If not overturning RvW, how would you suggest pro-lifers fight to *end* abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:What is with all this birth control and sex ed talk? Many of you very lovely and high educated posters have had abortions up the wazoo.

1) I am sure you knew how babies were made
2) I am sure you had sex ed
3) I am sure you could afford a box of Trojans

So stop getting off topic and acting like poor people are the only ones having abortions like it's drinking a cup of water.

Why aren't you focusing on your own skeletons? What would make you stop having abortions? Nothing, because your heart is cold.

Why are you so sure? Your navel gazing is gross. I'm the PP who has never had a abortion.

You display a willfully shallow understanding of this issue. Abortion happens; always has, always will. Rather than address OP's question, you're making judgements about who has abortions and why and whether that's okay with you. You are not God.

Why am I so sure? Because of the threads on here with people talking about their 3rd and 4th abortions.

Yes, I am making judgements- so what? You are too. That's what people who THINK do. They evaluate, and then come to a conclusion (judgement). Hey guess what, if you steal my car, I am going to JUDGE you as a low life criminal.

I find it sad that people are so cold and callous that they are offended when someone says it's wrong to murder infants. Why is that offensive to you? It's ridiculous that you would be upset by that, and not upset by people ripping up babies and throwing them in the trash.

Yes there will always be abortion and nothing is going to change that because people are foul. You can talk about birth control, welfare, sex ed all you want. It means nothing. It's foolishness. Until you change peoples hearts- until abortion is seen for what it is- then people aren't going to stop. Why would they? They know they can rip the baby up by it's limbs, get some pain meds, and then get lots of hugs and "it's okay, it was for the best".

So laws or no laws, this conversation is foolish.

This is your belief. For as outraged as you are in that direction, I'm equally pissed in the other and cannot fathom how anti-choicers refuse to realize that their beliefs reduce women to incubators. I find that offensive beyond all measure, and foolish, too.

And I cannot fathom how pro-abortionists reduce children to trash that should be ripped apart by its limbs, and discarded. Then on top of it, there's no conscience whatsoever. That is offensive and utterly ridiculous. If you feel that women are incubators, shame on you for degrading women in that fashion. Life is a gift- as is being able to carry life. It's an honor, not a curse. If you don't feel that way, then remove your reproductive parts- or abstain from sexual activity. Don't try to justify your sick and twisted sadism and paint it as empowerment for women.

Are you a woman? At any rate, I give up. You're nearing nonsensicality by regurgitating what you already said. I've had the honor of giving birth, an honor because I had a say in it. Still have, and will always have, a disability resulting from it. I would do it again, too. Because it's my choice. You have officially stated that the Hughes honor for any and every woman is childbirth. It is a miraculous ability, isn't it? But it's a natural process, one that, once begun goes of its own accord. Congrats. You have reduced women to the greatness of a bodily function. Enjoy your night, as I'll be worrying that I might cross paths with your kind of evil misogyny someday.

[Anonymous]

Starhawk offers insight on abortion: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/starhawk/2008/09/abortion_and_the_goddess.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is with all this birth control and sex ed talk? Many of you very lovely and high educated posters have had abortions up the wazoo.

1) I am sure you knew how babies were made
2) I am sure you had sex ed
3) I am sure you could afford a box of Trojans

So stop getting off topic and acting like poor people are the only ones having abortions like it's drinking a cup of water.

Why aren't you focusing on your own skeletons? What would make you stop having abortions? Nothing, because your heart is cold.

Why are you so sure? Your navel gazing is gross. I'm the PP who has never had a abortion.

You display a willfully shallow understanding of this issue. Abortion happens; always has, always will. Rather than address OP's question, you're making judgements about who has abortions and why and whether that's okay with you. You are not God.

Why am I so sure? Because of the threads on here with people talking about their 3rd and 4th abortions.

Yes, I am making judgements- so what? You are too. That's what people who THINK do. They evaluate, and then come to a conclusion (judgement). Hey guess what, if you steal my car, I am going to JUDGE you as a low life criminal.

I find it sad that people are so cold and callous that they are offended when someone says it's wrong to murder infants. Why is that offensive to you? It's ridiculous that you would be upset by that, and not upset by people ripping up babies and throwing them in the trash.

Yes there will always be abortion and nothing is going to change that because people are foul. You can talk about birth control, welfare, sex ed all you want. It means nothing. It's foolishness. Until you change peoples hearts- until abortion is seen for what it is- then people aren't going to stop. Why would they? They know they can rip the baby up by it's limbs, get some pain meds, and then get lots of hugs and "it's okay, it was for the best".

So laws or no laws, this conversation is foolish.

This is your belief. For as outraged as you are in that direction, I'm equally pissed in the other and cannot fathom how anti-choicers refuse to realize that their beliefs reduce women to incubators. I find that offensive beyond all measure, and foolish, too.

If you don't want to incubate, don't put an egg in the proverbial incubator. These aren't immaculate conceptions.

[Anonymous]

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Are you a woman? At any rate, I give up. You're nearing nonsensicality by regurgitating what you already said. I've had the honor of giving birth, an honor because I had a say in it. Still have, and will always have, a disability resulting from it. I would do it again, too. Because it's my choice. You have officially stated that the Hughes honor for any and every woman is childbirth. It is a miraculous ability, isn't it? But it's a natural process, one that, once begun goes of its own accord. Congrats. You have reduced women to the greatness of a bodily function. Enjoy your night, as I'll be worrying that I might cross paths with your kind of evil misogyny someday.

I am sorry for your troubles during childbirth. Truly, I am.

But I assure you that I am being redundant for a reason. I feel that the realities of abortion are swept under the rug. Therefore, when discussing it, I am going to keep repeating what it is. Abortion is not just an "unpleasant procedure"- it's a violent act. It's violent towards babies, and it's violent towards women. I am sorry if that upsets you, but you should really redirect your anger.

Being against women ripping up their wombs and the children inside them does not make me a misogynist. To even imply that says a lot about your own issues and lack of conscience. And that is the problem with debating over this issue. There shouldn't even need to be a debate. Would we be debating chopping up premature babies? Is that acceptable to you? What is the difference between a 28 week premature baby and a 28 week old baby in the womb? It's okay to kill one, but not the other? And really the age doesn't matter. Babies of any age should be worth protecting.

You can call me whatever names make you feel better, but that won't change my views on women are destroying their wombs, shedding innocent blood, and throwing babies in the trash.

Like I said your anger should be directed elsewhere. The fact that it's not proves my point that this is a heart issue, not a legal one. Your heart is cold, just like many others. That's sad but I wish you the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is with all this birth control and sex ed talk? Many of you very lovely and high educated posters have had abortions up the wazoo.

1) I am sure you knew how babies were made
2) I am sure you had sex ed
3) I am sure you could afford a box of Trojans

So stop getting off topic and acting like poor people are the only ones having abortions like it's drinking a cup of water.

Why aren't you focusing on your own skeletons? What would make you stop having abortions? Nothing, because your heart is cold.

Why are you so sure? Your navel gazing is gross. I'm the PP who has never had a abortion.

You display a willfully shallow understanding of this issue. Abortion happens; always has, always will. Rather than address OP's question, you're making judgements about who has abortions and why and whether that's okay with you. You are not God.

Why am I so sure? Because of the threads on here with people talking about their 3rd and 4th abortions.

Yes, I am making judgements- so what? You are too. That's what people who THINK do. They evaluate, and then come to a conclusion (judgement). Hey guess what, if you steal my car, I am going to JUDGE you as a low life criminal.

I find it sad that people are so cold and callous that they are offended when someone says it's wrong to murder infants. Why is that offensive to you? It's ridiculous that you would be upset by that, and not upset by people ripping up babies and throwing them in the trash.

Yes there will always be abortion and nothing is going to change that because people are foul. You can talk about birth control, welfare, sex ed all you want. It means nothing. It's foolishness. Until you change peoples hearts- until abortion is seen for what it is- then people aren't going to stop. Why would they? They know they can rip the baby up by it's limbs, get some pain meds, and then get lots of hugs and "it's okay, it was for the best".

So laws or no laws, this conversation is foolish.

This is your belief. For as outraged as you are in that direction, I'm equally pissed in the other and cannot fathom how anti-choicers refuse to realize that their beliefs reduce women to incubators. I find that offensive beyond all measure, and foolish, too.

If you don't want to incubate, don't put an egg in the proverbial incubator. These aren't immaculate conceptions.

If you don't like people exercising their constitutional rights, don't live here. There are plenty of other countries to choose from.

[Anonymous]

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And I cannot fathom how pro-abortionists reduce children to trash that should be ripped apart by its limbs, and discarded. Then on top of it, there's no conscience whatsoever. That is offensive and utterly ridiculous. If you feel that women are incubators, shame on you for degrading women in that fashion. Life is a gift- as is being able to carry life. It's an honor, not a curse. If you don't feel that way, then remove your reproductive parts- or abstain from sexual activity. Don't try to justify your sick and twisted sadism and paint it as empowerment for women.

+1,000

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If you don't like people exercising their constitutional rights, don't live here. There are plenty of other countries to choose from.

Good thing we aren't living during the era of slavery, with that attitude. But hey, whatever makes you feel superior.

[Anonymous]

It's a violent act.

No, a violent act is shooting a doctor in a church. An abortion is a medical procedure.

Also a violent act? Forcing women to bear children that they don't have the ability to care for. Speaking of slavery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's a violent act.

No, a violent act is shooting a doctor in a church. An abortion is a medical procedure.

Also a violent act? Forcing women to bear children that they don't have the ability to care for. Speaking of slavery.

Yes, shooting someone is violent. That doesn't negate the fact that cutting up a child and throwing its bloody remains on a table is also violent.

Sucking a baby into a tube, breaking the child into small pieces is also violent.

Using forceps to twist and turn the baby's limbs apart is violent as well. Burning off layers of skin while poisoning the baby to death- violent. And certainly,
stabbing a baby in the skull can be thought of as nothing but violence.

You can call it a medical procedure all day. Lipstick on a pig. Please stop trying to justify this sadism.

[Anonymous]

The same way you end illiteracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's a violent act.

No, a violent act is shooting a doctor in a church. An abortion is a medical procedure.

Also a violent act? Forcing women to bear children that they don't have the ability to care for. Speaking of slavery.

Whoa.. I am a NP. Let me get this right:

The U.S. is 16 trillion in debt. Half the population relies on some form of government assistance. The other half the population doesn't want to pay more in federal, state, local, bag, property, taxes. Our Triple AAA bond rating is gone. Our Ambassador is dead. U.S. can only borrow for 2-3years max at this speed before we reach the precipice.

And you are worried screwing around? Rape and incest is another issue but, partial birth is murder. PERIOD.. Otherwise, stop screwing around (literally and figuratively) with your first world problems, be responsible, and don't get pregnant. If I said, "Don't catch an STD or AIDS, you'd have NO problem with that language. So,let's try it: don't catch a baby.Go to China if you want easily accessible abortions without the moral baggage. You may not come back because you may then and only then find out what REAL slavery is if you are one of the unfortunate women abducted. So, stop tossing your ignorant 1980's "I am soooo upset we lost the ERA so let's all just lower our standards to something all women have in common - the NEED for access to abortions!" I am pro-choice and I chose not to engage in risky behavior and I chose to help more people throughout the world if the US can get people like you to realize sex isn't gonna help people in SYria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's a violent act.

No, a violent act is shooting a doctor in a church. An abortion is a medical procedure.

Also a violent act? Forcing women to bear children that they don't have the ability to care for. Speaking of slavery.

Whoa.. I am a NP. Let me get this right:

The U.S. is 16 trillion in debt. Half the population relies on some form of government assistance. The other half the population doesn't want to pay more in federal, state, local, bag, property, taxes. Our Triple AAA bond rating is gone. Our Ambassador is dead. U.S. can only borrow for 2-3years max at this speed before we reach the precipice.

And you are worried screwing around? Rape and incest is another issue but, partial birth is murder. PERIOD.. Otherwise, stop screwing around (literally and figuratively) with your first world problems, be responsible, and don't get pregnant. If I said, "Don't catch an STD or AIDS, you'd have NO problem with that language. So,let's try it: don't catch a baby.Go to China if you want easily accessible abortions without the moral baggage. You may not come back because you may then and only then find out what REAL slavery is if you are one of the unfortunate women abducted. So, stop tossing your ignorant 1980's "I am soooo upset we lost the ERA so let's all just lower our standards to something all women have in common - the NEED for access to abortions!" I am pro-choice and I chose not to engage in risky behavior and I chose to help more people throughout the world if the US can get people like you to realize sex isn't gonna help people in SYria.

This is what it looks like when a wingnut unravels in public.

[Anonymous]

People. You are asking the wrong question and therefore forcing the wrong conclusion.

The relevant question is not whether abortion is a violent act. To the extent that it may be interesting (though still not relevant), I would argue that a D&C at 3 weeks post-conception is not violent, whereas a partial birth abortion is.

The question is whether and when and under what circumstances a violent act may be justified. Certainly those above who go to great lengths to describe abortion as violently as possible are not opposed to violence in all circumstances. That is a complicated question which requires analysis of specific circumstances in different instances. I am sorry that this discussion does not fit you elementary-school style frame of reference. Try harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Are you a woman? At any rate, I give up. You're nearing nonsensicality by regurgitating what you already said. I've had the honor of giving birth, an honor because I had a say in it. Still have, and will always have, a disability resulting from it. I would do it again, too. Because it's my choice. You have officially stated that the Hughes honor for any and every woman is childbirth. It is a miraculous ability, isn't it? But it's a natural process, one that, once begun goes of its own accord. Congrats. You have reduced women to the greatness of a bodily function. Enjoy your night, as I'll be worrying that I might cross paths with your kind of evil misogyny someday.

I am sorry for your troubles during childbirth. Truly, I am.

But I assure you that I am being redundant for a reason. I feel that the realities of abortion are swept under the rug. Therefore, when discussing it, I am going to keep repeating what it is. Abortion is not just an "unpleasant procedure"- it's a violent act. It's violent towards babies, and it's violent towards women. I am sorry if that upsets you, but you should really redirect your anger.

Being against women ripping up their wombs and the children inside them does not make me a misogynist. To even imply that says a lot about your own issues and lack of conscience. And that is the problem with debating over this issue. There shouldn't even need to be a debate. Would we be debating chopping up premature babies? Is that acceptable to you? What is the difference between a 28 week premature baby and a 28 week old baby in the womb? It's okay to kill one, but not the other? And really the age doesn't matter. Babies of any age should be worth protecting.

You can call me whatever names make you feel better, but that won't change my views on women are destroying their wombs, shedding innocent blood, and throwing babies in the trash.

Like I said your anger should be directed elsewhere. The fact that it's not proves my point that this is a heart issue, not a legal one. Your heart is cold, just like many others. That's sad but I wish you the best.

Sir, you know not of what you speak. You really don't. The very least of the things you don't understand: legal abortion in no way damages a uterus. Which you might know had you done any non partisan research. The more I read your posts, the more I am aware you work or volunteer for an anti-choice organization. You're trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People. You are asking the wrong question and therefore forcing the wrong conclusion.

The relevant question is not whether abortion is a violent act. To the extent that it may be interesting (though still not relevant), I would argue that a D&C at 3 weeks post-conception is not violent, whereas a partial birth abortion is.

The question is whether and when and under what circumstances a violent act may be justified. Certainly those above who go to great lengths to describe abortion as violently as possible are not opposed to violence in all circumstances. That is a complicated question which requires analysis of specific circumstances in different instances. I am sorry that this discussion does not fit you elementary-school style frame of reference. Try harder.

Wait, just so we can fit this into my "elementary-school style frame of reference", it's safe to infer that your assumptions are that those of us that believe abortion to be an unwise choice and a violent act DO support violence when it involves war in the middle east, where women and children are killed. And that we want to extend the current wars to a third, right? Is that what we want?

Have I hit the nail on your partisian head?