PARCC Scores for Charters

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Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Growth also matters for students who aren’t (yet) proficient. You want to see students improving — moving from a 1 to 2 or 2 to 3 etc.

Basis’ MS growth scores have never been great - but 2017 is awful. They have also never put any emphasis on PARCC, concentrating on their own comprehensive exams and the APs for high schoolers instead. Wonder if that will change.

-Basis parent of middle and high school student.

They have also had a problem with their middle school English department.

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Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Because if the students are already high when they come to school, what actual learning are they doing if they can't show growth after being at the school. Pretty simple really.

Yeah but you should at least still show incremental growth even ignore you came in with 4s and 5s (which Parcc scores show that is not the case). A student scoring a 450 in math should at least be able to get to 455. The reason Basis is getting 0.3 is because they have many students showing they are getting lower total scores. It’s not all about scoring 1,2,3,4,5.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Because if the students are already high when they come to school, what actual learning are they doing if they can't show growth after being at the school. Pretty simple really.

Yeah but you should at least still show incremental growth even ignore you came in with 4s and 5s (which Parcc scores show that is not the case). A student scoring a 450 in math should at least be able to get to 455. The reason Basis is getting 0.3 is because they have many students showing they are getting lower total scores. It’s not all about scoring 1,2,3,4,5.

For those who care to dive into what the MGP means - here's how it is calculated in all of DC (DCPS and charter schools). https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/DC%20Growth%20Tech%20Report.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Because if the students are already high when they come to school, what actual learning are they doing if they can't show growth after being at the school. Pretty simple really.

Yeah but you should at least still show incremental growth even ignore you came in with 4s and 5s (which Parcc scores show that is not the case). A student scoring a 450 in math should at least be able to get to 455. The reason Basis is getting 0.3 is because they have many students showing they are getting lower total scores. It’s not all about scoring 1,2,3,4,5.

For those who care to dive into what the MGP means - here's how it is calculated in all of DC (DCPS and charter schools). https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/DC%20Growth%20Tech%20Report.pdf

OMG there's math in there. All I wanted to know is, what if students are already higher scoring ie, less room for growth? Already getting 5's? How do they factor this in so it's not hurting that school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Because if the students are already high when they come to school, what actual learning are they doing if they can't show growth after being at the school. Pretty simple really.

Yeah but you should at least still show incremental growth even ignore you came in with 4s and 5s (which Parcc scores show that is not the case). A student scoring a 450 in math should at least be able to get to 455. The reason Basis is getting 0.3 is because they have many students showing they are getting lower total scores. It’s not all about scoring 1,2,3,4,5.

For those who care to dive into what the MGP means - here's how it is calculated in all of DC (DCPS and charter schools). https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/DC%20Growth%20Tech%20Report.pdf

OMG there's math in there. All I wanted to know is, what if students are already higher scoring ie, less room for growth? Already getting 5's? How do they factor this in so it's not hurting that school?

If the 5 scoring kid got an 810 in math year before, they should get an 810 or higher the next year so it's not hurting the school. From looking at Basis' MGP, the 810 student is getting something like 780 the following year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Because if the students are already high when they come to school, what actual learning are they doing if they can't show growth after being at the school. Pretty simple really.

Yeah but you should at least still show incremental growth even ignore you came in with 4s and 5s (which Parcc scores show that is not the case). A student scoring a 450 in math should at least be able to get to 455. The reason Basis is getting 0.3 is because they have many students showing they are getting lower total scores. It’s not all about scoring 1,2,3,4,5.

For those who care to dive into what the MGP means - here's how it is calculated in all of DC (DCPS and charter schools). https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/DC%20Growth%20Tech%20Report.pdf

OMG there's math in there. All I wanted to know is, what if students are already higher scoring ie, less room for growth? Already getting 5's? How do they factor this in so it's not hurting that school?

If the 5 scoring kid got an 810 in math year before, they should get an 810 or higher the next year so it's not hurting the school. From looking at Basis' MGP, the 810 student is getting something like 780 the following year.

I am the BASIS parent who posted above. I don't' really care about the math scores because the PARCC math grade level assessments are not well aligned to the Saxon curriculum -- (the integrated math PARCC tests, given to the high school students is a better fit). The BASIS middle schoolers take the 6th, 7th and 8th grade math tests for PARCC. Which is not at all the work they are doing in class - they are doing algebra, geometry and some are doing pre-calculus.

The ELA is awful. No getting around it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Basis high school tier 1

Basis middle tier 2 - student attrition hurts

Not really. Attrition counts for 10% points for Basis middle. What really hurt them was their very, very poor growth (0.3 score out of 20.0 in ELA and 7.7 out of 20 for math). These are worth 20% each.

Could someone explain this metric to me? I sound dumb, but I don’t really get it or why it’s so important or how BASIS could only get .3 points out of 20!

Because if the students are already high when they come to school, what actual learning are they doing if they can't show growth after being at the school. Pretty simple really.

Yeah but you should at least still show incremental growth even ignore you came in with 4s and 5s (which Parcc scores show that is not the case). A student scoring a 450 in math should at least be able to get to 455. The reason Basis is getting 0.3 is because they have many students showing they are getting lower total scores. It’s not all about scoring 1,2,3,4,5.

For those who care to dive into what the MGP means - here's how it is calculated in all of DC (DCPS and charter schools). https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/DC%20Growth%20Tech%20Report.pdf

OMG there's math in there. All I wanted to know is, what if students are already higher scoring ie, less room for growth? Already getting 5's? How do they factor this in so it's not hurting that school?

If the 5 scoring kid got an 810 in math year before, they should get an 810 or higher the next year so it's not hurting the school. From looking at Basis' MGP, the 810 student is getting something like 780 the following year.

I am the BASIS parent who posted above. I don't' really care about the math scores because the PARCC math grade level assessments are not well aligned to the Saxon curriculum -- (the integrated math PARCC tests, given to the high school students is a better fit). The BASIS middle schoolers take the 6th, 7th and 8th grade math tests for PARCC. Which is not at all the work they are doing in class - they are doing algebra, geometry and some are doing pre-calculus.

The ELA is awful. No getting around it.

So they can pass algebra and geometry but not 6th grade math? Ok.