HS Teachers, I'm curious-- do this semester's grade distributions look different from prior years?

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Anonymous wrote:First year teacher here so i cant compare to previous years but 40% of my 9th graders failed semester 1 of Honors English 9


??? Are you in a low-income neighborhood?


I am outside the Beltway. That is all i will say


That's unusually low. If it's in-line with your school's previous achievement, it's not you. If it's not, it's you. Be prepared to document how you did things.


It was because of zeros. We had 12 AT assignments and 12 PP assignments in Q2. 24 assignments. The kids who failed on average had 18 missing assignments. I even disobeyed the grading policy and had unlimited deadlines. Nothing. Even the


I hope you reached out to your team lead or department head to assist you in managing this. You have terrible or even catastrophic stats and really need to figure out how to work through this if you expect to keep your job. I’m not a teacher but it seems like there have to be strategies beyond extending due dates to get kids to a passing level.


Teacher here at a different school. This is not that unusual actually. Assuming that the previous teacher is at a low income/high immigrant school, you will be shocked at how appalling attendance can be. Two years ago, I had a kid who attended 5 days of school out of a full year and administrators pressured me to pass her so she could graduate. That stuff is harder to pull off now - as it should be.


You're right that I am shocked. It doesn't surprise me that some kids have bad attendance and, probably in most cases, consequently bad grades. But the numbers are what shock me. Especially given that it's an honors course. I don't understand why kids who have poor attendance would even be signing up for honors classes. Regardless, at this point, though, I would think that at least some of that would be weeded out by the attendance policy that calls for disenrollment after a certain number of absences - which actually happened to one of my kids who had to be out for medical reasons.


You mention that part of what shocks you is that this is an Honors Course. I am also a 9th grade English teacher in MCPS. Keep in mind that, at the majority of schools, Honors English is the only course offered. I've been teaching in MCPS for 28 years. I started in middle school, and for the first decade of my teaching career, the material I was teaching to 7th and 8th grade honors students was significantly more challenging than the current "honors" 9th grade curriculum. High achieving students are at such a disadvantage under the current system because there is such a wide disparity in the abilities of students that we are practically teaching the "honors" course at a remedial level.

The powers that be would tell you that "differentiation is key", but in a class of 30 students, you cannot possibly teach anyone at a level that is truly honors. In a given section, I might have half a dozen students who are diligent, high achieving students. In addition, I might have 6-8 IEP students, 3-4 ESL (English as a second language - remember these kids are being put directly into our English classes for the most part), and a handful of 504 students. Over half the class has some set of accommodations that I am legally bound to meet, along with others who probably need accommodations but have yet to be identified as such. Trust me when I say that it is the bright, capable students who want to be challenged that are falling through the cracks. If you are the parent of such a student, I highly recommend having them take as many AP courses as possible because they are the only "real" honors classes being offered in many cases.

And have you seen the literature on the new English curriculum? The novel choices in Quarter 1 include All American Boys, A Separate Peace, and a graphic novel. While the subjects may be appropriate for 9th graders, the reading level of these books is about 6th grade or so. Compare this to the literary quality of books like To Kill a Mockingbird, Romeo and Juliet, and Of Mice and Men.



And no one is reading A Separate Peace. It's ridiculous.

The new curriculum for MS is harder than the 9th grade English curriculum for "honors" courses. Pathetic.


We gave our 9th graders the option to read A Separate Peace and 100% of them chose to read the graphic novel The Magic Fish instead


Well of course (most) kids aren't going to choose to read A Separate Peace over a graphic novel on their own! That's why there are teachers to assign them books.
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Anonymous wrote:First year teacher here so i cant compare to previous years but 40% of my 9th graders failed semester 1 of Honors English 9


??? Are you in a low-income neighborhood?


I am outside the Beltway. That is all i will say


That's unusually low. If it's in-line with your school's previous achievement, it's not you. If it's not, it's you. Be prepared to document how you did things.


It was because of zeros. We had 12 AT assignments and 12 PP assignments in Q2. 24 assignments. The kids who failed on average had 18 missing assignments. I even disobeyed the grading policy and had unlimited deadlines. Nothing. Even the


12 PP is way too much, given that each one counts for less than 1% of their grade and they could, in theory, skip all of them and still get a 90%, if they were perfect in All Tasks. I recommend going for the minimum allowed: 10 AT and 5 PP. If every teacher did this, they still then have 30 assignments per semester or more like 150 to 200 per semester, which, frankly, is still absurd if you think about it.


There a 10 minimum AT? I don’t think many of my kids teachers do this. They often have like 5 AT which means if you miss one, that’s a major hit on your grade.


I misspoke earlier. Technically it is 9 AT: From District Policy: "What is the minimum number of assignments per marking period?
Each marking period must include:
● At least 9 All Tasks assignments (e.g., tests, projects, essays)
● At least 5 Practice/Preparation assignments (e.g., homework, in-class practice)
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Anonymous wrote:In the old system, a student could earn a 79.5 (Marking Period 1) and an 89.5 (Marking Period 2) and earn an A for the semester. And they would earn the same grade as someone who earned a 98 and a 95. So yes, there are probably more students earning Bs, but the new system is a MUCH more accurate reflection of students' abilities.


explain how you came to this
mathematically dubious claim
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Anonymous wrote:We got too used to simply handing out As to the point that students and parents expect their kids should get and A when the reality is that an A should only be awarded for excellent work.

In my class I tell the students that if an assignment has a 300-600 word expectation, if you clock in closer to 300 words, don't expect an A. You do bare minimum effort you're going to get a bare minimum grade.


That's ridiculous! If 300 words is acceptable, 300 words should be acceptable. Word count has nothing to do with quality, What trash "teaching."
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A Separate Peace was one of our summer reading books before starting 9th grade. Ditto for my DS. I haven’t heard of the other book. Is it really a graphic novel? If so, that’s something kids can read on their own. That’s sad if that’s what they are reading in school as an assignment.
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Anonymous wrote:In the old system, a student could earn a 79.5 (Marking Period 1) and an 89.5 (Marking Period 2) and earn an A for the semester. And they would earn the same grade as someone who earned a 98 and a 95. So yes, there are probably more students earning Bs, but the new system is a MUCH more accurate reflection of students' abilities.


explain how you came to this
mathematically dubious claim


DP, but this is absolutely true. 79.5% becomes B for first quarter. 89.5 becomes A for second quarter. B+A=A in the old MCPS grading (up til this year). This year, they still do the rounding, but now the (80+90)/2 = 85 which is solid B.

The new system makes total sense. I don't think anyone will try to argue otherwise though one can quibble with some details (like maybe there should be minuses and plusses). But it's a really stressful transition for kids. They've been socialized to think the need straight As to get into a good college (even need close-to-straight-As to get into UMD from W schools) and the new system makes it harder. In the long run, if this change really does reduce the number of kids getting straight As, the bar will also go down (since kids are evaluated for college with peers in the same school). But right now, it's a big unknown so really stressful.
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Anonymous wrote:In the old system, a student could earn a 79.5 (Marking Period 1) and an 89.5 (Marking Period 2) and earn an A for the semester. And they would earn the same grade as someone who earned a 98 and a 95. So yes, there are probably more students earning Bs, but the new system is a MUCH more accurate reflection of students' abilities.


explain how you came to this
mathematically dubious claim


That's the way the old grading system worked: an 89.5 was rounded up to an A, a 79.5 was rounded up to a B, and they took the higher of the two quarter grades for the semester grade. I have a kid in college now who got several such "As" during the pandemic. He's had to work very hard for his As (and some Bs) in college. But he actually developed a very strong work ethic in HS, mostly because of pressure at home.
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Anonymous wrote:In the old system, a student could earn a 79.5 (Marking Period 1) and an 89.5 (Marking Period 2) and earn an A for the semester. And they would earn the same grade as someone who earned a 98 and a 95. So yes, there are probably more students earning Bs, but the new system is a MUCH more accurate reflection of students' abilities.


explain how you came to this
mathematically dubious claim


79.5 was a B and 89.5 was an A

B + A = A under the old rules

It was mathematically dubious, hence the new system!
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From what I’ve heard, UMD and the state had to pressure MCPS to do something about their ridiculous grade inflation because UMD was admitting MCPS students with high GPAs who can barely write a paragraph and need remediation in middle school math
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Anonymous wrote:I kept a running tally all semester of how many times I had to tell each student to get off their phone, put headphones away, get off youtube or games, etc. Last week I checked to see which students would fall a percentage point short of the next higher semester grade. Students who had less than 3 strikes, I made sure I found that extra percentage point somewhere in their MP2 grade and bumped them up.

Is it fair to the student who barely missed an A but had a phone addiction? Maybe not. Do I care? Nope. Sometimes it pays to follow the rules


Teacher here. I like this approach. I bumped up a few kids who were on the edge of a higher grade if they actively engaged in class (asked and answered questions consistently, etc.,) and a few who showed strong effort and a genuine interest in learning
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Anonymous wrote:I kept a running tally all semester of how many times I had to tell each student to get off their phone, put headphones away, get off youtube or games, etc. Last week I checked to see which students would fall a percentage point short of the next higher semester grade. Students who had less than 3 strikes, I made sure I found that extra percentage point somewhere in their MP2 grade and bumped them up.

Is it fair to the student who barely missed an A but had a phone addiction? Maybe not. Do I care? Nope. Sometimes it pays to follow the rules


Teacher here. I like this approach. I bumped up a few kids who were on the edge of a higher grade if they actively engaged in class (asked and answered questions consistently, etc.,) and a few who showed strong effort and a genuine interest in learning


I'm curious. Can you simply assign an A even though the points don't add up? Or do you need to find some assignment with subjective grading and add points?
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Anonymous wrote:I kept a running tally all semester of how many times I had to tell each student to get off their phone, put headphones away, get off youtube or games, etc. Last week I checked to see which students would fall a percentage point short of the next higher semester grade. Students who had less than 3 strikes, I made sure I found that extra percentage point somewhere in their MP2 grade and bumped them up.

Is it fair to the student who barely missed an A but had a phone addiction? Maybe not. Do I care? Nope. Sometimes it pays to follow the rules


Teacher here. I like this approach. I bumped up a few kids who were on the edge of a higher grade if they actively engaged in class (asked and answered questions consistently, etc.,) and a few who showed strong effort and a genuine interest in learning


I'm curious. Can you simply assign an A even though the points don't add up? Or do you need to find some assignment with subjective grading and add points?


We were fold by admin to just “make it happen” if we felt it was justified. It was easier for me to say an assessment was now an 85 instead of an 80
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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if students' GPAs are notching downward a bit due to the changing calculation for semester grades.


I hope so. MCPS high schoolers should be held to the same standards as private school kids. Glad no more grade inflation for MCPS!


And private schools should be held to the same standards as public schools. Little to no handholding, 50% of the class as EML or IEP students, standardized state or local test each year, class sizes of 30.
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Anonymous wrote:I kept a running tally all semester of how many times I had to tell each student to get off their phone, put headphones away, get off youtube or games, etc. Last week I checked to see which students would fall a percentage point short of the next higher semester grade. Students who had less than 3 strikes, I made sure I found that extra percentage point somewhere in their MP2 grade and bumped them up.

Is it fair to the student who barely missed an A but had a phone addiction? Maybe not. Do I care? Nope. Sometimes it pays to follow the rules


Teacher here. I like this approach. I bumped up a few kids who were on the edge of a higher grade if they actively engaged in class (asked and answered questions consistently, etc.,) and a few who showed strong effort and a genuine interest in learning


I'm curious. Can you simply assign an A even though the points don't add up? Or do you need to find some assignment with subjective grading and add points?


Yes, when teachers finalize grades there is a way to manually enter a grade, often referred to forcing a grade. This typically happens when students have one teacher marking period 1 and a different teacher marking period. Synergy can't automatically calculate the final grade, so teachers have to go in and manually calculate the grade to override Synergy. Teachers can use this feature to 'bump' up a student from a C to a B or B to an A. Teachers can also go in and add a point to an individual assignment, like you said and add points.

Grades are about a body of evidence and determining if a student has met those standards. I always would bump a student who had an x9.1-.4 to the next grade. That comes down to missing one or two points on an assignment.

This is one of the things I really hated about teaching. So many students chase points and really don't care about the learning. If a student came to me to ask me to bump their grade, I would usually ask them to tell me what they thought the most important thing they learned that marking period. If they could answer that, I would bump them up.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering if students' GPAs are notching downward a bit due to the changing calculation for semester grades.


I hope so. MCPS high schoolers should be held to the same standards as private school kids. Glad no more grade inflation for MCPS!


And private schools should be held to the same standards as public schools. Little to no handholding, 50% of the class as EML or IEP students, standardized state or local test each year, class sizes of 30.


There’s no data on whether private school kids are being held to the same standards as public school kids. They have less transparency required than public school systems and and are less likely to use standardized metrics with national testing like AP exams.
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