Are We Crazy for Questioning a $250k US Degree and looking abroad?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, as a hiring manager, if everything is equal between 2 candidates but one went to Clemson and the other at a university abroad, I'm picking the one who went to Clemson. This has nothing to do with Clemson's reputation but everything to do with the fact that I have heard of the school.

With such analytical skills, you must be the hiring manager at your local Walmart.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly I don’t understand the logic. If you don’t want to spend 250k on a US college you don’t have to. Go in state (UTA UVA Michigan UNC are all great schools for prime students) or Get merit at a T100 school.

The majority of the people I see posting on DCUM with kids going abroad are prestige hunters whose kids didn’t have the grades and stats to get into the T20/30. So off to St Andrews they go. So mommy can drop a name.

From what I see it’s not about quality of education at all. If it was y’all would be hyping up Durham and Warwick. But instead it’s the same 3 UK schools (I don’t begrudge Oxbridge btw that’s legit). But LSE as a psych major? Please.

I dont get this board's fixable/hatred of St Andrews when again and again, it's top 5 in UK, in a dreamy little corner with sky high student satisfaction numbers. You dont begrudge Oxbridge because "that's legit". St Andrew's is legit and so is LSE.

MY kids are in the US, but cmon...

I know you think so. Because the rankings say so. But St Andrews is like Northeastern. I said what I said.

[Anonymous]

Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a small LAC that didn't really have a good alum network or funnel people to certain companies, or even have a good job center / counseling center. I think because everyone was wealthy and had connections already!

I just hustled. So I wouldn't look to colleges to provide all that because it can be done without that spoonfeeding funnel.

Unrealistic post.

How is this unrealistic?

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all are just so short-sighted and weird. Your goal is to send your kids as far away as possible for college just to save some money, and down the road you'll never even see them. Have a lonely old age face timing with your grandkids who you'll barely know.

My kid goes to college within 50 miles but is probably taking a job 3000 miles away.

That said…who gives a shit. We make a ton of $$$ and are fully remote. We will just move to our kid once they are settled and grandkids come along.

Seems like y’all are just without means and stuck wherever you are.

Well that was a useful post. Do you enjoy being a bad person?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been considering England or Wales schools bc the tuition/room/board is similar to our flagship price bc it’s 3yrs vs 4. My child has hyperfocus & absolutely loathes the idea of gen eds & Eng/Wales schools at least don’t have them.

I’ve found that many courses/majors have the option on “year in industry”. So you’re at uni for years 1-2, then are placed in an internship for a year, then back on campus final year. The tuition for internship year is like 3k gbp.

I’d like to hear others perspective on if a year long internship would help mitigate the “I’ve never heard of that school” factor. For even some of the “lesser” universities with Mech E degrees, they’re placing kids at Rolls Royce & other places I have heard of

We have cousins in England, and one nephew is taking a year off his history degree to do a placement with an international accounting firm. Apparently, people don't need to do an accounting degree to become an accountant. Kid loves history, but he never thought he'd be an academic historian. Seems like a great system.

Years ago, I worked in business development for Bank of America in London and my more senior colleague had studied archaeology at university. He left to join a hedge fund. I was amazed that you could study something that genuinely interested you and then work in a completely different field. Not sure if it’s exactly like that still.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Y'all are just so short-sighted and weird. Your goal is to send your kids as far away as possible for college just to save some money, and down the road you'll never even see them. Have a lonely old age face timing with your grandkids who you'll barely know.

My kid goes to college within 50 miles but is probably taking a job 3000 miles away.

That said…who gives a shit. We make a ton of $$$ and are fully remote. We will just move to our kid once they are settled and grandkids come along.

Seems like y’all are just without means and stuck wherever you are.

Well that was a useful post. Do you enjoy being a bad person?

Why was PP a bad person. The post they were responding to was telling parents that anyone who allows their kid to attend college overseas is going to die alone and miserable...yet, that's just peachy? It also made the point that where you attend college doesn't guarantee where your kids decide to take a job and live...and that as fully functioning adults, you too are free to move rather than expecting everyone to come to you.

[Anonymous]

I went to Toronto and LSE and both places were full of Americans. I don't think either will be cheap in absolute terms but more of a value proposition.

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Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

In state doesn't always have the major one wants.

DC is looking at oos or private.

We ran the numbers going oos/private vs to the UK. The most expensive UK uni we looked at ends up being like $200K with travel to/fro. The ones we think DC will like will be around $175K, all in. They are looking at a sandwich program where you take a year out in industry. You do pay tuition, but at a much reduced rate, and you get paid for the internship. Even though you do have to find the internship yourself, the uni career center does help out. But, rather than just the 10 week summer internship, you are looking at more like 20+ weeks.

Plus, DC wants out of MD , and I can't blame them.

We have family in the UK, and I think DC would really like it there, and so would I. I just got back from the UK, and not having ever to think about a possible shooting while there was such a relief.

My other kid is in state, and they have active shooter alerts. The first time they sent out a test alert, DC got nervous and wasn't sure what was going on.

It is incredibly sad that we think this is a normal way to live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

In state doesn't always have the major one wants.

DC is looking at oos or private.

We ran the numbers going oos/private vs to the UK. The most expensive UK uni we looked at ends up being like $200K with travel to/fro. The ones we think DC will like will be around $175K, all in. They are looking at a sandwich program where you take a year out in industry. You do pay tuition, but at a much reduced rate, and you get paid for the internship. Even though you do have to find the internship yourself, the uni career center does help out. But, rather than just the 10 week summer internship, you are looking at more like 20+ weeks.

Plus, DC wants out of MD , and I can't blame them.

We have family in the UK, and I think DC would really like it there, and so would I. I just got back from the UK, and not having ever to think about a possible shooting while there was such a relief.

My other kid is in state, and they have active shooter alerts. The first time they sent out a test alert, DC got nervous and wasn't sure what was going on.

It is incredibly sad that we think this is a normal way to live.

This probably makes a huge difference. Having somewhere to go for breaks and holidays, as well as I assume you have visited many times.

I would say a good 75% of the kids we know going to college in Canada have at least one Canadian parent which makes college nearly free no matter which you choose, because you get to declare your province at the school where you decide to attend so you get both the Canadian and in-province tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

In state doesn't always have the major one wants.

DC is looking at oos or private.

We ran the numbers going oos/private vs to the UK. The most expensive UK uni we looked at ends up being like $200K with travel to/fro. The ones we think DC will like will be around $175K, all in. They are looking at a sandwich program where you take a year out in industry. You do pay tuition, but at a much reduced rate, and you get paid for the internship. Even though you do have to find the internship yourself, the uni career center does help out. But, rather than just the 10 week summer internship, you are looking at more like 20+ weeks.

Plus, DC wants out of MD , and I can't blame them.

We have family in the UK, and I think DC would really like it there, and so would I. I just got back from the UK, and not having ever to think about a possible shooting while there was such a relief.

My other kid is in state, and they have active shooter alerts. The first time they sent out a test alert, DC got nervous and wasn't sure what was going on.

It is incredibly sad that we think this is a normal way to live.

Please what major does UMD not have that they can only get at Durham University? Also I’m not sure why *paying* to work for free for a year is considered a plus. stay home, go to UMD, and then get an actual paying job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly I don’t understand the logic. If you don’t want to spend 250k on a US college you don’t have to. Go in state (UTA UVA Michigan UNC are all great schools for prime students) or Get merit at a T100 school.

The majority of the people I see posting on DCUM with kids going abroad are prestige hunters whose kids didn’t have the grades and stats to get into the T20/30. So off to St Andrews they go. So mommy can drop a name.

From what I see it’s not about quality of education at all. If it was y’all would be hyping up Durham and Warwick. But instead it’s the same 3 UK schools (I don’t begrudge Oxbridge btw that’s legit). But LSE as a psych major? Please.

I dont get this board's fixable/hatred of St Andrews when again and again, it's top 5 in UK, in a dreamy little corner with sky high student satisfaction numbers. You dont begrudge Oxbridge because "that's legit". St Andrew's is legit and so is LSE.

MY kids are in the US, but cmon...

I know you think so. Because the rankings say so. But St Andrews is like Northeastern. I said what I said.

Is Northeastern a top ranked school now? I actually have nothing against Northeastern either. We toured it. Kids want co-ops! I get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

In state doesn't always have the major one wants.

DC is looking at oos or private.

We ran the numbers going oos/private vs to the UK. The most expensive UK uni we looked at ends up being like $200K with travel to/fro. The ones we think DC will like will be around $175K, all in. They are looking at a sandwich program where you take a year out in industry. You do pay tuition, but at a much reduced rate, and you get paid for the internship. Even though you do have to find the internship yourself, the uni career center does help out. But, rather than just the 10 week summer internship, you are looking at more like 20+ weeks.

Plus, DC wants out of MD , and I can't blame them.

We have family in the UK, and I think DC would really like it there, and so would I. I just got back from the UK, and not having ever to think about a possible shooting while there was such a relief.

My other kid is in state, and they have active shooter alerts. The first time they sent out a test alert, DC got nervous and wasn't sure what was going on.

It is incredibly sad that we think this is a normal way to live.

Please what major does UMD not have that they can only get at Durham University? Also I’m not sure why *paying* to work for free for a year is considered a plus. stay home, go to UMD, and then get an actual paying job.

I'm not going to state what the major is because then you'd make some ignorant comment about that major. But the tuition for that sandwich year is tiny. I'd be happy to pay that tiny amount for the experience and pay that DC would get.

But, it's true, in state colleges don't always have the major one wants.

DC will absolutely hate 1000% going in state. Plus, the UK's culture is much more aligned to DC's interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

In state doesn't always have the major one wants.

DC is looking at oos or private.

We ran the numbers going oos/private vs to the UK. The most expensive UK uni we looked at ends up being like $200K with travel to/fro. The ones we think DC will like will be around $175K, all in. They are looking at a sandwich program where you take a year out in industry. You do pay tuition, but at a much reduced rate, and you get paid for the internship. Even though you do have to find the internship yourself, the uni career center does help out. But, rather than just the 10 week summer internship, you are looking at more like 20+ weeks.

Plus, DC wants out of MD , and I can't blame them.

We have family in the UK, and I think DC would really like it there, and so would I. I just got back from the UK, and not having ever to think about a possible shooting while there was such a relief.

My other kid is in state, and they have active shooter alerts. The first time they sent out a test alert, DC got nervous and wasn't sure what was going on.

It is incredibly sad that we think this is a normal way to live.

Please what major does UMD not have that they can only get at Durham University? Also I’m not sure why *paying* to work for free for a year is considered a plus. stay home, go to UMD, and then get an actual paying job.

I'm not going to state what the major is because then you'd make some ignorant comment about that major. But the tuition for that sandwich year is tiny. I'd be happy to pay that tiny amount for the experience and pay that DC would get.

But, it's true, in state colleges don't always have the major one wants.

DC will absolutely hate 1000% going in state. Plus, the UK's culture is much more aligned to DC's interests.

Sure, ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would you go to a random European university instead of a state college in your state? Make it make sense.

In state doesn't always have the major one wants.

DC is looking at oos or private.

We ran the numbers going oos/private vs to the UK. The most expensive UK uni we looked at ends up being like $200K with travel to/fro. The ones we think DC will like will be around $175K, all in. They are looking at a sandwich program where you take a year out in industry. You do pay tuition, but at a much reduced rate, and you get paid for the internship. Even though you do have to find the internship yourself, the uni career center does help out. But, rather than just the 10 week summer internship, you are looking at more like 20+ weeks.

Plus, DC wants out of MD , and I can't blame them.

We have family in the UK, and I think DC would really like it there, and so would I. I just got back from the UK, and not having ever to think about a possible shooting while there was such a relief.

My other kid is in state, and they have active shooter alerts. The first time they sent out a test alert, DC got nervous and wasn't sure what was going on.

It is incredibly sad that we think this is a normal way to live.

Please what major does UMD not have that they can only get at Durham University? Also I’m not sure why *paying* to work for free for a year is considered a plus. stay home, go to UMD, and then get an actual paying job.

NP actually in the UK when you go an internship, your tuition fees are reduced to really what it costs them to do the paperwork. when PP said much reduced, you should read that as really MUCH reduced. Maybe 1k a year..

Meanwhile, in the US, colleges charge kids full tuition prices for their junior year abroad, when those kids are enrolled in colleges that cost 5-15k a year. What a ripoff!