Do Muslims, Jews and Christians worship the same God?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

They were all Zoroastrianist. Everybody is still one, you just dont know it yet

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

They were all Zoroastrianist. Everybody is still one, you just dont know it yet

Proof?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

They were all Zoroastrianist. Everybody is still one, you just dont know it yet

Proof?

Since when is proof needed in religious matters?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Atheist here. This thread is hilarious. Can't you all see the ridiculousness of arguing which is the "right" God to follow!?! Most of you believe in a single God, therefore, according to your belief systems, there can only be one God. Each belief system teaches different things about this God and insists that only this system is correct....all others are wrong. The only evidence for what any of these "holy books" teach is that someone thousands of years ago said it was so, and this got passed down to the next generations. All of you believe what you do only because your parents said so. We're all adults now. Think with your own minds. I can accept the belief in a higher being, though personally I find that belief illogical, however, following ancient "holy books", in this day and age, with all of the information available to us, is incomprehensible to me.

Wow! PP! I never, ever, thought about any of your points before! Ever! In my whole life! It's like... a fog has been lifted! Thank you so much! Your brilliance has saved me from decades of further miserable religion-following! Thank you sooooo much! Now that you have gained a loyal convert, you can probably safely leave this thread and go back to watching Netflix and/or masturbating.

Lol. Thumbs up, PP!

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The nice thing about being a Sikh is that I know that there is one God, and God is revealed differently to different people. There is no one "true" path to God.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

I should add that a significant number of what would become Muslims in a North Africa were Christians.

There were many Christians and Jews throughout the Middle East, but in Arabia the majority were Semitic pagans. Because of Persian influence, there also were Zoroastrians in Arabia, and the Quran considers them people of the book, along with Christians and Jews. The Christians in Arabia were largely Monophysites or Nestorians and Mohammed, who was a trader, was said to be influenced from his early years by a Nestorian monk named Bahira.

Mecca, where Muhammed grew up, was literally a Mecca of paganism: it hosted an annual pilgrimage with the Ka'aba and various statues of gods at its center, most likely with roots as a fertility/rain ritual during which a large trade fair took place. There were also poetry contests, and the poems recited there live on until this day as classic works of literature. The Meccans were not terribly receptive to Muhammed's message as they were quick to see that the monotheism he preached would undermine the pagan pilgrimage that was at the heart of their wealth.

There is no evidence that Muhammed had early contact with Judaism until the Hijra to Medina, where there was a community of Jews. However, many consider the influence of Judaism, particularly Rabbinical Judaism, upon Islam to be substantial. After a lot of back and forth and various battles in which Muhammed and his followers gained territory, he set out to conquer Mecca. There, he performed the pilgrimage, eliminating in the rituals some of the most pagan elements and commanded his followers to make the pilgrimage if they could. At this point, the Meccans, weakened by Muhammed's forays but knowing their pilgrimage was saved, capitulated to the the Muslims.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

They weren't Muslims! Arabs were largely Monotheists who believed in the desert God of Abraham or Polytheists.

I should add that a significant number of what would become Muslims in a North Africa were Christians.

There were many Christians and Jews throughout the Middle East, but in Arabia the majority were Semitic pagans. Because of Persian influence, there also were Zoroastrians in Arabia, and the Quran considers them people of the book, along with Christians and Jews. The Christians in Arabia were largely Monophysites or Nestorians and Mohammed, who was a trader, was said to be influenced from his early years by a Nestorian monk named Bahira.

Mecca, where Muhammed grew up, was literally a Mecca of paganism: it hosted an annual pilgrimage with the Ka'aba and various statues of gods at its center, most likely with roots as a fertility/rain ritual during which a large trade fair took place. There were also poetry contests, and the poems recited there live on until this day as classic works of literature. The Meccans were not terribly receptive to Muhammed's message as they were quick to see that the monotheism he preached would undermine the pagan pilgrimage that was at the heart of their wealth.

There is no evidence that Muhammed had early contact with Judaism until the Hijra to Medina, where there was a community of Jews. However, many consider the influence of Judaism, particularly Rabbinical Judaism, upon Islam to be substantial. After a lot of back and forth and various battles in which Muhammed and his followers gained territory, he set out to conquer Mecca. There, he performed the pilgrimage, eliminating in the rituals some of the most pagan elements and commanded his followers to make the pilgrimage if they could. At this point, the Meccans, weakened by Muhammed's forays but knowing their pilgrimage was saved, capitulated to the the Muslims.

Thanks PP. I learned this in a college history class on the Middle East, but would never have had the time to type it out here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

Abraham was the first Jew -- the founder of Judaism, as Mohammed was the found of Islam. Abraham was born a pagan (or polytheist or whatever) but as an adult was contacted by G-d, who told him to stop worshiping false gods and follow him only. Which he did, and his family. That's why people refer to the Jewish G-d as the G-d of Abraham.

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Anonymous wrote:Atheist here. This thread is hilarious. Can't you all see the ridiculousness of arguing which is the "right" God to follow!?! Most of you believe in a single God, therefore, according to your belief systems, there can only be one God. Each belief system teaches different things about this God and insists that only this system is correct....all others are wrong. The only evidence for what any of these "holy books" teach is that someone thousands of years ago said it was so, and this got passed down to the next generations. All of you believe what you do only because your parents said so. We're all adults now. Think with your own minds. I can accept the belief in a higher being, though personally I find that belief illogical, however, following ancient "holy books", in this day and age, with all of the information available to us, is incomprehensible to me.

Wow! PP! I never, ever, thought about any of your points before! Ever! In my whole life! It's like... a fog has been lifted! Thank you so much! Your brilliance has saved me from decades of further miserable religion-following! Thank you sooooo much! Now that you have gained a loyal convert, you can probably safely leave this thread and go back to watching Netflix and/or masturbating.

Lol. Thumbs up, PP!

Better that the pp who suggests masturbation on a thread about God should leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

Abraham was the first Jew -- the founder of Judaism, as Mohammed was the found of Islam. Abraham was born a pagan (or polytheist or whatever) but as an adult was contacted by G-d, who told him to stop worshiping false gods and follow him only. Which he did, and his family. That's why people refer to the Jewish G-d as the G-d of Abraham.

And his son Ishmael didn't become Jewish?

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Yes, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't Muslims make more of the fact that their religion comes from Judaism? Christians often say that Jesus was Jewish.

Because their religion doesn't come from Judaism.

Abraham was not Jewish. More like pre-Jewish.

Interesting. I always thought Abraham was Jewish. I know that Jews did not convert to being Muslims (the way Jews converted to Christianity), so what were the Muslims from Abraham to the 7th century?

Abraham was the first Jew -- the founder of Judaism, as Mohammed was the found of Islam. Abraham was born a pagan (or polytheist or whatever) but as an adult was contacted by G-d, who told him to stop worshiping false gods and follow him only. Which he did, and his family. That's why people refer to the Jewish G-d as the G-d of Abraham.

And his son Ishmael didn't become Jewish?

No. His son Isaac did, but Ishmael was the son of Abraham and his concubine, Hagar, and nowhere in the Torah does it say Hagar was Jewish. In fact it implies she lived differently and brought Ishmael up differently, and Abraham sent them both away when Isaac was a child.

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Anonymous wrote:Atheist here. This thread is hilarious. Can't you all see the ridiculousness of arguing which is the "right" God to follow!?! Most of you believe in a single God, therefore, according to your belief systems, there can only be one God. Each belief system teaches different things about this God and insists that only this system is correct....all others are wrong. The only evidence for what any of these "holy books" teach is that someone thousands of years ago said it was so, and this got passed down to the next generations. All of you believe what you do only because your parents said so. We're all adults now. Think with your own minds. I can accept the belief in a higher being, though personally I find that belief illogical, however, following ancient "holy books", in this day and age, with all of the information available to us, is incomprehensible to me.

Atheism teaches the same. It is the point of belief. Everyone believes he or she is correct, and others are not. Including you

--your fellow atheist, sort of

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Anonymous wrote:I believe everybody worships the same god and that god reveals himself differently to different people"

Why would God do that? Do you believe He's schizophrenic? And why would He reveal Himself in so many vastly different ways? Seems odd to come to earth and live as a man named Jesus Christ and die a horrific death to save mankind from its sins and say this Jesus is the only way to know Him, and then reveal Himself to other people with an entirely different name as a God that forbids you to believe in that other God named Jesus that he told some people to believe in, and to tell a bunch of other people to disregard the first two Gods but follow a bunch of rules specific only to them to earn His favor, and then reveal himself to others as a kind of universal hazy nature spirit who's in the trees and animals and wants you to blow smoke rings in circles at night, and then reveal to himself as another God who's really a whole bunch of purple and blue gods with lots more names that look like elephants and have lots of arms and tell you to look inside yourself to find him there.

Serioulsy. Can those of you who believe in the many pathways to God make any sense of this way of thinking at all? I certainly can't.

LOL, no, I don't. I think people might be though. In a manner of speaking.

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I'm a muslim. I was always taught that Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the same God which is why the Quran refers to Jews and Christians as the "People of the Book" in the sense that before Muhammad, Moses and Jesus provided the earlier versions of the word of God.

The only difference is Christians believe Jesus is the "son" of this God and Islam says that God is a very different entity than us and thus has no biological offspring nor wife.