We need to stop saying MCPS is one of the best school systems in the country

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We can only afford to buy a house under 500k, and one of our goals is to try to find a neighborhood where we can actually speak English as a first or second language with our neighbors. The LOL poster must not go across Rockville Pike to points east very much.

Hint: counties where it is difficult to find a well-located house for less than $500,000 are unlikely to be high-poverty counties.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to compare it with more affluent areas, then yes, it can't compete because there are lots of people that are low income in MCPS, and higher test scores usually = higher SES.

A good way to gauge how good the schools are is to look at the scores of the FARMS kids. This will tell you how effective the teachers are. Also, look at the types of programs that the schools offer.

I come from the SF Bay Area. There are school districts there that have really high test scores, but a lot of those schools are high SES and some are over 50% Asian. The school districts have huge budget shortfalls and very little in programs that they offer, and parents shell out $ for extras like music, art and library. In CA, most of the budget for schools is controlled at the state level.

So, MCPS, while not the "best" district in the country, is still one of the better ones.

I am not ASIAN, but I detest that stereotype. Being of some Asian decent does not make you a genius. Asia is a big continent, lots countries and cultures. UGH.....
Just because you think it is a positive stereotype, does not mean it is NOT a stereotype, JUST.STOP. It's dehumanizing and lazy and stupid.

I'm the PP, and I'm Asian. Sorry if that stereotype bothers you so much, but in general, yes, where you have a huge Asian population, the schools generally have a higher test score. I can name you at least 5 of such HS in MD and CA where this is true. In MCPS, that would be Wootton. In almost every MCPS HS, if you look at the test scores broken down by race, Asians usually test very high. Stereotypes come from somewhere, not just thin air.

Not just because of Asians. What a long/tough journey for Asians to come this land ! You can't just walk cross the boarder, so those Asians who made the trip here were tough minded and very competitive Asians. I believe there a lot not so smart and competitive Asians back in Asia.

This has to be a sick joke
If not you are one stupid m*****f***

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are trying to compare it with more affluent areas, then yes, it can't compete because there are lots of people that are low income in MCPS, and higher test scores usually = higher SES.

A good way to gauge how good the schools are is to look at the scores of the FARMS kids. This will tell you how effective the teachers are. Also, look at the types of programs that the schools offer.

I come from the SF Bay Area. There are school districts there that have really high test scores, but a lot of those schools are high SES and some are over 50% Asian. The school districts have huge budget shortfalls and very little in programs that they offer, and parents shell out $ for extras like music, art and library. In CA, most of the budget for schools is controlled at the state level.

So, MCPS, while not the "best" district in the country, is still one of the better ones.

I am not ASIAN, but I detest that stereotype. Being of some Asian decent does not make you a genius. Asia is a big continent, lots countries and cultures. UGH.....
Just because you think it is a positive stereotype, does not mean it is NOT a stereotype, JUST.STOP. It's dehumanizing and lazy and stupid.

I'm the PP, and I'm Asian. Sorry if that stereotype bothers you so much, but in general, yes, where you have a huge Asian population, the schools generally have a higher test score. I can name you at least 5 of such HS in MD and CA where this is true. In MCPS, that would be Wootton. In almost every MCPS HS, if you look at the test scores broken down by race, Asians usually test very high. Stereotypes come from somewhere, not just thin air.

Not just because of Asians. What a long/tough journey for Asians to come this land ! You can't just walk cross the boarder, so those Asians who made the trip here were tough minded and very competitive Asians. I believe there a lot not so smart and competitive Asians back in Asia.

This has to be a sick joke
If not you are one stupid m*****f***

Get a life, these Asians won't compete your jobs (whatever you may be able to do).

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Montgomery Ciunty Maryland has one of the highest concentrations of students from poor and uneducated families? LOL.

No other county in the Washington region, including the District of Columbia, experienced increases in poverty of the same magnitude during the late 2000s as MoCo.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/the-avenue/posts/2013/05/22-suburban-poverty-kneebone-berube

Data Point: In the three years between 2007 and 2010, Montgomery County shed more than 37,000 jobs, dropping below its 2000 jobs total by 2010.
At the same time that the county faced unprecedented economic challenges, it also experienced a rapid demographic transformation. The 2010 census revealed that, for the first time, non-Hispanic whites constituted less than half (49 percent) of the county’s residents, down from 73 percent two decades earlier. And while immigrants accounted for fewer than one in five residents in 1990, in 2010 they represented almost one-third of the population and almost 40 percent of poor residents.

Data Point: Between 2007 and 2010, the number of residents living below the federal poverty line grew by two-thirds, or more than 30,000 people, pushing the poverty rate up by nearly 3 percentage points.
Rapid increases in poverty, coupled with the shifting demographics, often left communities in suburban Montgomery County struggling to play catch-up without the resources to match the growing and changing needs of their residents.

We can only afford to buy a house under 500k, and one of our goals is to try to find a neighborhood where we can actually speak English as a first or second language with our neighbors. The LOL poster must not go across Rockville Pike to points east very much.

Try Silver Spring.

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I'm the PP, and I'm Asian. Sorry if that stereotype bothers you so much, but in general, yes, where you have a huge Asian population, the schools generally have a higher test score. I can name you at least 5 of such HS in MD and CA where this is true. In MCPS, that would be Wootton. In almost every MCPS HS, if you look at the test scores broken down by race, Asians usually test very high. Stereotypes come from somewhere, not just thin air.

Stereotypes in the US often originate from the local news media, ridiculous sit-coms, and ignorant people who feed into stereotypes as you do.

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Stereotypes in the US often originate from the local news media, ridiculous sit-coms, and ignorant people who feed into stereotypes as you do.

I am in a high SES family and I get so tired of the stereotype constantly repeated on DCUM that we do better academically. Lots high SES students have poor academics.

Just because its a "positive" stereotype doesn't mean that its accurate and not dehumanizing and stupid.

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Me love you long time

[Anonymous]

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Stereotypes in the US often originate from the local news media, ridiculous sit-coms, and ignorant people who feed into stereotypes as you do.

I am in a high SES family and I get so tired of the stereotype constantly repeated on DCUM that we do better academically. Lots high SES students have poor academics.

Just because its a "positive" stereotype doesn't mean that its accurate and not dehumanizing and stupid.

It's not a stereotype, it's a well-documented FACT that high SES students outperform low SES students.

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High outperforms low? But your logic makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like it
Works for us
I do not care how it is 'touted'
I do not base my expectations or life on comparisons
I prefer personal experience

Did MCPS teach you how to write?

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Anonymous wrote:It has one of the highest concentrations of affluent education parents in the country, so of course it will score well. That really doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the district itself, though.

It also has one of the highest concentrations of student from poor, uneducated, illiterate illegal aliens and single parent black communities, whom mostly score poorly.

Most of the budget, that doesn't go towards pension and benefits, goes toward the problem schools. Well performing schools nickel and dime the parents and even have foundations for donations. MCPS doesnt like this workaround, tho parents are paying thru high taxes and donations, thus demand 10%+ of any donation to a well functioning high school go to a poorly performing high school.

I'd tend to agree with OP. Would love to see a 10 year simulation model of what happens to this over capacitated, over taxed, over extended huge school district. Its trajectory is more of a basket case charity experiment than its former teach to potential and excel model. And then there's the curriculum 2.0 and myopic achievement gap focus.

Montgomery Ciunty Maryland has one of the highest concentrations of students from poor and uneducated families? LOL.

No other county in the Washington region, including the District of Columbia, experienced increases in poverty of the same magnitude during the late 2000s as MoCo.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/the-avenue/posts/2013/05/22-suburban-poverty-kneebone-berube

Data Point: In the three years between 2007 and 2010, Montgomery County shed more than 37,000 jobs, dropping below its 2000 jobs total by 2010.
At the same time that the county faced unprecedented economic challenges, it also experienced a rapid demographic transformation. The 2010 census revealed that, for the first time, non-Hispanic whites constituted less than half (49 percent) of the county’s residents, down from 73 percent two decades earlier. And while immigrants accounted for fewer than one in five residents in 1990, in 2010 they represented almost one-third of the population and almost 40 percent of poor residents.

Data Point: Between 2007 and 2010, the number of residents living below the federal poverty line grew by two-thirds, or more than 30,000 people, pushing the poverty rate up by nearly 3 percentage points.
Rapid increases in poverty, coupled with the shifting demographics, often left communities in suburban Montgomery County struggling to play catch-up without the resources to match the growing and changing needs of their residents.

Where are they moving and living in MOCO? PGCO also has a growing illegal undocumented population. If you go on the VA forum, there's a long thread about the decline of FCPS.

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No other county in the Washington region, including the District of Columbia, experienced increases in poverty of the same magnitude during the late 2000s as MoCo.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/the-avenue/posts/2013/05/22-suburban-poverty-kneebone-berube

Data Point: In the three years between 2007 and 2010, Montgomery County shed more than 37,000 jobs, dropping below its 2000 jobs total by 2010.
At the same time that the county faced unprecedented economic challenges, it also experienced a rapid demographic transformation. The 2010 census revealed that, for the first time, non-Hispanic whites constituted less than half (49 percent) of the county’s residents, down from 73 percent two decades earlier. And while immigrants accounted for fewer than one in five residents in 1990, in 2010 they represented almost one-third of the population and almost 40 percent of poor residents.

Data Point: Between 2007 and 2010, the number of residents living below the federal poverty line grew by two-thirds, or more than 30,000 people, pushing the poverty rate up by nearly 3 percentage points.
Rapid increases in poverty, coupled with the shifting demographics, often left communities in suburban Montgomery County struggling to play catch-up without the resources to match the growing and changing needs of their residents.

Thank you.

This is the main issue with MCPS. May not be PC to say it but I have no doubt.

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Thank you.

This is the main issue with MCPS. May not be PC to say it but I have no doubt.

What do you expect MCPS to do about undocumented immigration? MCPS specifically. Not any other level of government. Specifically MCPS.

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Thank you.

This is the main issue with MCPS. May not be PC to say it but I have no doubt.

What do you expect MCPS to do about undocumented immigration? MCPS specifically. Not any other level of government. Specifically MCPS.

I honestly don't think there's anything MCPS can do. MCPS's job is not enforce or take side (whether to support or against) on immigration policy. Its job is simple - educate the MCPS kids. And from social justice standpoint, it may be the right thing to do - supporting kids and families who want to have a better life here. But regardless of whether you support the undocumented immigrants or not, you can't deny the impacts it has on the school system. W schools are always protected thanks to people with money and influence... Really smart kids are somewhat protected as long as MCPS continues to fund magnets. For the rest of us, well, I don't know...

[Anonymous]

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Thank you.

This is the main issue with MCPS. May not be PC to say it but I have no doubt.

What do you expect MCPS to do about undocumented immigration? MCPS specifically. Not any other level of government. Specifically MCPS.

I honestly don't think there's anything MCPS can do. MCPS's job is not enforce or take side (whether to support or against) on immigration policy. Its job is simple - educate the MCPS kids. And from social justice standpoint, it may be the right thing to do - supporting kids and families who want to have a better life here. But regardless of whether you support the undocumented immigrants or not, you can't deny the impacts it has on the school system. W schools are always protected thanks to people with money and influence... Really smart kids are somewhat protected as long as MCPS continues to fund magnets. For the rest of us, well, I don't know...

NP here. I wonder about the bolded above, whether that can remain the case into the future, particularly as the newer arrivals gain an increasing share of the **local** political pie. See, for example, local districts in California and Florida and Prince Georges County, Md.

For the moment, it is of course anathema to even say aloud words like "choice" and "buses" and "lottery." If demographic trends cited in that Brookings PP continue (and they certainly will), eastern MoCo will increasingly elect their preferred candidates on both the County council and the School Board. It is no stretch to predict that those elected officials will be less dedicated to preserving the current super-strong geographic attendance model that ensures the present two-tier school system.