New to looking at Capitol Hill DCPS. Any majority high SES schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What good influences will a child get from going to school with kids from abusive and violent homes in the hood that doesn't value education or literacy, and have little regard for the lives, interests or property of others?

Is that how they should learn to not live their lives, and are supposed to tease the "good" influences from bad ones?

It might surprise you that not all low income people are abusive or don't value education or literacy.

I never said or implied anything about "all" low income people, but it definitely cannot be denied that some fall in that category.

Different poster here. Um, where does it say in this sentence that not all low income families are like this? This sentence most certainly implies that this is broadly common among low income people.

Which is what fascinates me - why is it that people who so value their kids going to school with high SES kids and are presumably well-educated themselves are incapable of speaking and writing clearly?

[Anonymous]

+1

[Anonymous]

A sizable population of high SES families send their children outside the Hill. See:

Two Rivers & Washington Yu Ying for ES
Washington Latin for MS
SWW for HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A sizable population of high SES families send their children outside the Hill. See:

Two Rivers & Washington Yu Ying for ES
Washington Latin for MS
SWW for HS

Two Rivers is practically on the Hill, at most it's spitting distance. Let's not forget private (CHDS) and parochial (St Peter's) and probably plenty others as well

[Anonymous]

I still didn't ever say or imply anything about "all" and I dont appreciate others presuming to say or imply I did.

I merely pointed out the reality that those things do in fact exist, we still have homicide, crime, abuse and other greivous issues. Teachers and students criminally assaulted in classrooms, and so on.

Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

You sound like someone who's never stepped foot in an urban public school. Do you honestly think these things routinely occur in most of our schools? Especially for ECC and ES these sorts of things rarely occur. At worst, you may see some disruptive behavior, but the rap sheet on 3rd graders in DCPS is pretty slim.

You honestly sound like someone who is just scared of _________ (insert "other" that implies)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

You sound like someone who's never stepped foot in an urban public school. Do you honestly think these things routinely occur in most of our schools? Especially for ECC and ES these sorts of things rarely occur. At worst, you may see some disruptive behavior, but the rap sheet on 3rd graders in DCPS is pretty slim.

You honestly sound like someone who is just scared of _________ (insert "other" that implies)

Check your assumptions at the door. Matter of fact is I lived on the border and went to one of the most notorious urban schools for Mexican gangs. I saw more than my fair share of violence and crime in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

You sound like someone who's never stepped foot in an urban public school. Do you honestly think these things routinely occur in most of our schools? Especially for ECC and ES these sorts of things rarely occur. At worst, you may see some disruptive behavior, but the rap sheet on 3rd graders in DCPS is pretty slim.

You honestly sound like someone who is just scared of _________ (insert "other" that implies)

Check your assumptions at the door. Matter of fact is I lived on the border and went to one of the most notorious urban schools for Mexican gangs. I saw more than my fair share of violence and crime in school.

Having attended high SES schools, I'll say that violence and crime exists there as well, it's just more insidious. High SES students bully, use drugs and attack students, but they are more savvy about hiding it, and their methods are just as disruptive to learning and achievement. If I were a teacher, I'd look for a high SES school, as my job would be easier; for a student, it's really just semantics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still didn't ever say or imply anything about "all" and I dont appreciate others presuming to say or imply I did.

I merely pointed out the reality that those things do in fact exist, we still have homicide, crime, abuse and other greivous issues. Teachers and students criminally assaulted in classrooms, and so on.

Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

I appreciate the fact that you're elaborating on your point. It's very helpful. But you're just wrong about whether your initial post implied "all." Your statement lacked precision. You apparently have had the benefit of a good education but you need to work on clarity in your writing.

[Anonymous]

We've been in a Title 1 school, mixed income, and a high SES school. Huge difference in families, peers, and atmosphere. If you can afford it, go for high SES. The others might work out as well, but it will be a lot more work than you can imagine.

[Anonymous]

I have come across many children who are wonderful and their parents are jerks. So, worrying about bad influences of the child is a crap-shoot but the interaction with a parent with bad-influences is the plaque.

[Anonymous]

The real worry about a low SES school is that the school has low expectations for the students and the parent community can't/won't demand more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

You sound like someone who's never stepped foot in an urban public school. Do you honestly think these things routinely occur in most of our schools? Especially for ECC and ES these sorts of things rarely occur. At worst, you may see some disruptive behavior, but the rap sheet on 3rd graders in DCPS is pretty slim.

You honestly sound like someone who is just scared of _________ (insert "other" that implies)

Check your assumptions at the door. Matter of fact is I lived on the border and went to one of the most notorious urban schools for Mexican gangs. I saw more than my fair share of violence and crime in school.

...and yet you're here sounding like an elitist snob. Maybe a therapist would be a better use of your time than trolling DCUM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most parents, myself included, appreciate diversity and agree that one can learn from it, but most parents, myself included also believe learning experiences should not come by way of being assaulted on school grounds.

But attacking the messenger and diverting from the fact that there are still some deep problems here and there is not going to cut it.

You sound like someone who's never stepped foot in an urban public school. Do you honestly think these things routinely occur in most of our schools? Especially for ECC and ES these sorts of things rarely occur. At worst, you may see some disruptive behavior, but the rap sheet on 3rd graders in DCPS is pretty slim.

You honestly sound like someone who is just scared of _________ (insert "other" that implies)

Check your assumptions at the door. Matter of fact is I lived on the border and went to one of the most notorious urban schools for Mexican gangs. I saw more than my fair share of violence and crime in school.

...and yet you're here sounding like an elitist snob. Maybe a therapist would be a better use of your time than trolling DCUM

Not elitist, realist. My comments are based on actual life experiences. And yet here you are, trying to deny it all. From my perspective, you are the one trolling. Nothing you can ever say will change actual experience.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, just stay off the Hill. It's a diverse community and we like it that way. You may just be one person, but if a whole posse comes in searching for an artificial "utopia" (I don't consider a school with all high-SES to be such, but others might), we will lose some of the best things about our neighborhood and our schools. Just move to someplace where you can find a negligible FARMS rate and little ethnic diversity and be happy with yourself. Leave the Hill for those of us who value all kinds of diversity in our lives and those of our children, even if it doesn't always make things perfect.