Emory is getting an ebola patient - if you work in a hospital

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that CDC is voluntarily bringing two ebola patients into the country is insane to me.

The fact that I can do nothing to stop it, or even show my displeasure in any meaningful way, is also frightening.

Leave them where they are - I have yet to find a good explanation of the risk - benefit analysis that makes sense (other than the patriotic but not particularly rational 'they are American and deserve to be at home.' Their desserts do not trump the safety of everyone on the continent).


Your purportedly one-sided risk/benefit analysis does not take into account the realities of the risk, which is relatively small for a non-airborne hemorraghic fever that kills as quickly as Ebola does. The risk of some sort of uncontrolled and widespread outbreak based on one patient crossing the border is basically nil.


I don't think that this will turn into the Black Death Mark 2, no, but I do think there is a chance some people in Atlanta area (probably other health workers) will get infected. No protocol is perfect. I don't see the point of risking this at all for no benefit - the only rationale that would make sense to me is that they want to study this in live patients under controlled conditions ebcause arrival of Ebola in this country via some sick passenger who doesn't know he is sick is inevitable and they want to get a head start. But then I am not sure why they aren't quarantining anyone coming from that part of the world as a matter of course, in the first place.


Or they might want to study this in live patients so that they can develop life saving techniques to be used in Africa where the disease is killing people.

Do the lives of non-Americans really matter to you so little that you can't imagine that someone else would care about them?


Lives of people in other countries matter less to me than those of people in this country, just as lives of family members matter more than lives of strangers. I don’t particularly want anyone to die, but if I had to rank a hierarchy of importance, I’d have one. More importantly, I think this country (and the Western world) only really started paying attention to this when it became clear that there was a chance this could spread beyond West Africa – before, it was barely a blip in the news. So I think nobody would approve a transfer of ebola patients to this country if the only people affected were rural West Africans with no possibility of spread – countries are also ‘selfish’ that way. And that’s fine with me – I’d hope the government of this country would be more concerned with the lives and well-being of its own citizens than citizens of other countries thousands of miles away.

P.S. I am a naturalized citizen. When I lived in the country of my birth, I did not expect America to care for me or to put my well-being above its own citizens – why would I? Just as I don’t expect the Canadian or Austrian government to puts my well-being above that of its citizens now. It would just not make sense.


I won't argue your feelings on this matter, only point out that the people being brought to the US are American citizens. The act of allowing them back in the country IS the government being concerned with the lives and well being of its own citizens.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fact that CDC is voluntarily bringing two ebola patients into the country is insane to me.

The fact that I can do nothing to stop it, or even show my displeasure in any meaningful way, is also frightening.

Leave them where they are - I have yet to find a good explanation of the risk - benefit analysis that makes sense (other than the patriotic but not particularly rational 'they are American and deserve to be at home.' Their desserts do not trump the safety of everyone on the continent).


The CDC is looking for a research project.


That's what I think too. Good luck to them in finding a vaccine or a cure! Hopefully it will take less long than it did with AIDS.


There's a cure and a vaccine for AIDS? Or do you mean it's still taking a very long time?


The latter. Though at least now they have medicine to keep you alive, which is more than one can say for Ebola.


There isn't a vaccine for HIV because it mutates quickly.
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They say this isolation unit is specially designed but what of the waste from the showers,sinks and toilets where does that waste go? There is bodily fluids there also. Does all that go into the city's sewage system? sounds scary to me
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Despite public concern over bringing in Ebola patients, the CDC's Frieden said the United States may see a few isolated cases in people who have been traveling but did not expect widespread Ebola in the country.
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This is going to come off as incredibly callous and I'm sorry about that, but I'm genuinely curious about whether this dude's health insurance is picking up the tab? The cost for care has to be in the tens of thousands per day--never mind the expense of a double-isolation helicopter, ambulance, etc. Or does the CDC cover the cost (via the US taxpayers, I guess?) because they offered to take the case? Some insurers would probably balk at covering something like this, although it would probably be a legal nightmare in light of the public nature of the case. I understand an insurer's obligation to provide medical care for citizens who incur injury while traveling abroad, but it seems nuts to voluntarily enter a high-risk, disease-ridden area and contract a deadly illness and then put everyone else on the hook for your care.
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You are all fucking morons. This isn't a movie. It doesn't spread easily at all. It isn't going to spread. The guy is an American and his company paid for him to come home to get care in a place that is more than capable of dealing with it. Everything else is just you idiots wanting to make a movie out of nothing. I really fear for this country that so many people can't figure the facts out.
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Anonymous wrote:Why are Americans in Africa working with Ebola patients to begin with?? There are so many Americans without decent acces to healthcare. Bring all of or doctors home and have them volunteer in the US!!


I really, really hope I don't know you.[/quote]

I second that (agree with the bolding). The initial statement is so idiotic.
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Anonymous wrote:Yikes! Scary. 90% death rate. They should just stay where they are.


Yes. I got this weird pit in my stomach when I read the story - like I was reading the beginning of something horrible. I could see if we had a treatment that could only be done here. But there is no treatment, there is no vaccine. Why risk infecting so many new people (the plane, getting them off the plane, people at the hospital). All it takes is one hospital worker to bring it home and we have an epidemic here.



You said it far nicer than I ever would.

My thought is who the hell is the dumbass who approved this insanely idiotic plan?


I was dumbstruck when I read that they were bringing the two Ebola patients to Atlanta. Why would they bring Ebola here? I wonder if they had to clear it with Obama first.
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Anonymous wrote:They say this isolation unit is specially designed but what of the waste from the showers,sinks and toilets where does that waste go? There is bodily fluids there also. Does all that go into the city's sewage system? sounds scary to me


I assume the water will be treated. Forty percent bleach probably. When I worked in a BL3 lab that's what we did.
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Anonymous wrote:You are all fucking morons. This isn't a movie. It doesn't spread easily at all. It isn't going to spread. The guy is an American and his company paid for him to come home to get care in a place that is more than capable of dealing with it. Everything else is just you idiots wanting to make a movie out of nothing. I really fear for this country that so many people can't figure the facts out.


+1000
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They say this isolation unit is specially designed but what of the waste from the showers,sinks and toilets where does that waste go? There is bodily fluids there also. Does all that go into the city's sewage system? sounds scary to me


I assume the water will be treated. Forty percent bleach probably. When I worked in a BL3 lab that's what we did.


One if the articles said there is a separate infrastructure. I'm sure the sewer is handled separately. Maybe they incinerate the waste.
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Anonymous wrote:This is going to come off as incredibly callous and I'm sorry about that, but I'm genuinely curious about whether this dude's health insurance is picking up the tab? The cost for care has to be in the tens of thousands per day--never mind the expense of a double-isolation helicopter, ambulance, etc. Or does the CDC cover the cost (via the US taxpayers, I guess?) because they offered to take the case? Some insurers would probably balk at covering something like this, although it would probably be a legal nightmare in light of the public nature of the case. I understand an insurer's obligation to provide medical care for citizens who incur injury while traveling abroad, but it seems nuts to voluntarily enter a high-risk, disease-ridden area and contract a deadly illness and then put everyone else on the hook for your care.


His care is being funded by the charitable organization that sent him to Africa in the first place.
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According to the latest news, the patient is showing some improvement. Hopefully his transport here has improved his care.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the latest news, the patient is showing some improvement. Hopefully his transport here has improved his care.


He got serum from a recovered patient, I think.
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Anonymous wrote:Yikes! Scary. 90% death rate. They should just stay where they are.


Yes. I got this weird pit in my stomach when I read the story - like I was reading the beginning of something horrible. I could see if we had a treatment that could only be done here. But there is no treatment, there is no vaccine. Why risk infecting so many new people (the plane, getting them off the plane, people at the hospital). All it takes is one hospital worker to bring it home and we have an epidemic here.



You said it far nicer than I ever would.

My thought is who the hell is the dumbass who approved this insanely idiotic plan?


I was dumbstruck when I read that they were bringing the two Ebola patients to Atlanta. Why would they bring Ebola here? I wonder if they had to clear it with Obama first.


There is no cure, but there is indeed treatment; and they are able to treat patients here, in non-overwhelmed health care settings, than in the location they were evacuated from.

Treatment is supportive care -- blood transfusions, assistance with breathing (respirators), and dialysis if needed.
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