Travel Youth sports scam?

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Anonymous wrote:Thought the article raised some serious questions.

https://www.basketballspeedspecialist.com/blog/youth-sports-is-the-greatest-theft-in-america

IME I have seen that every other kid plays travel now..and no they are not all that and they don’t need to be playing travel.


OP I agree. One major problem is the alternative to Travel soccer is Rec soccer. Rec soccer is terrible by comparison. Our Travel program is only able to exist by luring families out of of Rec soccer. They recruit them constantly and decimate the Rec teams. The rec leagues are only ran by the same clubs who operate the travel league. They run the rec league to service the community and get access to the county's turf fields by getting blanket permits to those turf field. But then, plot twist, they only allocate the turf fields to their travel teams for all practices and most games.

If the county were to take back the Rec programs and remove all "non-profit" Travel programs from using all the facilities, the Rec programs would be very robust and good to play in -all the while eliminating 80% of the travel programs (that are self serving and ruin the Rec programs and do not get kids into college) and therefore, would leave just a few -strong- travel programs that would be competitive enough & strong enough to mean something.



Agree with all of the above. Though I will say I’m entertained by the people who seem to think many parents force their kids to do travel sports. I’m apparently doing it wrong, because I’m not sure how you really “force” kids to do much once they get to be 10 or so.



They sign them up and make them go. It's not right, but parents do it.


Travel sports with tryouts and cuts? Really?



Parents make their kids play sports all the time. I'm not sure why its so unbelievable.


+1 It's no different than forcing your kid to do other enrichment.


No, it’s completely different.

Academic enrichment boosts grades, boosts test scores, allows acceleration, and will gain you child admission to a T30 university.

Playing sports-ball gets one nowhere.
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Anonymous wrote:Thought the article raised some serious questions.

https://www.basketballspeedspecialist.com/blog/youth-sports-is-the-greatest-theft-in-america

IME I have seen that every other kid plays travel now..and no they are not all that and they don’t need to be playing travel.


OP I agree. One major problem is the alternative to Travel soccer is Rec soccer. Rec soccer is terrible by comparison. Our Travel program is only able to exist by luring families out of of Rec soccer. They recruit them constantly and decimate the Rec teams. The rec leagues are only ran by the same clubs who operate the travel league. They run the rec league to service the community and get access to the county's turf fields by getting blanket permits to those turf field. But then, plot twist, they only allocate the turf fields to their travel teams for all practices and most games.

If the county were to take back the Rec programs and remove all "non-profit" Travel programs from using all the facilities, the Rec programs would be very robust and good to play in -all the while eliminating 80% of the travel programs (that are self serving and ruin the Rec programs and do not get kids into college) and therefore, would leave just a few -strong- travel programs that would be competitive enough & strong enough to mean something.



Agree with all of the above. Though I will say I’m entertained by the people who seem to think many parents force their kids to do travel sports. I’m apparently doing it wrong, because I’m not sure how you really “force” kids to do much once they get to be 10 or so.



They sign them up and make them go. It's not right, but parents do it.


Travel sports with tryouts and cuts? Really?



Parents make their kids play sports all the time. I'm not sure why its so unbelievable.


+1 It's no different than forcing your kid to do other enrichment.


No, it’s completely different.

Academic enrichment boosts grades, boosts test scores, allows acceleration, and will gain you child admission to a T30 university.

Playing sports-ball gets one nowhere.


NP but I believe the point is parents can force children to do things they don't really want to do. Not that forcing them to sports is the right thing to do.

Also the idea that some academic enrichment will lead your child to a T30 university is a bit misguided. But that's another thread.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thought the article raised some serious questions.

https://www.basketballspeedspecialist.com/blog/youth-sports-is-the-greatest-theft-in-america

IME I have seen that every other kid plays travel now..and no they are not all that and they don’t need to be playing travel.


OP I agree. One major problem is the alternative to Travel soccer is Rec soccer. Rec soccer is terrible by comparison. Our Travel program is only able to exist by luring families out of of Rec soccer. They recruit them constantly and decimate the Rec teams. The rec leagues are only ran by the same clubs who operate the travel league. They run the rec league to service the community and get access to the county's turf fields by getting blanket permits to those turf field. But then, plot twist, they only allocate the turf fields to their travel teams for all practices and most games.

If the county were to take back the Rec programs and remove all "non-profit" Travel programs from using all the facilities, the Rec programs would be very robust and good to play in -all the while eliminating 80% of the travel programs (that are self serving and ruin the Rec programs and do not get kids into college) and therefore, would leave just a few -strong- travel programs that would be competitive enough & strong enough to mean something.



Agree with all of the above. Though I will say I’m entertained by the people who seem to think many parents force their kids to do travel sports. I’m apparently doing it wrong, because I’m not sure how you really “force” kids to do much once they get to be 10 or so.



They sign them up and make them go. It's not right, but parents do it.


Travel sports with tryouts and cuts? Really?



Parents make their kids play sports all the time. I'm not sure why its so unbelievable.


+1 It's no different than forcing your kid to do other enrichment.


No, it’s completely different.

Academic enrichment boosts grades, boosts test scores, allows acceleration, and will gain you child admission to a T30 university.

Playing sports-ball gets one nowhere.


Go tell that to everyone complaining about athletes taking up spots at your T30 schools
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thought the article raised some serious questions.

https://www.basketballspeedspecialist.com/blog/youth-sports-is-the-greatest-theft-in-america

IME I have seen that every other kid plays travel now..and no they are not all that and they don’t need to be playing travel.


OP I agree. One major problem is the alternative to Travel soccer is Rec soccer. Rec soccer is terrible by comparison. Our Travel program is only able to exist by luring families out of of Rec soccer. They recruit them constantly and decimate the Rec teams. The rec leagues are only ran by the same clubs who operate the travel league. They run the rec league to service the community and get access to the county's turf fields by getting blanket permits to those turf field. But then, plot twist, they only allocate the turf fields to their travel teams for all practices and most games.

If the county were to take back the Rec programs and remove all "non-profit" Travel programs from using all the facilities, the Rec programs would be very robust and good to play in -all the while eliminating 80% of the travel programs (that are self serving and ruin the Rec programs and do not get kids into college) and therefore, would leave just a few -strong- travel programs that would be competitive enough & strong enough to mean something.



Agree with all of the above. Though I will say I’m entertained by the people who seem to think many parents force their kids to do travel sports. I’m apparently doing it wrong, because I’m not sure how you really “force” kids to do much once they get to be 10 or so.



They sign them up and make them go. It's not right, but parents do it.


Travel sports with tryouts and cuts? Really?



Parents make their kids play sports all the time. I'm not sure why its so unbelievable.


+1 It's no different than forcing your kid to do other enrichment.


No, it’s completely different.

Academic enrichment boosts grades, boosts test scores, allows acceleration, and will gain you child admission to a T30 university.

Playing sports-ball gets one nowhere.


You have so many things wrong in your post, I need to add more. How about physical fitness/teammate bonds/leadership/learning tough life lessons. I could go on, but once you go "sports-ball" I know you can't be reasoned with. I will finish though that those who do make it to the top and are also academically inclined are taking those coveted T30 spots you hold so dear.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thought the article raised some serious questions.

https://www.basketballspeedspecialist.com/blog/youth-sports-is-the-greatest-theft-in-america

IME I have seen that every other kid plays travel now..and no they are not all that and they don’t need to be playing travel.


OP I agree. One major problem is the alternative to Travel soccer is Rec soccer. Rec soccer is terrible by comparison. Our Travel program is only able to exist by luring families out of of Rec soccer. They recruit them constantly and decimate the Rec teams. The rec leagues are only ran by the same clubs who operate the travel league. They run the rec league to service the community and get access to the county's turf fields by getting blanket permits to those turf field. But then, plot twist, they only allocate the turf fields to their travel teams for all practices and most games.

If the county were to take back the Rec programs and remove all "non-profit" Travel programs from using all the facilities, the Rec programs would be very robust and good to play in -all the while eliminating 80% of the travel programs (that are self serving and ruin the Rec programs and do not get kids into college) and therefore, would leave just a few -strong- travel programs that would be competitive enough & strong enough to mean something.



Agree with all of the above. Though I will say I’m entertained by the people who seem to think many parents force their kids to do travel sports. I’m apparently doing it wrong, because I’m not sure how you really “force” kids to do much once they get to be 10 or so.



They sign them up and make them go. It's not right, but parents do it.


Travel sports with tryouts and cuts? Really?



Parents make their kids play sports all the time. I'm not sure why its so unbelievable.


+1 It's no different than forcing your kid to do other enrichment.


No, it’s completely different.

Academic enrichment boosts grades, boosts test scores, allows acceleration, and will gain you child admission to a T30 university.

Playing sports-ball gets one nowhere.


You have so many things wrong in your post, I need to add more. How about physical fitness/teammate bonds/leadership/learning tough life lessons. I could go on, but once you go "sports-ball" I know you can't be reasoned with. I will finish though that those who do make it to the top and are also academically inclined are taking those coveted T30 spots you hold so dear.



You can get those things without sports though. And can we please just for a minute not concentrate on what might get kids ahead and just let them be kids.
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It’s extremely important for everyone to be active and exercise. It is anlso particularly important for girls to play sports. Over half of executive level women played a college sport.

The great thing about the large number of club sports now is that it gives a much wider opportunity for kids to play a school sport. No more (or far far fewer) “3 sport athletes”. If you want to be on the baseball or softball team you focus on that - playing club ball. The same with pretty much every sport save football and to some extent, track - though lots of cross over there with x-country.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a scam, but businesses run for the purpose of generating profits. I'm at the tail end of a travel sport with my high schooler, and we could've done without it. We would have had more mutually enjoyable vacations and experiences had we avoided that scene.


It is a scam. Not every kid who plays travel is good enough to play travel. I have seen kids on competitive basketball teams that shouldn’t even be playing basketball. How the heck they are on the travel team? Why do 9/10/11/12 year olds need to be driving all weekend to play games? Why is playing sports more important than family time and down time? How is this not a scam? Parents fall into this trap they are made to believe their kid is good and should be on travel team.


It’s like abortion. If you don’t want one, don’t get one. Same with travel sports - if you don’t want to do it then don’t. But that doesn’t make it a scam. And you don’t need to be a college recruit to enjoy it.
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Anonymous wrote:Not a scam, but businesses run for the purpose of generating profits. I'm at the tail end of a travel sport with my high schooler, and we could've done without it. We would have had more mutually enjoyable vacations and experiences had we avoided that scene.


It is a scam. Not every kid who plays travel is good enough to play travel. I have seen kids on competitive basketball teams that shouldn’t even be playing basketball. How the heck they are on the travel team? Why do 9/10/11/12 year olds need to be driving all weekend to play games? Why is playing sports more important than family time and down time? How is this not a scam? Parents fall into this trap they are made to believe their kid is good and should be on travel team.


A scam is a fraudulent scheme designed to deceive people in order to steal money, personal information, or other valuables. Most people willingly sign up for travel sports. They aren't tricked into it. Nothing is stolen. Most UMC parents with kids in travel sports know it's not going anywhere. We didn't do it at the expense of saving in our kids' 529 plans. We did it because our kids asked and we wanted to support them and see what they could do. I often wonder what better trips we could have taken if we didn't have travel sports eating so much of our time, but I take full responsibility for letting it get to that point.
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Correct it’s not a scam…other than 90% of all travel teams provide zero value add for college recruiting but will never admit that to parents.

The joke is that they will claim anyone who ever played for the program at any age as part of their “college commits”. Literally knew a shit program claiming kids who played one season when they were 11 as their “college commits”
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Anonymous wrote:Correct it’s not a scam…other than 90% of all travel teams provide zero value add for college recruiting but will never admit that to parents.

The joke is that they will claim anyone who ever played for the program at any age as part of their “college commits”. Literally knew a shit program claiming kids who played one season when they were 11 as their “college commits”


Plenty of travel teams don’t claim to have college commits or be pursuing that goal. We have never been on a team like that and the “value” it provides is somewhere for my DD to play and improve. We can afford college and don’t need or want her to play there. Most other parents are the same.
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Anonymous wrote:Thought the article raised some serious questions.

https://www.basketballspeedspecialist.com/blog/youth-sports-is-the-greatest-theft-in-america

IME I have seen that every other kid plays travel now..and no they are not all that and they don’t need to be playing travel.


OP I agree. One major problem is the alternative to Travel soccer is Rec soccer. Rec soccer is terrible by comparison. Our Travel program is only able to exist by luring families out of of Rec soccer. They recruit them constantly and decimate the Rec teams. The rec leagues are only ran by the same clubs who operate the travel league. They run the rec league to service the community and get access to the county's turf fields by getting blanket permits to those turf field. But then, plot twist, they only allocate the turf fields to their travel teams for all practices and most games.

If the county were to take back the Rec programs and remove all "non-profit" Travel programs from using all the facilities, the Rec programs would be very robust and good to play in -all the while eliminating 80% of the travel programs (that are self serving and ruin the Rec programs and do not get kids into college) and therefore, would leave just a few -strong- travel programs that would be competitive enough & strong enough to mean something.



Agree with all of the above. Though I will say I’m entertained by the people who seem to think many parents force their kids to do travel sports. I’m apparently doing it wrong, because I’m not sure how you really “force” kids to do much once they get to be 10 or so.



They sign them up and make them go. It's not right, but parents do it.


Travel sports with tryouts and cuts? Really?



Parents make their kids play sports all the time. I'm not sure why its so unbelievable.


+1 It's no different than forcing your kid to do other enrichment.


No, it’s completely different.

Academic enrichment boosts grades, boosts test scores, allows acceleration, and will gain you child admission to a T30 university.

Playing sports-ball gets one nowhere.


NP but I believe the point is parents can force children to do things they don't really want to do. Not that forcing them to sports is the right thing to do.

Also the idea that some academic enrichment will lead your child to a T30 university is a bit misguided. But that's another thread.


Academic enrichment can lead a struggling child to a middle tier college.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the system is totally screwed up and a money-making machine. And I tried not to participate.

But my kid fell in love with ice hockey, and by around age 10 then were no kids left playing house league who could actually skate. It was basically watching kids falling down and not passing, and he’d play the same team every week. And because he was decent, people kept coming to to him and asking him to join various travel teams, and of course he wanted to. He’s 15 now, and none of the parents on his team have delusions of grandeur, but we are a family in many ways because we spend so much time together, and it’s been a lot of fun. (And I do not even drink.) But, even though the experience has been good, I still think the system is super dumb. If everyone abandoned travel, we could be having the same fun minus the travel and the expense.

But to stop the madness, all the parents would have to ban together and just stop buying in at the same time. (I’d certainly do it if everyone else did.). But of course that isn’t going to happen—for the same reason we can’t stop climate change. Once something huge gets rolling downhill, it’s very hard to stop it. Maybe it would be easier to stop it in sports where tons of kids play. But here, even with those sports, the rec leagues are pretty gutted by age 10 or so. If your kid is athletic and improves at any decent clip, you would just be watching them own kids week in and out. It’s not that you even think your kid is getting a college scholarship—it’s that the current system guts the rec leagues and almost forces you to move over.


I think “travel” comes in all different flavors, so wouldn’t paint it with a broad brush.

You have soccer, where all the decent kids play travel starting in 1st grade (!!) but it is community-travel so the furthest they’re going is 45 min away. Luckily DS doesn’t like soccer so we bowed out - but it was absolutely painful to see the mismatches at times - one really good kid scored 20 goals on the other team 😂

On the other hand, Ds LOVES baseball and is starting travel next year - its a community based travel league which is actually part of the same organization as the local rec baseball league, so they make all of the travel team players play rec league as well (aside from the top team starting at I think age 10). I think it’s a nice way to balance out the desire for better competition without decimating the local rec league. We’ll see how it goes! And let me tell you, the kids are SO excited to be on the travel team - no one’s parents are forcing them.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the system is totally screwed up and a money-making machine. And I tried not to participate.

But my kid fell in love with ice hockey, and by around age 10 then were no kids left playing house league who could actually skate. It was basically watching kids falling down and not passing, and he’d play the same team every week. And because he was decent, people kept coming to to him and asking him to join various travel teams, and of course he wanted to. He’s 15 now, and none of the parents on his team have delusions of grandeur, but we are a family in many ways because we spend so much time together, and it’s been a lot of fun. (And I do not even drink.) But, even though the experience has been good, I still think the system is super dumb. If everyone abandoned travel, we could be having the same fun minus the travel and the expense.

But to stop the madness, all the parents would have to ban together and just stop buying in at the same time. (I’d certainly do it if everyone else did.). But of course that isn’t going to happen—for the same reason we can’t stop climate change. Once something huge gets rolling downhill, it’s very hard to stop it. Maybe it would be easier to stop it in sports where tons of kids play. But here, even with those sports, the rec leagues are pretty gutted by age 10 or so. If your kid is athletic and improves at any decent clip, you would just be watching them own kids week in and out. It’s not that you even think your kid is getting a college scholarship—it’s that the current system guts the rec leagues and almost forces you to move over.


I think “travel” comes in all different flavors, so wouldn’t paint it with a broad brush.

You have soccer, where all the decent kids play travel starting in 1st grade (!!) but it is community-travel so the furthest they’re going is 45 min away. Luckily DS doesn’t like soccer so we bowed out - but it was absolutely painful to see the mismatches at times - one really good kid scored 20 goals on the other team 😂

On the other hand, Ds LOVES baseball and is starting travel next year - its a community based travel league which is actually part of the same organization as the local rec baseball league, so they make all of the travel team players play rec league as well (aside from the top team starting at I think age 10). I think it’s a nice way to balance out the desire for better competition without decimating the local rec league. We’ll see how it goes! And let me tell you, the kids are SO excited to be on the travel team - no one’s parents are forcing them.


Yeah for hockey we are going as far south as Tampa and as far north as Pittsburgh this year. And this is AA hockey not AAA hockey (AAA flies all over the country). It’s just super dumb. If we all stayed put and created a local/community league, there would be plenty of kids at various levels to play. You could just divide the leagues by skill level just like the adult leagues do. Sure maybe you have some less talented kids with some more talented kids, but every team would. Who cares. We do not need to be so obsessed with churning out elite athletes.
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Anonymous wrote:Correct it’s not a scam…other than 90% of all travel teams provide zero value add for college recruiting but will never admit that to parents.

The joke is that they will claim anyone who ever played for the program at any age as part of their “college commits”. Literally knew a shit program claiming kids who played one season when they were 11 as their “college commits”


Plenty of travel teams don’t claim to have college commits or be pursuing that goal. We have never been on a team like that and the “value” it provides is somewhere for my DD to play and improve. We can afford college and don’t need or want her to play there. Most other parents are the same.


Maybe in girls’ sports. Don’t see that in most boys’ sports.

BTW, if sports are so important in HS, why do you not even want her to play in college?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the system is totally screwed up and a money-making machine. And I tried not to participate.

But my kid fell in love with ice hockey, and by around age 10 then were no kids left playing house league who could actually skate. It was basically watching kids falling down and not passing, and he’d play the same team every week. And because he was decent, people kept coming to to him and asking him to join various travel teams, and of course he wanted to. He’s 15 now, and none of the parents on his team have delusions of grandeur, but we are a family in many ways because we spend so much time together, and it’s been a lot of fun. (And I do not even drink.) But, even though the experience has been good, I still think the system is super dumb. If everyone abandoned travel, we could be having the same fun minus the travel and the expense.

But to stop the madness, all the parents would have to ban together and just stop buying in at the same time. (I’d certainly do it if everyone else did.). But of course that isn’t going to happen—for the same reason we can’t stop climate change. Once something huge gets rolling downhill, it’s very hard to stop it. Maybe it would be easier to stop it in sports where tons of kids play. But here, even with those sports, the rec leagues are pretty gutted by age 10 or so. If your kid is athletic and improves at any decent clip, you would just be watching them own kids week in and out. It’s not that you even think your kid is getting a college scholarship—it’s that the current system guts the rec leagues and almost forces you to move over.


I think “travel” comes in all different flavors, so wouldn’t paint it with a broad brush.

You have soccer, where all the decent kids play travel starting in 1st grade (!!) but it is community-travel so the furthest they’re going is 45 min away. Luckily DS doesn’t like soccer so we bowed out - but it was absolutely painful to see the mismatches at times - one really good kid scored 20 goals on the other team 😂

On the other hand, Ds LOVES baseball and is starting travel next year - its a community based travel league which is actually part of the same organization as the local rec baseball league, so they make all of the travel team players play rec league as well (aside from the top team starting at I think age 10). I think it’s a nice way to balance out the desire for better competition without decimating the local rec league. We’ll see how it goes! And let me tell you, the kids are SO excited to be on the travel team - no one’s parents are forcing them.


Yeah for hockey we are going as far south as Tampa and as far north as Pittsburgh this year. And this is AA hockey not AAA hockey (AAA flies all over the country). It’s just super dumb. If we all stayed put and created a local/community league, there would be plenty of kids at various levels to play. You could just divide the leagues by skill level just like the adult leagues do. Sure maybe you have some less talented kids with some more talented kids, but every team would. Who cares. We do not need to be so obsessed with churning out elite athletes.


Did you play hockey? Why sign up for this nonsense ever?

It really wasn’t a hard conversation with my kid when they expressed some interest…nope, go play one of the 12+ other sports around.

It’s not like we are in Canada or MN where there might be in fact pickup hockey games or multiple rec leagues.
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