Have you all read this editorial about Common Core testing?

Anonymous
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I can't believe you are so gullible as to believe all the tests will be rigorously vetted. Pearson will write them, and they'll get a rubber stamp.


No, Pearson and ETS will write them; and they will be field tested this spring, as I posted earlier on the thread. Many schools will participate, each school just taking one small part of the test. In addition, ANY schools may participate in the practice test. There will be plenty of feedback. Many states will be participating in ths process. If they don't like PARCC, there's always the other test -- I think it s called SMART. So there's competition .. we aren't stuck with PARCC if we don't like what they come up with.
Anonymous

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/nyc-department-of-educati_n_1975276.html


William Gotsch, a fourth-grade teacher at Madrid-Waddington Central School in Madrid, N.Y., is urging the state to revisit its new education standards, after determining that the common core sample math question on the Education Department’s website are too difficult for fourth graders, the Watertown Daily Times reports.

New York is one of 46 states and the District of Columbia to adopt the Common Core State Standards, a set of national guidelines aimed at teaching a narrower spectrum of subjects but in greater depth. The standards also require teaching some concepts in earlier grades than they were previously taught — a stipulation that has proved challenging for teachers transitioning to the Common Core.

According to Gotsch, fourth graders will be expected to form algebraic equations from multi-step problems and calculate geometric angles at a level “too high for fourth-graders to complete,” the Watertown Daily Times reports.

“I had an advanced eighth-grade student take the test. The student could not get through the first two questions,” Gotsch told the paper.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:

Common Core Curriculum for 1st Grade:

Here are the 81 things the state says first-graders will be able to do after taking the Early World Civilizations unit.



There is no Common Core Early World Civilizations unit.

Common Core objectives are in math and language arts, only. There are no history objectives.

I am not sure what those objectives are you posted. Are they from NY State? I agree people in NY state have reason to be concerned, if those are objectives the state is requiring in grade 1! But again, they are NOT common core objectives. Please be clear about that.

The unit looks daunting for first grade, although I would be thrilled to have my child learn about ancient Mesopotamia in a general way in grade 1.





It's an ELA unit.

http://www.engageny.org/resource/grade-1-ela-domain-4-early-world-civilizations

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't believe you are so gullible as to believe all the tests will be rigorously vetted. Pearson will write them, and they'll get a rubber stamp.


No, Pearson and ETS will write them; and they will be field tested this spring, as I posted earlier on the thread. Many schools will participate, each school just taking one small part of the test. In addition, ANY schools may participate in the practice test. There will be plenty of feedback. Many states will be participating in ths process. If they don't like PARCC, there's always the other test -- I think it s called SMART. So there's competition .. we aren't stuck with PARCC if we don't like what they come up with.


Already plenty of feedback. Parents, students and teachers HATE THE COMMON CORE!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: Kids are hating school, begging not to go, saying they are dumb. I'm hearing it from friends all around me.

If only we could go back in time to pre-common core times! You know, those halcyon days when every single kid across America would wake up bright and early just so happy they were going to school. When no kid would ever beg not to go to school and kds had no idea that school could be something that is hated. Where no kid ever thought they were dumb.

Common core, what have you done to our kids these last past two years?!?!? No parent ever had these problems with their kids before.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Common Core Curriculum for 1st Grade:

Here are the 81 things the state says first-graders will be able to do after taking the Early World Civilizations unit.



There is no Common Core Early World Civilizations unit.

Common Core objectives are in math and language arts, only. There are no history objectives.

I am not sure what those objectives are you posted. Are they from NY State? I agree people in NY state have reason to be concerned, if those are objectives the state is requiring in grade 1! But again, they are NOT common core objectives. Please be clear about that.

The unit looks daunting for first grade, although I would be thrilled to have my child learn about ancient Mesopotamia in a general way in grade 1.





It's an ELA unit.

http://www.engageny.org/resource/grade-1-ela-domain-4-early-world-civilizations





It is a New York State ELA unit, that lists History and Geography objectives that must be specific to New York State, because they are most definitely NOT Common Core objectives.

Got it? NOT COMMON CORE. So if you object to these objectives for NY state students -- you need to complain to NY State Department of Ed. Not to, or about, Common Core.

They actually remind me of Virginia's Standards of Learning objectives in Social Studies. I remember when they first came out and people thought kindergarteners couldn't learn the names and locations of the continents. Turned out, they could and they did!

I'd be thrilled to have so much content taught to my kids in early elementary school. However, if Pearson took THOSE objectives, and tested kids on them in first grade, I can see why the tests were too hard for them. You guys in NYS have I believe a legitimate complaint to your Dept of Ed. I would take it up with them.

But don't confuse those objectives with Common Core.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't believe you are so gullible as to believe all the tests will be rigorously vetted. Pearson will write them, and they'll get a rubber stamp.


No, Pearson and ETS will write them; and they will be field tested this spring, as I posted earlier on the thread. Many schools will participate, each school just taking one small part of the test. In addition, ANY schools may participate in the practice test. There will be plenty of feedback. Many states will be participating in ths process. If they don't like PARCC, there's always the other test -- I think it s called SMART. So there's competition .. we aren't stuck with PARCC if we don't like what they come up with.


Already plenty of feedback. Parents, students and teachers HATE THE COMMON CORE!


No, apparently you hate the New York State curriculum, and the NY State test.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Common core is why this dual working, liberal, absolutely NOT crunchy family is considering homeschool options.


Really? Why? It doesn't sound like you've given this any critical thought or actually done any research. CC is a good thing. This is an area where parents push, push, push for more academic challenge earlier. That's exactly what CC does. Do you think it's too academic or something? I guess if you worry your kids can't keep up, I could see you pulling out and slowing them down academically with homeschooling. But on the whole, I think kids can handle the rigor.


Wow, you're a dick. It doesn't sound like you give ANYTHING much critical thought if you make such startling presumptions based on one sentence in an anonymous thread. Good luck with your own rational thinking skills - sounds like you are the one who cannot keep up.


My wish for you is that choke on your own bile and die.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't believe you are so gullible as to believe all the tests will be rigorously vetted. Pearson will write them, and they'll get a rubber stamp.


No, Pearson and ETS will write them; and they will be field tested this spring, as I posted earlier on the thread. Many schools will participate, each school just taking one small part of the test. In addition, ANY schools may participate in the practice test. There will be plenty of feedback. Many states will be participating in ths process. If they don't like PARCC, there's always the other test -- I think it s called SMART. So there's competition .. we aren't stuck with PARCC if we don't like what they come up with.


Already plenty of feedback. Parents, students and teachers HATE THE COMMON CORE!


No, apparently you hate the New York State curriculum, and the NY State test.


Which will be everyone's test next year.

Again 3 states have launched Common Core testing. With EXACTLY the same results. And once the rest of the states jump off the cliff next year, those states will also have the same dismal testing results.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Common Core Curriculum for 1st Grade:

Here are the 81 things the state says first-graders will be able to do after taking the Early World Civilizations unit.



There is no Common Core Early World Civilizations unit.

Common Core objectives are in math and language arts, only. There are no history objectives.

I am not sure what those objectives are you posted. Are they from NY State? I agree people in NY state have reason to be concerned, if those are objectives the state is requiring in grade 1! But again, they are NOT common core objectives. Please be clear about that.

The unit looks daunting for first grade, although I would be thrilled to have my child learn about ancient Mesopotamia in a general way in grade 1.





It's an ELA unit.

http://www.engageny.org/resource/grade-1-ela-domain-4-early-world-civilizations





It is a New York State ELA unit, that lists History and Geography objectives that must be specific to New York State, because they are most definitely NOT Common Core objectives.

Got it? NOT COMMON CORE. So if you object to these objectives for NY state students -- you need to complain to NY State Department of Ed. Not to, or about, Common Core.

They actually remind me of Virginia's Standards of Learning objectives in Social Studies. I remember when they first came out and people thought kindergarteners couldn't learn the names and locations of the continents. Turned out, they could and they did!

I'd be thrilled to have so much content taught to my kids in early elementary school. However, if Pearson took THOSE objectives, and tested kids on them in first grade, I can see why the tests were too hard for them. You guys in NYS have I believe a legitimate complaint to your Dept of Ed. I would take it up with them.

But don't confuse those objectives with Common Core.




My friends first-grade is also being subjected to this same curriculum. They live in Minnesota. He runs out of the room crying when she tries to talk to him about it. He's overwhelmed. The pace is very fast. They have 10 units just like that to cover.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can't believe you are so gullible as to believe all the tests will be rigorously vetted. Pearson will write them, and they'll get a rubber stamp.


No, Pearson and ETS will write them; and they will be field tested this spring, as I posted earlier on the thread. Many schools will participate, each school just taking one small part of the test. In addition, ANY schools may participate in the practice test. There will be plenty of feedback. Many states will be participating in ths process. If they don't like PARCC, there's always the other test -- I think it s called SMART. So there's competition .. we aren't stuck with PARCC if we don't like what they come up with.


Already plenty of feedback. Parents, students and teachers HATE THE COMMON CORE!


No, apparently you hate the New York State curriculum, and the NY State test.


Which will be everyone's test next year.

Again 3 states have launched Common Core testing. With EXACTLY the same results. And once the rest of the states jump off the cliff next year, those states will also have the same dismal testing results.



No, you are completely incorrect.

Look back at that NYState curriculum document you linked to. The actual Common Core standards are listed on the left hand side of each page. That ginormous list of objectives? That is specific to NYState. They may have hired Pearson to write a test to measure their own objectives, don't know. But the PARCC test will be measuring Common Core objectives, only.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

My friends first-grade is also being subjected to this same curriculum. They live in Minnesota. He runs out of the room crying when she tries to talk to him about it. He's overwhelmed. The pace is very fast. They have 10 units just like that to cover.


Is he having trouble in reading, or in math?

Minnesota has only adopted the language arts part of Common Core this year.
Get this -- they thought that MATH Common Core was too WEAK, so they are using their own math standards for now.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/06/07/education/common-core-standards
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

My friends first-grade is also being subjected to this same curriculum. They live in Minnesota. He runs out of the room crying when she tries to talk to him about it. He's overwhelmed. The pace is very fast. They have 10 units just like that to cover.


Is he having trouble in reading, or in math?

Minnesota has only adopted the language arts part of Common Core this year.
Get this -- they thought that MATH Common Core was too WEAK, so they are using their own math standards for now.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/06/07/education/common-core-standards


RIGOROUS MATH STANDARDS

In 2008, Minnesota adopted a more rigorous set of standards that laid out what math skills students should master every year from kindergarten to 12th grade.

When state was given the choice of signing on to the new Common Core, teachers and officials at the state Department of Education agreed that the state's own standards were best.


Math standards

The decision was made by Cassellius's predecessor, Alice Seagren and then Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a Republican. But Cassellius supports the move.

Cassellius said Minnesota's math standards are more challenging than those in the Common Core - and that the homegrown standards require deeper knowledge of math concepts, and mandates that students master them earlier than the national standards require.

For example, Minnesota students are required to finish Algebra I by 8th grade and Algebra II by 10th grade, something the Common Core does not mandate.It can mean more time in the classroom to achieve that mastery. Some students, however, may need more time in the classroom to meet the new state standards.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Kids are hating school, begging not to go, saying they are dumb. I'm hearing it from friends all around me.

If only we could go back in time to pre-common core times! You know, those halcyon days when every single kid across America would wake up bright and early just so happy they were going to school. When no kid would ever beg not to go to school and kds had no idea that school could be something that is hated. Where no kid ever thought they were dumb.

Common core, what have you done to our kids these last past two years?!?!? No parent ever had these problems with their kids before.


Nice try. But these are kids -- and parents -- who liked school and whose children were doing well. Now their kids come home, humiliated and frustrated. I have one friend whose afraid her son is going to drop out he hates school so much. He tells her over and over again: "I'm dumb." I have another whose older two kids are doing great with it, but whose youngest can't fathom the way he is being taught. He's failing every test. I have another whose child -- a previous A student -- failed the NY test. So ALL her electives were stripped from her, and she spends every hour being grilled on the Common Core standards.

Still want to keep defending it?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

My friends first-grade is also being subjected to this same curriculum. They live in Minnesota. He runs out of the room crying when she tries to talk to him about it. He's overwhelmed. The pace is very fast. They have 10 units just like that to cover.


Is he having trouble in reading, or in math?

Minnesota has only adopted the language arts part of Common Core this year.
Get this -- they thought that MATH Common Core was too WEAK, so they are using their own math standards for now.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/06/07/education/common-core-standards


As I said, reading. It's an ELA Curriculum.

Common Core is weak in math in a lot of ways. Instead of focusing on the basics, it has students regrouping and explaining and analyzing. Not doing, you know, actual math problems. It's incredibly confusing for students because it's so wordy and confusing.

It an effort to be "deep" -- it's just talky and confusing and turning kids around the country off math. It's also based on a failed experiment. THere's no proof kids who are learning Common Core will be any better at math than those who learned the old-fashioned way.

In my day, we easily got all the way to Calculus by 12th grade.
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