Dartmouth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Big blowup at the Dartmouth prospective students weekend. Some students tried to raise issues about sexual assault, racism and homophobia on campus in front of the prospective students, and a ton of bricks (including threats) fell on them from other students and the adminstration. Dartmouth ended up cancelling classes for a day in an effort to restore civility, but that seems unlikely.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/24/1911741/dartmouth-protest-cancels-classes/

http://realtalkdartmouth.wordpress.com/

The school simply is not what it used to be. Now, all of those grads will jump on this but even they know its the truth.

As an alum, I am so glad that Dartmouth is not what it used to be. When my dad graduated in the 50's, it was all male, mostly white preppy New Englanders. So much has changed since then and all for the better. But there was a lot of ugliness to get there. For example, the Dartmouth Indian mascot supporters did not go down without a fight, but it is no longer the mascot (hello Washington Redskins.) I don't think this kind of incident is necessarily a bad thing. College SHOULD be a place where the kids stage over-the-top protests. It SHOULD be a place where there is discourse and argument and where passionate feelings run deep and ideas and opinions are expressed in all of their messy permutations. And yes, 18-22 year olds will often exercise poor judgment in how and when they make their voices heard, but this is a learning experience for them. I remember when "Womyn" of Dartmouth were throwing red painted tampons at frat boys, and when the students from the AM were protesting the Rodney King business and there were marches to divest, marches to "take back the night" and rallies against the first Gulf War and protests against visiting right wing politicians, and on and on. These were all good thing for me because these kinds of events forced me to really think about the issues that were being raised and helped me to develop and articulate my own opinions and beliefs through lots of debate and discussions in the dorms and dining halls. As a woman, a minority, and a non-Greek who only joined a coed house as a junior, I never felt marginalized and never felt that I did not have a place at Dartmouth. Yes, there were things that I did not like about the school, but I was free to forge my own path, make my own experience, and to speak my opinion about those things that I felt needed changing. All of that is part of the experience that a great liberal arts college should offer. Not just a job preparatory program, you know?

My husband went to a top-notch state school during the same 4 years I went to college, and he remembers NO such controversies erupting. The thing is, all of the racism, homophobia, drinking, class-based distinctions (as played out in Greek life) and misogyny was present on that campus, but everyone was just well-behaved and did not make waves. I think he missed out on something and so does he.

Thanks...a lot written here....but honestly....what exactly is the point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you've followed the comments of Donald Kagan at Yale, you'd see that a bit of diversity of thought in the Ivy League (and elsewhere) might be a good thing:

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2013/04/26/web-yheadline-here-11/

Kagan suggests that schools now act to keep students from speaking freely about their views.

Nowhere in his remarks as reported there does he say anything like that.

[Anonymous]

Here are the overall admission rates for the Ivy League's Class of 2016: Harvard 5.79%, Dartmouth 10.05%, Brown 9.16%, Princeton 7.29%, Yale, 6.72%, Penn 12.10% and Columbia 6.89%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are the overall admission rates for the Ivy League's Class of 2016: Harvard 5.79%, Dartmouth 10.05%, Brown 9.16%, Princeton 7.29%, Yale, 6.72%, Penn 12.10% and Columbia 6.89%.

i like how you left off cornell.

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Cornell is 18% but that is combined AG School + IVY

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/cornell-university-2711

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are the overall admission rates for the Ivy League's Class of 2016: Harvard 5.79%, Dartmouth 10.05%, Brown 9.16%, Princeton 7.29%, Yale, 6.72%, Penn 12.10% and Columbia 6.89%.

My DC has gotten multiple emails and letters from every Ivy league school (expect Princeton so far) asking DC to apply. Based on good, but not great, PSATs. Today's letter was Harvard (and Williams too). Last week we got a bumper sticker from Cornell. My view is that all they are doing is drumming up applications so they can turn more people down and make their admissions rates even lower. No way is my DC getting in to Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Frankly, it would be stupid for a school NOT to try to “game” the rankings by encouraging applications. The schools know that admittance rates aren’t that relevant, but if US News is going to use admittance rates, then it makes sense for schools to try to goose the # of applications. California has it figured out best of all by allowing applicants to apply to ALL schools in the state in a single application with no additional fee.

UCLA had nearly 100,000 applications this year:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-sets-new-undergraduate-applications-242778.aspx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Frankly, it would be stupid for a school NOT to try to “game” the rankings by encouraging applications. The schools know that admittance rates aren’t that relevant, but if US News is going to use admittance rates, then it makes sense for schools to try to goose the # of applications. California has it figured out best of all by allowing applicants to apply to ALL schools in the state in a single application with no additional fee.

UCLA had nearly 100,000 applications this year:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-sets-new-undergraduate-applications-242778.aspx

georgetown doesn't seem to play the game as much given them holding out on using common app or ED like their peer ranked institutions do.

Given their name recognition and location, I think gtown could drop their selectivity to Duke levels at least if not lower if they played that game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Frankly, it would be stupid for a school NOT to try to “game” the rankings by encouraging applications. The schools know that admittance rates aren’t that relevant, but if US News is going to use admittance rates, then it makes sense for schools to try to goose the # of applications. California has it figured out best of all by allowing applicants to apply to ALL schools in the state in a single application with no additional fee.

UCLA had nearly 100,000 applications this year:

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/ucla-sets-new-undergraduate-applications-242778.aspx

georgetown doesn't seem to play the game as much given them holding out on using common app or ED like their peer ranked institutions do.

Given their name recognition and location, I think gtown could drop their selectivity to Duke levels at least if not lower if they played that game.

Good point. They also require 3 SAT Subject tests, which I suspect weeds out even more applicants since every other school requires only 2. Whereas some of the "very selective" schools don't require a supplement to the common app, or at least not one that requires another essay.