Mad Men finale! (Spoilers, of course)

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Anonymous wrote:The ending for Sally was the only one that I didn't like - she went from charting her own path and weaving out of her mother's iron thumb, to being tied down by having to leave school, give up her europe plans, take care of her brothers, etc., all at age 16 ... It makes Betty's final words to her in her letter even sadder, because he life may not be an adventure. However, it does link to a few episodes ago when Don told Sally that she didn't understand the value of a dollar (when he wanted her to sell her field hockey equipment) - she certainly won't be a spoiled girl any longer. This one stung for me because I am about Sally's age and my mother also died when I was late teens (a little older than Sally is) - I have a nice life, but my mother's death when I was young did change both my then immediate life and the direction of my life.

The ending for Sally made me sad, but also in a way made me feel more sympathy toward Betty. In Sally, we saw a girl with spirit, fighting to get away from an oppressive childhood who was almost there (Madrid), and then saw it all slip through her fingers when her mother gets sick and she returns home to care for her mother and brothers. To me, that final scene with Sally and Betty suggested that Sally will end up not unlike Betty, a dissatisfied housewife and mother who perhaps was never well-suited to either role. Which makes me wonder who Betty might have been if she'd had the freedom (actual or emotional) that Sally almost had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly off topic. Mad Men is usually very meticulous on period details, but did I see Post-It notes on Joan's calendar in her final scene in her dining room/home office? That can't be right? The debuted many years later.

Post it's came out in the 70s, late 70s, but at least the decade is correct.

I thought they were just colorful paper squares. Maybe Joan invented Post It Notes!!!

[Anonymous]

11:22 here. I've dubbed the Stan-Peggy ending "When Stan Met Peggy."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ending for Sally was the only one that I didn't like - she went from charting her own path and weaving out of her mother's iron thumb, to being tied down by having to leave school, give up her europe plans, take care of her brothers, etc., all at age 16 ... It makes Betty's final words to her in her letter even sadder, because he life may not be an adventure. However, it does link to a few episodes ago when Don told Sally that she didn't understand the value of a dollar (when he wanted her to sell her field hockey equipment) - she certainly won't be a spoiled girl any longer. This one stung for me because I am about Sally's age and my mother also died when I was late teens (a little older than Sally is) - I have a nice life, but my mother's death when I was young did change both my then immediate life and the direction of my life.

The ending for Sally made me sad, but also in a way made me feel more sympathy toward Betty. In Sally, we saw a girl with spirit, fighting to get away from an oppressive childhood who was almost there (Madrid), and then saw it all slip through her fingers when her mother gets sick and she returns home to care for her mother and brothers. To me, that final scene with Sally and Betty suggested that Sally will end up not unlike Betty, a dissatisfied housewife and mother who perhaps was never well-suited to either role. Which makes me wonder who Betty might have been if she'd had the freedom (actual or emotional) that Sally almost had.

Nash. Sally knows the boys need to be with Henry and maintain normalcy. She'll set that up. Betty told us Sally will have a life of adventure. She will. Henry will marry again.

[Anonymous]

Dear god people, stop predicting what's going to happen to fictional characters. Kiernan Shipka is going to be very much OK, that I can assure you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ending for Sally was the only one that I didn't like - she went from charting her own path and weaving out of her mother's iron thumb, to being tied down by having to leave school, give up her europe plans, take care of her brothers, etc., all at age 16 ... It makes Betty's final words to her in her letter even sadder, because he life may not be an adventure. However, it does link to a few episodes ago when Don told Sally that she didn't understand the value of a dollar (when he wanted her to sell her field hockey equipment) - she certainly won't be a spoiled girl any longer. This one stung for me because I am about Sally's age and my mother also died when I was late teens (a little older than Sally is) - I have a nice life, but my mother's death when I was young did change both my then immediate life and the direction of my life.

The ending for Sally made me sad, but also in a way made me feel more sympathy toward Betty. In Sally, we saw a girl with spirit, fighting to get away from an oppressive childhood who was almost there (Madrid), and then saw it all slip through her fingers when her mother gets sick and she returns home to care for her mother and brothers. To me, that final scene with Sally and Betty suggested that Sally will end up not unlike Betty, a dissatisfied housewife and mother who perhaps was never well-suited to either role. Which makes me wonder who Betty might have been if she'd had the freedom (actual or emotional) that Sally almost had.

Nash. Sally knows the boys need to be with Henry and maintain normalcy. She'll set that up. Betty told us Sally will have a life of adventure. She will. Henry will marry again.

I think Betty told us she hopes Sally will have a life of adventure, what she wanted but didn't quite get to have. I would like to Sally would actually get one, but I don't think that's certain. Henry was a mess about Betty's illness, I don't know that he'll be able to provide a stable home for the boys, at least not right away, and Sally might end up stepping in to help.

[Anonymous]

^^ Betty told Don the boys will go to their aunt and uncle, not be with Henry. Sally will be free!

[Anonymous]

I was Sally 35 years ago. She will be okay. This experience will mature her, but she'll have many adventures in adulthood, I'm sure.

[Anonymous]

Then what was the point of the Sally/Betty scene at the end? We know Weiner doesn't put things in the show for no reason, but it sounds like most people don't give it any value?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then what was the point of the Sally/Betty scene at the end? We know Weiner doesn't put things in the show for no reason, but it sounds like most people don't give it any value?

I thought it was sad and powerful. Even as she is dying, Betty just can't break out of the mold/world she knows. She could have asked Sally to sit with her, talk, maybe should could have helped Sally with the dishes. But she sat there smoking in silence. She is probably igving her the cold shoulder for telling Don in the first place. This is how she often reacts when Sally is out of line. Sally is probably feeling confused and guilty and wanting to do the right thing but no idea what that means. I do think Don comes back and is in the kids lives but no more so than he is now, so just weekends or holidays.. and honestly, I think he and Sally are pretty close in their own "friend" way and they respect each other. Sally understands Don's limitations as well as he does. Even Sally knows the boys don't belong with Don which is why she wants don to convince Henry to take them so they can maintain some stability. That is saying a lot about her expectations of her dad. At least those two are honest with each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear god people, stop predicting what's going to happen to fictional characters. Kiernan Shipka is going to be very much OK, that I can assure you.

GO AWAY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then what was the point of the Sally/Betty scene at the end? We know Weiner doesn't put things in the show for no reason, but it sounds like most people don't give it any value?

I thought it was sad and powerful. Even as she is dying, Betty just can't break out of the mold/world she knows. She could have asked Sally to sit with her, talk, maybe should could have helped Sally with the dishes. But she sat there smoking in silence. She is probably igving her the cold shoulder for telling Don in the first place. This is how she often reacts when Sally is out of line. Sally is probably feeling confused and guilty and wanting to do the right thing but no idea what that means. I do think Don comes back and is in the kids lives but no more so than he is now, so just weekends or holidays.. and honestly, I think he and Sally are pretty close in their own "friend" way and they respect each other. Sally understands Don's limitations as well as he does. Even Sally knows the boys don't belong with Don which is why she wants don to convince Henry to take them so they can maintain some stability. That is saying a lot about her expectations of her dad. At least those two are honest with each other.

And I want to add that I don't think sallys life is over. She may not go to Madrid now but I do think Don will encourage her to get out in the world so she doesn't end up like Betty. I don't think Don would ever let her become a housewife too young or drop out of college.

[Anonymous]

Agree that this is just a blip for Sally. She won't be another Betty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then what was the point of the Sally/Betty scene at the end? We know Weiner doesn't put things in the show for no reason, but it sounds like most people don't give it any value?

I thought it was sad and powerful. Even as she is dying, Betty just can't break out of the mold/world she knows. She could have asked Sally to sit with her, talk, maybe should could have helped Sally with the dishes. But she sat there smoking in silence. She is probably igving her the cold shoulder for telling Don in the first place. This is how she often reacts when Sally is out of line. Sally is probably feeling confused and guilty and wanting to do the right thing but no idea what that means. I do think Don comes back and is in the kids lives but no more so than he is now, so just weekends or holidays.. and honestly, I think he and Sally are pretty close in their own "friend" way and they respect each other. Sally understands Don's limitations as well as he does. Even Sally knows the boys don't belong with Don which is why she wants don to convince Henry to take them so they can maintain some stability. That is saying a lot about her expectations of her dad. At least those two are honest with each other.

Okay, this I can accept. You changed my mind.

When has anyone ever said that on DCUM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear god people, stop predicting what's going to happen to fictional characters. Kiernan Shipka is going to be very much OK, that I can assure you.

The whole thug is about fictional characters. Why are you reading this?