Possible for Trump to move federal agencies to "flyover country"?

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough ^^

How many overpaid bureaucrats at the Dept. of Ed...Pentagon...Dept. of Energy are qualified to work anywhere else for anywhere near the comp they receive? Most wouldn't have a choice but to take the offer to move.

Not quite. Many retire from civil service then work for the private sector or a lobbing firm for a ton more money. Try again.

So you think they'd quit before their 25 (?) years is up instead of moving?

You can retire after 20 years with full package. 10 years with most of it. I think about 80% of the government could retire right now in some way or another

That's the old Fed retirement system, doesn't work that way anymore with FERS. If you left a federal agency with 20 years of service you'd only have around 22% of your salary in defined benefit, you'd have to rely on your own thrift savings plan for the remainder.

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/new-money/2016/12/9/13881712/move-government-to-midwest?client=safari

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There is a reason they are called flyover states - nobody wants to live there.

And, attitudes like this are what cost Hillary the election......

Yet here you are making the desperate case for bringing jobs, people and money there because it isn't there and nobody wants to generate any of it there.

Face up to it, it's not "attitude" - most people with ambition leave their small town because there isn't enough of a like-minded community of interest to sustain their dreams or draw upon to build their enterprise.

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Anonymous wrote:Not enough ^^

How many overpaid bureaucrats at the Dept. of Ed...Pentagon...Dept. of Energy are qualified to work anywhere else for anywhere near the comp they receive? Most wouldn't have a choice but to take the offer to move.

Not quite. Many retire from civil service then work for the private sector or a lobbing firm for a ton more money. Try again.

So you think they'd quit before their 25 (?) years is up instead of moving?

You can retire after 20 years with full package. 10 years with most of it. I think about 80% of the government could retire right now in some way or another

That's the old Fed retirement system, doesn't work that way anymore with FERS. If you left a federal agency with 20 years of service you'd only have around 22% of your salary in defined benefit, you'd have to rely on your own thrift savings plan for the remainder.

Jesus. The boomers really scammed us hard. How many years to max out now?

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There is a reason they are called flyover states - nobody wants to live there.

And, attitudes like this are what cost Hillary the election......

Yet here you are making the desperate case for bringing jobs, people and money there because it isn't there and nobody wants to generate any of it there.

Face up to it, it's not "attitude" - most people with ambition leave their small town because there isn't enough of a like-minded community of interest to sustain their dreams or draw upon to build their enterprise.

People move to job centers. Tax payers CREATED and SUSTAIN the job center that is DC. It's too vulgar. Needs to drain and disperse and agencies need to represent real America again.

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There is a reason they are called flyover states - nobody wants to live there.

And, attitudes like this are what cost Hillary the election......

Yet here you are making the desperate case for bringing jobs, people and money there because it isn't there and nobody wants to generate any of it there.

Face up to it, it's not "attitude" - most people with ambition leave their small town because there isn't enough of a like-minded community of interest to sustain their dreams or draw upon to build their enterprise.

+1

I am one of them, I got bored with the lets go out and party instead of study and get ready for my future type small town mentality. DC is definately a very different culture, of ambitious, well educated and cultured Americans

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Anonymous wrote:

There is a reason they are called flyover states - nobody wants to live there.

And, attitudes like this are what cost Hillary the election......

Yet here you are making the desperate case for bringing jobs, people and money there because it isn't there and nobody wants to generate any of it there.

Face up to it, it's not "attitude" - most people with ambition leave their small town because there isn't enough of a like-minded community of interest to sustain their dreams or draw upon to build their enterprise.

People move to job centers. Tax payers CREATED and SUSTAIN the job center that is DC. It's too vulgar. Needs to drain and disperse and agencies need to represent real America again.

We do represent America, we come from ALL over AMERICA. A small fractions of jobs in this area are governemnt, and a small fraction of government is in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:With 7 of the 12 richest counties in the US surrounding DC, Trump should work on decentralizing this vulgar concentration of bureaucrat wealth by moving federal agencies to the middle of the country. Example: Dept. of Education to Betsy Devos's hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich. That alone would lock up Michigan as a red state in 2020.

The agencies can slash bloat and wages in the process (lower cost of living in flyover country), it would be a boom for non-coastal economies, and policies would likely better reflect real America versus insulated coastal elite outlook.

or maybe Michigan would become solidly blue, with all these highly educated, liberal leaning fed workers moving to the state.

I assume you are being sarcastic, but the sad truth is that a lot of people in depressed areas in flyover country cannot work for federal agencies not because the agencies are in DC, but because they lack the education. the USPTO has actually opened satellite offices in other areas, and thousands of trademark or patent attorneys telework from anywhere in the US already, but in order to work there you need to be a patent or trademark attorney, not an unemployed coal miner....

The FBI could be moved and plenty of talent could be found. You take one extreme example and paint the rest of the gov. Absurd

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Anonymous wrote:With 7 of the 12 richest counties in the US surrounding DC, Trump should work on decentralizing this vulgar concentration of bureaucrat wealth by moving federal agencies to the middle of the country. Example: Dept. of Education to Betsy Devos's hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich. That alone would lock up Michigan as a red state in 2020.

The agencies can slash bloat and wages in the process (lower cost of living in flyover country), it would be a boom for non-coastal economies, and policies would likely better reflect real America versus insulated coastal elite outlook.

or maybe Michigan would become solidly blue, with all these highly educated, liberal leaning fed workers moving to the state.

I assume you are being sarcastic, but the sad truth is that a lot of people in depressed areas in flyover country cannot work for federal agencies not because the agencies are in DC, but because they lack the education. the USPTO has actually opened satellite offices in other areas, and thousands of trademark or patent attorneys telework from anywhere in the US already, but in order to work there you need to be a patent or trademark attorney, not an unemployed coal miner....

The FBI could be moved and plenty of talent could be found. You take one extreme example and paint the rest of the gov. Absurd

The FBI already has field offices outside of DC. I believe the majority of the government staff - like 85% is already outside of DC

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Anonymous wrote:Every fed on this board bitches and moans about going to the office and that everyone should telework from home because going in in so 1990s. Until the prospect of moving the agencies crops up. Now everyone needs to be together because there is sooooooo much interaction.

I guess telework isn't practical and those of you who do are fleecing the taxpayer and really ought to be canned.

Hot take. +1

So we should be punished with a move to the rust belt? I do not understand the logic. Telework actually does work in many situations. I love it as it is the only day where I can sit and focus on producing work, rather than getting pulled into meetings and having people swing by ask ask questions on stuff (also work, but I also need to do stuff like write and do budgets that requires longer term focus)

Didn't say only the Midwest. Just anywhere but DC-VA. It's a coastal elite echo chamber bubble. People here don't understand what he rest of the country is like. And there's too much tax payer funded wealth concentrated here. It's out of control -- last 20 years especially.

I'm a career fed from the Midwest, I go home to Michigan twice a year to see friends and family. One of the 9 people in my office team is from DC, the rest are like me. We are from all over the country, we understand what the rest of the country is like, and we chose to live here.

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Anonymous wrote:And you wonder why HRC lost Michigan. All those dumb fuck UofM grads. And MSU may not be Ivy, but it graduates some smart people. Chicago and Northwestern are 150 miles away.

God you people are assholes. And oblivious to that fact.

And, it does happen that quite a few of those people who went to the almighty Ivy actually came from the middle.

I'm one of them. But it's still a really stupid idea to move the fed agencies out. Transactions costs on it are huge, you would lose your best employees because we are the ones who would have no trouble finding jobs that allow us to stay where our families are rooted and our spouses are employed. It's nothing but spiteful stupidity.

Agreed. The smartest and best would just find something else to do rather than live on fly over country (many of us fled to D.C. From those shitholes after college). There would not be enough educated or experienced people outside the area to effectively run the government.

Keep in mind. They almost bankrupted the auto industry and made it the rust belt because of their inability to adapt and change to the market needs. Sounds like another kind worse kind of swamp to me.

Lol @ "smartest and best" bureaucrats. If you could do better you'd do better.

You really don't know what you're talking about. A lot of us turn down higher pay private sector jobs because we care about our work and our country. I know that's foreign to you. But it is nonetheless true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every fed on this board bitches and moans about going to the office and that everyone should telework from home because going in in so 1990s. Until the prospect of moving the agencies crops up. Now everyone needs to be together because there is sooooooo much interaction.

I guess telework isn't practical and those of you who do are fleecing the taxpayer and really ought to be canned.

Hot take. +1

So we should be punished with a move to the rust belt? I do not understand the logic. Telework actually does work in many situations. I love it as it is the only day where I can sit and focus on producing work, rather than getting pulled into meetings and having people swing by ask ask questions on stuff (also work, but I also need to do stuff like write and do budgets that requires longer term focus)

Didn't say only the Midwest. Just anywhere but DC-VA. It's a coastal elite echo chamber bubble. People here don't understand what he rest of the country is like. And there's too much tax payer funded wealth concentrated here. It's out of control -- last 20 years especially.

I'm a career fed from the Midwest, I go home to Michigan twice a year to see friends and family. One of the 9 people in my office team is from DC, the rest are like me. We are from all over the country, we understand what the rest of the country is like, and we chose to live here.

This. And it would be a purely symbolic move that would make no difference. Meanwhile you're forcing people to pull their kids out of school, forcing spouses to quit jobs, moving people away from family that have built their lives around their location. For what? Spite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With 7 of the 12 richest counties in the US surrounding DC, Trump should work on decentralizing this vulgar concentration of bureaucrat wealth by moving federal agencies to the middle of the country. Example: Dept. of Education to Betsy Devos's hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich. That alone would lock up Michigan as a red state in 2020.

The agencies can slash bloat and wages in the process (lower cost of living in flyover country), it would be a boom for non-coastal economies, and policies would likely better reflect real America versus insulated coastal elite outlook.

or maybe Michigan would become solidly blue, with all these highly educated, liberal leaning fed workers moving to the state.

I assume you are being sarcastic, but the sad truth is that a lot of people in depressed areas in flyover country cannot work for federal agencies not because the agencies are in DC, but because they lack the education. the USPTO has actually opened satellite offices in other areas, and thousands of trademark or patent attorneys telework from anywhere in the US already, but in order to work there you need to be a patent or trademark attorney, not an unemployed coal miner....

The FBI could be moved and plenty of talent could be found. You take one extreme example and paint the rest of the gov. Absurd

The FBI already has field offices outside of DC. I believe the majority of the government staff - like 85% is already outside of DC

Move the FBI headquarters they are only looking at DMV area. Treasury direct is based in Parkersburg West Virginia Really helps that area

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/digger/wp/2016/10/24/fbi-headquarters-decision-delayed-until-next-year/?client=safari

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With 7 of the 12 richest counties in the US surrounding DC, Trump should work on decentralizing this vulgar concentration of bureaucrat wealth by moving federal agencies to the middle of the country. Example: Dept. of Education to Betsy Devos's hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich. That alone would lock up Michigan as a red state in 2020.

The agencies can slash bloat and wages in the process (lower cost of living in flyover country), it would be a boom for non-coastal economies, and policies would likely better reflect real America versus insulated coastal elite outlook.

or maybe Michigan would become solidly blue, with all these highly educated, liberal leaning fed workers moving to the state.

I assume you are being sarcastic, but the sad truth is that a lot of people in depressed areas in flyover country cannot work for federal agencies not because the agencies are in DC, but because they lack the education. the USPTO has actually opened satellite offices in other areas, and thousands of trademark or patent attorneys telework from anywhere in the US already, but in order to work there you need to be a patent or trademark attorney, not an unemployed coal miner....

The FBI could be moved and plenty of talent could be found. You take one extreme example and paint the rest of the gov. Absurd

The FBI already has field offices outside of DC. I believe the majority of the government staff - like 85% is already outside of DC

Move the FBI headquarters they are only looking at DMV area. Treasury direct is based in Parkersburg West Virginia Really helps that area

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/digger/wp/2016/10/24/fbi-headquarters-decision-delayed-until-next-year/?client=safari

The Bureau of the Fiscal Service, which runs Treasury Direct, is based in Washington DC. They have one of their 5 regional centers in Parkersburg, WV. This is the exact same DC headquarters and regional field structure that most of the rest of the government has, including th FBI. Moving headquarters outside of DC makes no sense for organizational purposes, but of course they should have field offices, like they do right now.

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Anonymous wrote:A better question would be why the people in Michigan, etc. feel they are "entitled" to Federal jobs. The D.C. area has an educated workforce. Federal careers aren't a welfare program. Any attempt to redistribute our Fed agencies should be called out as a redistribution of wealth.

The federal "swamp" built this. This place was a dump 25 years ago. Now it's just vulgar compared to the rest of the country. 7 of the richest dozen counties! No wonder all the agencies are out of touch and useless.

If Michigan became part of Canada know one would care.

haha - though I think all of the blue states would rather annex with Canada and let the red welfare states survive on their own.

Speak for yourself. I'm always a Michigander at heart even if I don't live there anymore, and if any annexing is going to happen it will be the US annexing Canada. We've had a plan since HS for this. We'd simply march in during the Stanley Cup Finals when all of Canada is drunk and otherwise occupied. It would be quite peaceful, actually For obvious reasons, we may leave Quebec alone.