Heroin epidemic?

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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.

Middle class whites are lazy, entitled, and poorly raised. The self indulgence revealed by the heroin epidemic is just a symptom of the general lack of values that exists among whites who think the world should be theirs because they are white. To hear some of these losers crying that they should be able to afford a house, car, two kids, and stay at home wife on a plumber's job without bothering to work for a degree makes me want to barf. Their parents coasted on white privilege and now that the kids have to put in a little work, they turn to drugs because work ethic was never part of the culture.
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Anonymous wrote:I have a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach every time I think about this. In some rural communities, it is so widespread - think of all the children of these addicts. What is their future? We desperately need to do something about this problem, but what?

It seems not to be so simple as educating doctors (so that they don't over-prescribe opioids as pain meds). So what next?


Wow - it's almost like we need a war on drugs/crime, except it's fashionable right now to hate the war on drugs/crime.

It's in fashion to promote legalizing more and more types of drugs, and throw open the doors of our prisons so convicted criminals can be free to victimize the innocent. And vote - we need more criminals voting in our elections.

What is happening in America is total insanity.


What's your solution?


I would begin by NOT releasing the types of convicted felons who the administration continues to release. Look at the list published n the WaPo earlier this week: most of them are repeat offenders; all were dealing drugs and most were selling meth, crack, or heroin - these are experienced career drug traffickers.

It's insanity to release them during a heroin epidemic.


Drug dealers do not make people take drugs. People will do ANYTHING to get high. Sniff paint, huff endust, ingalr paint thinner, glue, smoke potpourri (yes even that). Your suggestion is old ass uneffective Regan era failed policies. We did that. It didnt work. It will never work. Must be nice to live in a black and white world and posess no ability to problem solve outside of the box.

We have a mental health crisis you dingus. We have a jobs crisis. Taking away a small fraction of drug dealers out there will notnsolve our jobs problem and will not solve the mental health problems.


You know what did work? The Nancy Reagan just say no campaign.

I was born in the early 70s and was a tween when Just say No, This is your brain on drugs, etc was in its heyday.

I grew up in one of those poor, trailer park, working class, high drug use areas. Very few of my peers, a year or two up and a year or two down used drugs, even pot, even those in thedemographic that would usually use drugs. When I went to college, there was not much drug use and many people did not even touch the stuff. When I talk with adults of all walks of life born around my age, +/- a year or two, their experience was similar to mine, very little drug use. My slightly older and slightly younger siblings and their peers have very different experiences.

I think there is a sweet spot where kids are just the right age to receive that simple message and have it stick. It worked for most of the people I know who were born right around the same time as I was.


I also have a niece who has gotten into heroin. She is sober now. Her gateway into drugs was prescription drugs to treat adhd and anxiety, then drugs to counterbalance side effects from those drugs, then bigger prescriptions and drug combinations, and eventually after starting adhd meds as a young kid ending up suicidal as a teen and eventually fighting drugaddiction as an adult.

When we medicate our kids for everything from a young age then medicate them more to balance side effects from the drugs then keep increasing dosages as one thing after another wears off, how can we be surprised when they turn to bigger highs as adults?


Maybe a better approach would be to let our children take into their bodies whatever addictive drugs the kids want. Just legalize everything? But that's probably fit for a S/O thread . . .
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.

Middle class whites are lazy, entitled, and poorly raised. The self indulgence revealed by the heroin epidemic is just a symptom of the general lack of values that exists among whites who think the world should be theirs because they are white. To hear some of these losers crying that they should be able to afford a house, car, two kids, and stay at home wife on a plumber's job without bothering to work for a degree makes me want to barf. Their parents coasted on white privilege and now that the kids have to put in a little work, they turn to drugs because work ethic was never part of the culture.


DAMN

Sadly, I can't disagree with this logic when looking at my relatives and people I knew from high school.

-Middle Class White Guy
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.


Crack cocaine got as much attention in thr 80s and 90s as heroine is getting today. I grew up in DC and it was a huge issue with a lot of coverage. It was a low class thing and it got huge coverage. Nancy regan anyone?

You are very naive. Yes prople go straight from rx opiats when that dries up to heroine and skip the pot and all that BS. Times have changed granny.


Heroine? Regan? Opiats?

Public education has apparently not changed, however.
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.


Crack cocaine got as much attention in thr 80s and 90s as heroine is getting today. I grew up in DC and it was a huge issue with a lot of coverage. It was a low class thing and it got huge coverage. Nancy regan anyone?

You are very naive. Yes prople go straight from rx opiats when that dries up to heroine and skip the pot and all that BS. Times have changed granny.


Heroine? Regan? Opiats?

Public education has apparently not changed, however.


Would you be surprised to learn that as recently as 2009, D.C.'s rate of adult illiteracy was 36% ? It is still that high in some wards.
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.

Middle class whites are lazy, entitled, and poorly raised. The self indulgence revealed by the heroin epidemic is just a symptom of the general lack of values that exists among whites who think the world should be theirs because they are white. To hear some of these losers crying that they should be able to afford a house, car, two kids, and stay at home wife on a plumber's job without bothering to work for a degree makes me want to barf. Their parents coasted on white privilege and now that the kids have to put in a little work, they turn to drugs because work ethic was never part of the culture.


I grew up in the rust belt and go back there all the time now and this is sadly true. A good dose of old fashioned Asian values and work ethic could be helpful. Flame me all you want -- it's true.
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.

Middle class whites are lazy, entitled, and poorly raised. The self indulgence revealed by the heroin epidemic is just a symptom of the general lack of values that exists among whites who think the world should be theirs because they are white. To hear some of these losers crying that they should be able to afford a house, car, two kids, and stay at home wife on a plumber's job without bothering to work for a degree makes me want to barf. Their parents coasted on white privilege and now that the kids have to put in a little work, they turn to drugs because work ethic was never part of the culture.


You just described the Trump voting bloc. This should be an ad!
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.


Crack cocaine got as much attention in thr 80s and 90s as heroine is getting today. I grew up in DC and it was a huge issue with a lot of coverage. It was a low class thing and it got huge coverage. Nancy regan anyone?

You are very naive. Yes prople go straight from rx opiats when that dries up to heroine and skip the pot and all that BS. Times have changed granny.


Heroine? Regan? Opiats?

Public education has apparently not changed, however.


Would you be surprised to learn that as recently as 2009, D.C.'s rate of adult illiteracy was 36% ? It is still that high in some wards.


Post links. I cannot find that info.
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.


Crack cocaine got as much attention in thr 80s and 90s as heroine is getting today. I grew up in DC and it was a huge issue with a lot of coverage. It was a low class thing and it got huge coverage. Nancy regan anyone?

You are very naive. Yes prople go straight from rx opiats when that dries up to heroine and skip the pot and all that BS. Times have changed granny.


Heroine? Regan? Opiats?

Public education has apparently not changed, however.


Would you be surprised to learn that as recently as 2009, D.C.'s rate of adult illiteracy was 36% ? It is still that high in some wards.


Post links. I cannot find that info.


AU seems to have wiped their website of the data! ( http://www.american.edu/ocl/volunteer/Community-Service-Center-Maps-and-Stats.cfm ).

But they previously stated on that website:


Highest Illiteracy Rates By Ward

The below information breaks down the illiteracy rates by ward. For more information on wards go here

•Ward 7 50.4%
•Ward 8 48.9%
• Ward 5 48.2%
•Ward 1 43.6%
•Ward 4 42.2%
•Ward 6 37.3%
•Ward 2 20.8%
• Ward 3 8.2%


Let me see if I can find the other deleted demographic data.
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Here is another:

http://www.gwhatchet.com/2007/04/23/d-c-literacy-rates-low-but-combated-by-programs/

The 36% rate at that time is indesputable.

Gentrification has helped push many illiterates out of DC's immediate boundaries by pricing them out of the housing market.
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Anonymous wrote:Why and what is this heroin epidemic? Is it only getting so much attention because it's afflicting middle class white people? How do so many people just start using heroin? Growing up in the 80's/90's, heroin was considered to be like crack and really hard core. I couldn't imagine middle class kids (of any race) doing it.


Crack cocaine got as much attention in thr 80s and 90s as heroine is getting today. I grew up in DC and it was a huge issue with a lot of coverage. It was a low class thing and it got huge coverage. Nancy regan anyone?

You are very naive. Yes prople go straight from rx opiats when that dries up to heroine and skip the pot and all that BS. Times have changed granny.


Heroine? Regan? Opiats?

Public education has apparently not changed, however.


Would you be surprised to learn that as recently as 2009, D.C.'s rate of adult illiteracy was 36% ? It is still that high in some wards.


Post links. I cannot find that info.


AU seems to have wiped their website of the data! ( http://www.american.edu/ocl/volunteer/Community-Service-Center-Maps-and-Stats.cfm ).

But they previously stated on that website:


Highest Illiteracy Rates By Ward

The below information breaks down the illiteracy rates by ward. For more information on wards go here

•Ward 7 50.4%
•Ward 8 48.9%
• Ward 5 48.2%
•Ward 1 43.6%
•Ward 4 42.2%
•Ward 6 37.3%
•Ward 2 20.8%
• Ward 3 8.2%


Let me see if I can find the other deleted demographic data.


I think y'all are getting off track - the topic is heroin.
Here let me help you since y'all like graphs and data so much...I got this off the CDC website
http://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/heroin/


Check out the chart on the left where it says RACE/ETHNICITY
You see where it says the % Change for Non-Hispanic white? Yeah...114%
Dayum!! Talk about stupid.


Ahhight y'all can get back to that other illiteracy crap you were excitedly talking about earlier.
Sorry for the interruption.
Anonymous
Heroin legalization is not the answer.
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Many of these white folks were previously quietly addicted to prescription drugs, which seems to escape many people's radar as a serious drug additiction problem.
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I read this this entire story that a PP posted:

http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2015/A-Mothers-Heartbreak-Heroins-Toll-in-Montgomery-County/index.php?cparticle=5&siarticle=4#artanc

As the mother of a former heroin addict I found the story incredibly frustrating. I did not see evidence in the story that any of them practiced hyper warrior momism with their kids. To save your child you need to pursue this as zealously as Demeter pursued Persephone to pull her out of Hades.

My child freely acknowledges that it was I through my unrelenting efforts who pulled her out of her addiction. Of course DC had to do the hard work of at home detox, going to countless NA meetings, etc. but none of this would have happened had I not been doing huge amounts of research and putting effective steps in place, as well as having enough flexibility to deal with new circumstances.

An addict does not have to hit rock bottom to be helped. In fact the farther from rock bottom the greater the chances for success. He does not have to want treatment for treatment to be effective (court ordered rehab is as effective as voluntary rehab). Tough love often is not effective and many times results in the kids being on the street where their chances for recovery are very low. Thinking that parking them in rehab will take care of problem is wistful thinking. The about dealing with the problem many parents believe really get in the way of their saving their children from this scourge.

I shudder when I think of the approaches I was using until my child OD'ed (saved by Narcan). Had I kept it up I am not sure my child would be alive today.
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Anonymous wrote:I read this this entire story that a PP posted:

http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2015/A-Mothers-Heartbreak-Heroins-Toll-in-Montgomery-County/index.php?cparticle=5&siarticle=4#artanc

As the mother of a former heroin addict I found the story incredibly frustrating. I did not see evidence in the story that any of them practiced hyper warrior momism with their kids. To save your child you need to pursue this as zealously as Demeter pursued Persephone to pull her out of Hades.

My child freely acknowledges that it was I through my unrelenting efforts who pulled her out of her addiction. Of course DC had to do the hard work of at home detox, going to countless NA meetings, etc. but none of this would have happened had I not been doing huge amounts of research and putting effective steps in place, as well as having enough flexibility to deal with new circumstances.

An addict does not have to hit rock bottom to be helped. In fact the farther from rock bottom the greater the chances for success. He does not have to want treatment for treatment to be effective (court ordered rehab is as effective as voluntary rehab). Tough love often is not effective and many times results in the kids being on the street where their chances for recovery are very low. Thinking that parking them in rehab will take care of problem is wistful thinking. The about dealing with the problem many parents believe really get in the way of their saving their children from this scourge.

I shudder when I think of the approaches I was using until my child OD'ed (saved by Narcan). Had I kept it up I am not sure my child would be alive today.


Wow - that is a very moving article (thanks for that). Thanks also for sharing your personal experience; I wish you and your child the best of luck on your journey to recovery.
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