Attorney Moms-I need your help to see if I'm underpaid-from another JD Mom

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but eventually....it will increase....thought 14's made more..

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yes I work full time. Work about 60 hours a week from home and about 12 from the office. I work so much more at home than at the office that in a way I want to go back to an office setting but my commute is long and would have added expenses. The government is taking advantage of technology and trying to avoid high cost leases. Also, people are more likely to stay at these jobs and low turnover means a lot of savings in training. Now that they have a hiring freeze they need to keep the good people happy. However, working from home means always being available in order to avoid anyone questioning your work hours. To me this means working very long hours.... yet I have never missed a deadline.

You are doing this wrong.

No one expects you to work this much (are you working a 12 hour day one day a week in the office??) regardless of where you are doing the work.

Your hours are 8-4:30. Or 9-5:30. Pick your TOD and that's it. You can only earn 3 credit hours a workday, so I'm not even sure how you are reporting this time.

Does management frown on 12 hour/day time entries?

I can't enter 12 hours on my fed job time sheet. Only my regular 8 and up to 3 credit hours on a workday or 8 credit hours on a non workday. We use an online time sheet and it won't accept additional hours.

Are you on a work plan that limits your hours in that way? What is the difference between entering 8 hours with 3 credit hours vs 11 hours (if your online time sheet allowed it)?

I can't enter 11 regular hours. It would reject the time sheet with errors. Not a particular work plan...just a standard 8.5 hour tour of duty and procedures at my agency say you can't earn more than 3 credit hours on a workday. If I tried to enter more the system would reject my time sheet. You are not technically allowed to work additional hours because that would be uncompensated work time.

Are you the op? Are you saying you are uncompensated for some of the time you work? And I presume you work those extra uncompensated hours to maintain your quota?

I believe it is called voluntary overtime in white collar sweatshops.

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Anonymous wrote:I am always amazed at how much attorneys feel they should be paid.

AMEN!

Why? Do you feel that way about investment bankers and professional athletes, too, or do they contribute more to society than attorneys do?

I've never heard these groups claim (as a group) they are owed more. JDs think they are owed six figures by passing the bar. Attorneys who are truly contributing to the betterment society are not making 160k out of law school, nor do they expect it. They do it because they love the job, not because they were sold on a dream of making money.

Nobody goes into law for the money. My dad, himself an attorney, told me that in the 1980s. For 7 years of post high school education, I certainly do not think six figures is overpaying lawyers ( I made $68,000 salary during my first year as a practicing attorney). The reason attorneys feel they should be paid a lot is based on the market.

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Anonymous wrote:I am always amazed at how much attorneys feel they should be paid.

AMEN!

Why? Do you feel that way about investment bankers and professional athletes, too, or do they contribute more to society than attorneys do?

I've never heard these groups claim (as a group) they are owed more. JDs think they are owed six figures by passing the bar. Attorneys who are truly contributing to the betterment society are not making 160k out of law school, nor do they expect it. They do it because they love the job, not because they were sold on a dream of making money.

Nobody goes into law for the money. My dad, himself an attorney, told me that in the 1980s. For 7 years of post high school education, I certainly do not think six figures is overpaying lawyers ( I made $68,000 salary during my first year as a practicing attorney). The reason attorneys feel they should be paid a lot is based on the market.

Of course they do! I've worked with a number of lawyers who hate their jobs and hate the work. They wanted money. By the way, the still market sucks, so the feeling of being owed a certain level of salary should be gone by now.

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Anonymous wrote:OP keep dreaming. You have it good, much better than most govt attorneys.

THIS.

OP is delusional. Yes, you can earn much, much more -- but at a much greater cost. Meaning, no cush government job (and, yes, they are cush jobs because you never have thr threat of a gauntlet hanging over your head like you do in biglaw. Big $$ comes with big stress.

Please leave your job, OP. I am sure the next person will appreciate how good you have it ($100k work from home with tenure!!!).
Geez.

+1. Of course you'll get paid more in the private sector but at a law firm, you'll work way more and with more stress and less of it from home. Enjoy what you've got because you have it good.

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Anonymous wrote:I am always amazed at how much attorneys feel they should be paid.

AMEN!

Why? Do you feel that way about investment bankers and professional athletes, too, or do they contribute more to society than attorneys do?

I've never heard these groups claim (as a group) they are owed more. JDs think they are owed six figures by passing the bar. Attorneys who are truly contributing to the betterment society are not making 160k out of law school, nor do they expect it. They do it because they love the job, not because they were sold on a dream of making money.

Nobody goes into law for the money. My dad, himself an attorney, told me that in the 1980s. For 7 years of post high school education, I certainly do not think six figures is overpaying lawyers ( I made $68,000 salary during my first year as a practicing attorney). The reason attorneys feel they should be paid a lot is based on the market.

Of course they do! I've worked with a number of lawyers who hate their jobs and hate the work. They wanted money. By the way, the still market sucks, so the feeling of being owed a certain level of salary should be gone by now.

But so many other jobs pay more with fewer hours required. Medical sales.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yes I work full time. Work about 60 hours a week from home and about 12 from the office. I work so much more at home than at the office that in a way I want to go back to an office setting but my commute is long and would have added expenses. The government is taking advantage of technology and trying to avoid high cost leases. Also, people are more likely to stay at these jobs and low turnover means a lot of savings in training. Now that they have a hiring freeze they need to keep the good people happy. However, working from home means always being available in order to avoid anyone questioning your work hours. To me this means working very long hours.... yet I have never missed a deadline.

You are doing this wrong.

No one expects you to work this much (are you working a 12 hour day one day a week in the office??) regardless of where you are doing the work.

Your hours are 8-4:30. Or 9-5:30. Pick your TOD and that's it. You can only earn 3 credit hours a workday, so I'm not even sure how you are reporting this time.

Does management frown on 12 hour/day time entries?

I can't enter 12 hours on my fed job time sheet. Only my regular 8 and up to 3 credit hours on a workday or 8 credit hours on a non workday. We use an online time sheet and it won't accept additional hours.

Are you on a work plan that limits your hours in that way? What is the difference between entering 8 hours with 3 credit hours vs 11 hours (if your online time sheet allowed it)?

I can't enter 11 regular hours. It would reject the time sheet with errors. Not a particular work plan...just a standard 8.5 hour tour of duty and procedures at my agency say you can't earn more than 3 credit hours on a workday. If I tried to enter more the system would reject my time sheet. You are not technically allowed to work additional hours because that would be uncompensated work time.

Are you the op? Are you saying you are uncompensated for some of the time you work? And I presume you work those extra uncompensated hours to maintain your quota?

No, I'm the one who said she was doing it wrong in regards to her hours and asked her how she's even reporting working 12 hour days as it is not permitted at my agency.