or kids the benefit of the doubt or are you always assertive (or agressive) with them? Same at work? You must be fun to work with.

Years ago, there was a program called "Assertiveness Training." It had some good points, but some people took it way beyond what is necessary. Anytime they did not like what you did, they felt it necessary to tell you. They would not let anything slide off their shoulders. They also became quite unpopular.
No one wanted to work with them.

"Assertive" is one thing. "Obnoxious" is another.

Yes, really. You know perfectly well the advice to act "puzzled" was to convey uncertainty and deference. People were saying to bring in a dictionary, etc. We do not need to teach our girls to give others "the benefit of the doubt." The next thing you know, she might be apologizing for challenging someone sitting in her assigned seat at the movies.

I've taught my kids two things: 1) Never apologize for being right. But also, 2) When given the choice between being right and being kind, always choose kind.

I'm trying to figure out the solution here.

Update: DD did take it to the teacher and said she didn't understand why it was corrected to "affect" when "effect" was correct. DD reports teacher seemed slightly annoyed and convinced she was right, but didn't push it. So I guess we'll leave it at that.

The teacher seemed sightly annoyed and convinced that she (the teacher or your daughter??) was right?

Do you mean that the teacher did not acknowledge that their own mistake and still thinks that your daughter's paper title is misspelled? Or was the teacher annoyed but convinced that your duaghter's spelling was, in fact, correct?

Correct. The teacher continues to believe “affect” is correct and seemed annoyed at having that position challenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

adults mix up 'affect' and 'effect' all the time

Teachers shouldn't but more importantly I'm tired of the mindset that teachers can't be corrected, or it has to be done oh so carefully. Teachers want to be respected as professionals but every other person in all other professions manage criticism everyday.

Nobody should have to deal with criticism, feedback yes.

You clearly don't work or suck as a manager.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not a big deal. Don't make it one. Tell you daughter to talk to the teacher and take a dictionary with her. I would suggest a "puzzled" approach.

All due respect, I am raising a young woman. I am teaching her to assert herself. Politely and with civility, yes. But never to act confused or deferential when she knows she is right. Pretending to be puzzled is an offensive suggestion.

Gee whiz. Really?

"Puzzled" can denote lots of things. She is giving the teacher the benefit of the doubt. That is a polite thing to do. "Puzzled" can mean lots of things: puzzled as to why the teacher did this (likely tired).

By going to the teacher, she is being assertive. Remember, some on this thread are advocating that MOM go directly to the PRINCIPAL. That is hardly assertive.
I am puzzled as to why the teacher did it. I'd like to know if she doesn't know better or was just very, very tired.

Do you never give others the benefit of the doubt? Do you never give your spouse or kids the benefit of the doubt or are you always assertive (or agressive) with them? Same at work? You must be fun to work with.

Years ago, there was a program called "Assertiveness Training." It had some good points, but some people took it way beyond what is necessary. Anytime they did not like what you did, they felt it necessary to tell you. They would not let anything slide off their shoulders. They also became quite unpopular.
No one wanted to work with them.

"Assertive" is one thing. "Obnoxious" is another.

Yes, really. You know perfectly well the advice to act "puzzled" was to convey uncertainty and deference. People were saying to bring in a dictionary, etc. We do not need to teach our girls to give others "the benefit of the doubt." The next thing you know, she might be apologizing for challenging someone sitting in her assigned seat at the movies.

I've taught my kids two things: 1) Never apologize for being right. But also, 2) When given the choice between being right and being kind, always choose kind.

I'm trying to figure out the solution here.

Update: DD did take it to the teacher and said she didn't understand why it was corrected to "affect" when "effect" was correct. DD reports teacher seemed slightly annoyed and convinced she was right, but didn't push it. So I guess we'll leave it at that.

The teacher seemed sightly annoyed and convinced that she (the teacher or your daughter??) was right?

Do you mean that the teacher did not acknowledge that their own mistake and still thinks that your daughter's paper title is misspelled? Or was the teacher annoyed but convinced that your duaghter's spelling was, in fact, correct?

Correct. The teacher continues to believe “affect” is correct and seemed annoyed at having that position challenged.

OP, Go To The Principal. Now.

[Anonymous]

feedback is another word for criticism, whatever...