Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone would respond with the lines you are quoting. Of course everyone has a chance to do well and find love. What I have said it the great majority of those at the top have had great opportunities throughout their lives and each opportunity has created others. The Supreme Court Justices all went to Harvard and Yale, coincidence? The majority of those going to the best universities benefited from private school educations and households that create learning environments. It all builds. Its about having the best opportunity. I am speaking of the majorities, not the outliers that you are citing.

Exactly how may TJ grads did not go to AAP as a %? A very small majority I would believe.

So why, exactly is Harvard and Yale the 'Best Schools?" I'd but some of my college professors up against theirs any day, and I went to a very good in-state University. The fact that the Supreme Court justices all went to those schools is more about status and money than actual education.

My father was managing partner in a very successful law firm before he retired. He went to an average university, and not even the top law schools in the country. He was the boss of all the Harvard/Yale grads. My sister was in GT when she was a child, I was not. She went to Vanderbelt, I chose the University of Tennessee. We are both in IT. I am in management in the company I work for, and she works on the help desk at hers.

If you are good at what you do, it doesn't matter where you do it, unless you are snobbishly stuck on a name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It all builds, it is not perfect, but it is a much better route than General Ed, as proven by the fact you didn't take your kid out.

No. I didn't take my son out because he is in a center and taking him out would send him back to his base school and not with the teacher that we liked so much.

Sorry.

[Anonymous]

So why, exactly is Harvard and Yale the 'Best Schools?" I'd but some of my college professors up against theirs any day, and I went to a very good in-state University. The fact that the Supreme Court justices all went to those schools is more about status and money than actual education.

My father was managing partner in a very successful law firm before he retired. He went to an average university, and not even the top law schools in the country. He was the boss of all the Harvard/Yale grads. My sister was in GT when she was a child, I was not. She went to Vanderbelt, I chose the University of Tennessee. We are both in IT. I am in management in the company I work for, and she works on the help desk at hers.

If you are good at what you do, it doesn't matter where you do it, unless you are snobbishly stuck on a name.

Harvard and Yale are the "best schools" since you yourself (unconsciously) admit your dad went to an "average" school. Some schools are average, some are best. We are only taking your word. I doubt you would call Harvard and Yale "average" like the school your daddy attended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone would respond with the lines you are quoting. Of course everyone has a chance to do well and find love. What I have said it the great majority of those at the top have had great opportunities throughout their lives and each opportunity has created others. The Supreme Court Justices all went to Harvard and Yale, coincidence? The majority of those going to the best universities benefited from private school educations and households that create learning environments. It all builds. Its about having the best opportunity. I am speaking of the majorities, not the outliers that you are citing.

Exactly how may TJ grads did not go to AAP as a %? A very small majority I would believe.

Does anyone have facts to support that more AAP kids go to TJ? TJ looks for advanced math students. AAP works one grade level ahead in math. General education students who are in compacted math also work one grade level ahead in math. Some schools mix the gen ed compacted math with the AAP, while some schools have a completely separate advanced math class within the gen ed. Once in middle school, all the schools offer both honors and AAP. Either of these classes would provide the background to pass the TJ entrance test. TJ isn't just for smart students, rather it's for students uniquely talented in STEM subjects. With the compacted math option, this pulls many students who are not in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the teachers should ask students individually f they have seen tests like "this" before and make a note of the ones who answer yes, and that info should be in the composite file. Very useful for screening out the borderline cases. Flame away.

Hahaha!! I can somehow see your kiddo's test scores. Go take a nap!

[Anonymous]

So why, exactly is Harvard and Yale the 'Best Schools?" I'd but some of my college professors up against theirs any day, and I went to a very good in-state University. The fact that the Supreme Court justices all went to those schools is more about status and money than actual education.

My father was managing partner in a very successful law firm before he retired. He went to an average university, and not even the top law schools in the country. He was the boss of all the Harvard/Yale grads. My sister was in GT when she was a child, I was not. She went to Vanderbelt, I chose the University of Tennessee. We are both in IT. I am in management in the company I work for, and she works on the help desk at hers.

If you are good at what you do, it doesn't matter where you do it, unless you are snobbishly stuck on a name.

Harvard and Yale are the "best schools" since you yourself (unconsciously) admit your dad went to an "average" school. Some schools are average, some are best. We are only taking your word. I doubt you would call Harvard and Yale "average" like the school your daddy attended.

+1

Going to the so called "Best Schools" is all about having the right credentials which do in fact matter in at least one of life's paths, being a career bureaurcrat. In this case, it seems to me about the only thing that does matter are your credentials (certainly not your talent or ability from what I can see...). Those so called "Best Schools" have produced the worst political class in the history of our country (both republicans and democrats) as well as an endless stream of preening, pretentious, (but entertaining) twits who start threads like this one on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

P to the 7th Baby!

(Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance) - goes for pretty much anything in life, eh?

[Anonymous]

Teacher here, students should not be prepped! They are then qualify for something they are not prepared for. We have students at my center that are inadequetly prepared. Struggling with reading and/or math and overall stressed and unhappy. Do yourself a favor and let the process take place naturally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here, students should not be prepped! They are then qualify for something they are not prepared for. We have students at my center that are inadequetly prepared. Struggling with reading and/or math and overall stressed and unhappy. Do yourself a favor and let the process take place naturally.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew someone would respond with the lines you are quoting. Of course everyone has a chance to do well and find love. What I have said it the great majority of those at the top have had great opportunities throughout their lives and each opportunity has created others. The Supreme Court Justices all went to Harvard and Yale, coincidence? The majority of those going to the best universities benefited from private school educations and households that create learning environments. It all builds. Its about having the best opportunity. I am speaking of the majorities, not the outliers that you are citing.

Exactly how may TJ grads did not go to AAP as a %? A very small majority I would believe.

Does anyone have facts to support that more AAP kids go to TJ? TJ looks for advanced math students. AAP works one grade level ahead in math. General education students who are in compacted math also work one grade level ahead in math. Some schools mix the gen ed compacted math with the AAP, while some schools have a completely separate advanced math class within the gen ed. Once in middle school, all the schools offer both honors and AAP. Either of these classes would provide the background to pass the TJ entrance test. TJ isn't just for smart students, rather it's for students uniquely talented in STEM subjects. With the compacted math option, this pulls many students who are not in AAP.

65% of students accepted at TJ last year were in Geometry 8th. Is it offered in all MS, and are the kids really ready to excell in it? The vast majority of TJ accepts come from the center schools. It is on the internet on mnay different sites.

[Anonymous]

Yes, more kids are accepted from center schools, which happen to be schools with robust math programs. The stats do not state whether the students from the centers are AAP or honors. Either can get a student to geometry in 8th. Does anyone have stats that demonstrate it's the AAP kids that are only being accepted? I ask because it's known at the high school level, where everyone is taking AP classes together, that some of the prior general education students achieve better marks and are accepted to higher ranked colleges. Students develop at different rates and some maintain their drive while others are burning out.

[Anonymous]

PP: My expectation (no data) is that the majority of TJ students were AAP. Why? Because the majority of top students are AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here, students should not be prepped! They are then qualify for something they are not prepared for. We have students at my center that are inadequetly prepared. Struggling with reading and/or math and overall stressed and unhappy. Do yourself a favor and let the process take place naturally.

If they struggle with reading and math, why are they in the Advanced Academic Program? Why are IQ tests required? It should be for the students who are three or more years advanced academically. Why should an upper class kid who is average academically and can pay to get a WISC given priority over a lower class academically advanced kid who might not score as well on an IQ test.

[Anonymous]

I would think that potentially more from AAP, but not necessarily. I think that some parents believe that once their kid is accepted to AAP that the TJ letter will follow in due time. Many AAP kids flutter out and many general education kids are late bloomers. Considering the elementary students in compacted math and AAP are both working one grade level ahead in math, many will arrive at middle school with the same math background.

[Anonymous]

I have a question for those who believe that prepping is OK--especially those who believe it's actually the *right* thing to do:

Have you shared the fact that you prepped your child with your child's teacher and/or school administration? Your AAP teacher, if your child did get into the center?

If you haven't, why not?