class action against APS what are our options?

[Anonymous]

The AH advocates were instrumental in squashing the street car. They don’t want mixed income development.
You people really need to understand that many of our decision makers ( and not all of them are elected) want to keep the western Pike depressed in per pituitary.
They need the schools to underperform as well. They need to depress the area as long as possible.
I’m truly surprised the food star was demolished. God bless the free market.

[Anonymous]

"perpetuity"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"perpetuity"

By all means, focus on autocorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The realignment plans are a joke. Is DOE the place to complain if the system is stacking the schools based on socio economic lines. They are in essence resegregated the schools. They are cloaking it under neighborhoods but its clear the more expensive homes are walking to schools that are scoring better and the less expensive areas, along with high immigrate populations are being zoned to the lower achieve schools. Of course in this country still race and money tend to go hand and hand.

DOE is the Department of Energy.

ED is the Department of Education.

As someone with barely a bone anymore in this fight, my thought was that remarkably few students actually moved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The realignment plans are a joke. Is DOE the place to complain if the system is stacking the schools based on socio economic lines. They are in essence resegregated the schools. They are cloaking it under neighborhoods but its clear the more expensive homes are walking to schools that are scoring better and the less expensive areas, along with high immigrate populations are being zoned to the lower achieve schools. Of course in this country still race and money tend to go hand and hand.

DOE is the Department of Energy.

ED is the Department of Education.

As someone with barely a bone anymore in this fight, my thought was that remarkably few students actually moved.

But because of our extreme residential segregation, which is not unintentional, the "neighborhood" schools become more segregated. It may not be a problem entirely caused by the school system, but it is one being reinforced by their decisions and priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The realignment plans are a joke. Is DOE the place to complain if the system is stacking the schools based on socio economic lines. They are in essence resegregated the schools. They are cloaking it under neighborhoods but its clear the more expensive homes are walking to schools that are scoring better and the less expensive areas, along with high immigrate populations are being zoned to the lower achieve schools. Of course in this country still race and money tend to go hand and hand.

DOE is the Department of Energy.

ED is the Department of Education.

As someone with barely a bone anymore in this fight, my thought was that remarkably few students actually moved.

But because of our extreme residential segregation, which is not unintentional, the "neighborhood" schools become more segregated. It may not be a problem entirely caused by the school system, but it is one being reinforced by their decisions and priorities.

Sounds good. Where as you zoned for in the latest map, and where do you think your child should be bused instead to accomplish this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:File as many complaints as you can as soon as you can. Contact the NAACP. Contact Moriah Balingit at the Washington Post. Make noise. And look for a Civil Rights attorney who may take this case on pro bono.

You have no case.

Well then you have nothing to be worried about, do you? Know what? Law suits and the threat of law suits get things done, regardless of merit. Why do you think the county stopped pursuing distribution of AH? A law suit, that was without merit and which the county ultimately won, but which wasted 12 million of their dollars.

So you're advocating filing a suit that you know is frivolous? I hope you end up paying fees for APS after someone forwards this thread to Arlington lawyers.

Rule 11. I hoe the county goes after you— hard. Bankrupts you and lets you serve as an example. Since you are so damn ignorant of the law, here:

http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=What+is+Rule+11%3F



PS— if you don’t want a crappy school, don’t buy in a neighborhood with a crappy school, and then hope your school gets rezoned somewhere better. Pay the money for decent school. Like everyone else. “Hey I bought intoa GS 4, and now that my kid is older, I deserve a GS 9” is not a winning argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the big flaw with your plan: The premise of your argument would be that the county is disadvantaging minority students against their will in order to preserve/increase segregation. In so many of the options to give more balanced diversity between the schools, though, it was the minority groups who would have been moved to achieve that diversity who protested the move and wanted to stay in the closer school (for instance, the families in Hall's Hill and the Williamsburg island who didn't want to be bused to Williamsburg rather than going to the closer school with their ES classmates just to make Williamsburg more diverse). So not only would you probably not get those families on board with your lawsuit (since prevailing would mean them having to do something they have very explicitly stated they do not want to do), but it would completely undermine your case that APS offered a more balanced option and the people who supposedly would benefit most from it rejected it in favor of a less balanced option.

But what APS capitulated to was the demands of higher SES families --- so the high school boundaries didn't move Arlington Forest families to Wakefield, and the MS boundaries didn't move Swanson families to Kenmore.

See if they take Lyon Village families out of ASFS. I'm betting no. They don't upset the potential campaign contributors.

So you want to tell the people in the Williamsburg island, who specifically asked to go to Stratford instead because in some cases kids would have had to walk further to their WB bus stop than to Stratford itself, that they can't have that, that they need to be bused to Williamsburg so that diversity will be better at Williamsburg. And you want to tell the community in Hall's Hill that their kids can't go to MS with their ES friends, they instead have to get onto a bus to provide the token minority population in Williamsburg, even though they specifically said they didn't want that. And you want to move Swanson families to Kenmore and then Williamsburg families to Swanson, so that Williamsburg becomes more diverse while Swanson ends up as non-diverse as Williamsburg is current projected to be, but with no excess capacity available for transfers.

I'm curious, in all of this, where are you? Where are your kids slated to go under the revised Option A, and where would you ideally like them to go, and which PUs should be moved in or out of that school to get the demographics you want? How many of the families you're supposedly trying to protect would be forced into something they don't want just so you can get what you do want?

At this point private. The demographics of the overcrowding do not match with our plans. I'm not a Fairfax fan but its not hard to reach a better school district and leave Arlington to the 20 somethings .

Fairfax doesn’t want you. Not as a parent of kids in the school. Not as a neighbors. Maybe try ACPS...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the big flaw with your plan: The premise of your argument would be that the county is disadvantaging minority students against their will in order to preserve/increase segregation. In so many of the options to give more balanced diversity between the schools, though, it was the minority groups who would have been moved to achieve that diversity who protested the move and wanted to stay in the closer school (for instance, the families in Hall's Hill and the Williamsburg island who didn't want to be bused to Williamsburg rather than going to the closer school with their ES classmates just to make Williamsburg more diverse). So not only would you probably not get those families on board with your lawsuit (since prevailing would mean them having to do something they have very explicitly stated they do not want to do), but it would completely undermine your case that APS offered a more balanced option and the people who supposedly would benefit most from it rejected it in favor of a less balanced option.

But what APS capitulated to was the demands of higher SES families --- so the high school boundaries didn't move Arlington Forest families to Wakefield, and the MS boundaries didn't move Swanson families to Kenmore.

See if they take Lyon Village families out of ASFS. I'm betting no. They don't upset the potential campaign contributors.

So you want to tell the people in the Williamsburg island, who specifically asked to go to Stratford instead because in some cases kids would have had to walk further to their WB bus stop than to Stratford itself, that they can't have that, that they need to be bused to Williamsburg so that diversity will be better at Williamsburg. And you want to tell the community in Hall's Hill that their kids can't go to MS with their ES friends, they instead have to get onto a bus to provide the token minority population in Williamsburg, even though they specifically said they didn't want that. And you want to move Swanson families to Kenmore and then Williamsburg families to Swanson, so that Williamsburg becomes more diverse while Swanson ends up as non-diverse as Williamsburg is current projected to be, but with no excess capacity available for transfers.

I'm curious, in all of this, where are you? Where are your kids slated to go under the revised Option A, and where would you ideally like them to go, and which PUs should be moved in or out of that school to get the demographics you want? How many of the families you're supposedly trying to protect would be forced into something they don't want just so you can get what you do want?

At this point private. The demographics of the overcrowding do not match with our plans. I'm not a Fairfax fan but its not hard to reach a better school district and leave Arlington to the 20 somethings .

Fairfax doesn’t want you. Not as a parent of kids in the school. Not as a neighbors. Maybe try ACPS...

LOL. Love when the McLean bitches get worked up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:File as many complaints as you can as soon as you can. Contact the NAACP. Contact Moriah Balingit at the Washington Post. Make noise. And look for a Civil Rights attorney who may take this case on pro bono.

You have no case.

Well then you have nothing to be worried about, do you? Know what? Law suits and the threat of law suits get things done, regardless of merit. Why do you think the county stopped pursuing distribution of AH? A law suit, that was without merit and which the county ultimately won, but which wasted 12 million of their dollars.

So you're advocating filing a suit that you know is frivolous? I hope you end up paying fees for APS after someone forwards this thread to Arlington lawyers.

Rule 11. I hoe the county goes after you— hard. Bankrupts you and lets you serve as an example. Since you are so damn ignorant of the law, here:

http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=What+is+Rule+11%3F



PS— if you don’t want a crappy school, don’t buy in a neighborhood with a crappy school, and then hope your school gets rezoned somewhere better. Pay the money for decent school. Like everyone else. “Hey I bought intoa GS 4, and now that my kid is older, I deserve a GS 9” is not a winning argument.

Looks like the Yorktown Young Republicans have found the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:File as many complaints as you can as soon as you can. Contact the NAACP. Contact Moriah Balingit at the Washington Post. Make noise. And look for a Civil Rights attorney who may take this case on pro bono.

You have no case.

Well then you have nothing to be worried about, do you? Know what? Law suits and the threat of law suits get things done, regardless of merit. Why do you think the county stopped pursuing distribution of AH? A law suit, that was without merit and which the county ultimately won, but which wasted 12 million of their dollars.

So you're advocating filing a suit that you know is frivolous? I hope you end up paying fees for APS after someone forwards this thread to Arlington lawyers.

Rule 11. I hoe the county goes after you— hard. Bankrupts you and lets you serve as an example. Since you are so damn ignorant of the law, here:

http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=What+is+Rule+11%3F



PS— if you don’t want a crappy school, don’t buy in a neighborhood with a crappy school, and then hope your school gets rezoned somewhere better. Pay the money for decent school. Like everyone else. “Hey I bought intoa GS 4, and now that my kid is older, I deserve a GS 9” is not a winning argument.

Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:File as many complaints as you can as soon as you can. Contact the NAACP. Contact Moriah Balingit at the Washington Post. Make noise. And look for a Civil Rights attorney who may take this case on pro bono.

You have no case.

Well then you have nothing to be worried about, do you? Know what? Law suits and the threat of law suits get things done, regardless of merit. Why do you think the county stopped pursuing distribution of AH? A law suit, that was without merit and which the county ultimately won, but which wasted 12 million of their dollars.

So you're advocating filing a suit that you know is frivolous? I hope you end up paying fees for APS after someone forwards this thread to Arlington lawyers.

Rule 11. I hoe the county goes after you— hard. Bankrupts you and lets you serve as an example. Since you are so damn ignorant of the law, here:

http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=What+is+Rule+11%3F



PS— if you don’t want a crappy school, don’t buy in a neighborhood with a crappy school, and then hope your school gets rezoned somewhere better. Pay the money for decent school. Like everyone else. “Hey I bought intoa GS 4, and now that my kid is older, I deserve a GS 9” is not a winning argument.

PS -- if you don't want a crappy school, don't buy in an affordable neighborhood where real estate prices are lower because Virginia is still pretty racist, and then hope your school gets rezoned somewhere better. Pay the money for decent school full of wealthy kids in an expensive neighborhood that is that way because the neighborhoods were relined when originally subdivided and the schools were segregated by law until the 1950's. Like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

DOE is the Department of Energy.

ED is the Department of Education.

Be sure to let Virginia know that: http://www.doe.virginia.gov/

[Anonymous]

This conflict will continue as long as there are the poors. The poors want what everyone wants, only they wont work for it. Instead, the poors demand to be given the things that the rest of us work for.

[Anonymous]

10:41 - well, that argument works when you're talking about AA kids. Doesn't really apply to Hispanic kids. Which are the largest minority in Arlington, and you can generally blame the segregation of them on the county board's decision to continue to put affordable housing into the same areas where there is already a bunch of low-cost market-rate housing.

Then again, I suppose an argument could be made that without VA's racist laws back in the day, more African Americans would have settled in VA vs. MD and then the redlining argument would be more valid.