Feel depressed about the USDA relocation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand problem. My mom in early 1990s worked American Express in NY. They relocated her entire division to Tampa Florida.

She had choice to go, take a package and unemployment eligible.

My job ended in NY in 2016. My new job was in DMV. I had choice move DMV or have no job.

My father in law his last company moved to AZ. He left.

Bottom line either move or stay. This is life

They’re delicate federal employees who have never faced any serious hardships in life.

Do you enjoy being manipulated into hating regular people?

That would require him to know he’s being manipulated, which of course he doesn’t realize.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand problem. My mom in early 1990s worked American Express in NY. They relocated her entire division to Tampa Florida.

She had choice to go, take a package and unemployment eligible.

My job ended in NY in 2016. My new job was in DMV. I had choice move DMV or have no job.

My father in law his last company moved to AZ. He left.

Bottom line either move or stay. This is life

They’re delicate federal employees who have never faced any serious hardships in life.

Do you enjoy being manipulated into hating regular people?

That would require him to know he’s being manipulated, which of course he doesn’t realize.

I agree with the above but also add that it’s no different that DMV people fearing moving to a place in “fly over country.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Military families get moved all the time. Their kids turn out fine - usually more resilient than other kids. The kids who move will be fine with a mid-year move, will make new friends, and will adjust to any different school routines.

I do not get all the angst about this. Ft Collins or Raleigh would be a great place to live and raise a family.

Military families agree to this when they sign up. It’s also a completely different world where they have resources for moving and finding housing and getting established in a new place. They also generally aren’t going to get fired right after moving.

This is nothing like military moves. Military spouses get preference often in finding new jobs. No one gives AF about a fed employee’s spouse. I also don’t know any feds who have SAHMs, we aren’t paid enough. So nearly all feds are dual income.

There’s no logical reason for this move. It doesn’t save money and it also doesn’t make sense for people to be located in those cities. The reason is pain.

[Anonymous]

Military families get their moves paid for, a housing allowance and have support for SAHM and spouses.

Feds may get the move paid for and that's it. Spouses are on their own, housing is on their own. Have you looked at interest rates and the prices of housing even in places like Kansas City and Raleigh lately?

I'd love to move to Raleigh, but a similar SFH there will cost almost as much as it does here, with the higher interest rate I would be paying. We don't even know if we will be able to afford to retire in NC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Military families get their moves paid for, a housing allowance and have support for SAHM and spouses.

Feds may get the move paid for and that's it. Spouses are on their own, housing is on their own. Have you looked at interest rates and the prices of housing even in places like Kansas City and Raleigh lately?

I'd love to move to Raleigh, but a similar SFH there will cost almost as much as it does here, with the higher interest rate I would be paying. We don't even know if we will be able to afford to retire in NC.

Raleigh and surrounding areas are hot right now. It’s extremely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Military families get moved all the time. Their kids turn out fine - usually more resilient than other kids. The kids who move will be fine with a mid-year move, will make new friends, and will adjust to any different school routines.

I do not get all the angst about this. Ft Collins or Raleigh would be a great place to live and raise a family.

Military families agree to this when they sign up. It’s also a completely different world where they have resources for moving and finding housing and getting established in a new place. They also generally aren’t going to get fired right after moving.

This is nothing like military moves. Military spouses get preference often in finding new jobs. No one gives AF about a fed employee’s spouse. I also don’t know any feds who have SAHMs, we aren’t paid enough. So nearly all feds are dual income.

There’s no logical reason for this move. It doesn’t save money and it also doesn’t make sense for people to be located in those cities. The reason is pain.

+1. They want people to quit. All of this is about getting people to quit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Relocation package. lol.

For most feds, “negotiating a relocation package” has never been a thing.

Uh, you get a relocation package when you are forced to move to an office more than 50 miles away - this isn't at all the same as where you voluntarily apply for a new job across the country and move without a relocation package. You might have to bring it up in order to get it which is what I think the PP meant by "negotiating" since it's pretty obvious in this new environment that your agency isn't just going to come out and say you are entitled to something. If they refuse to pay and you lose your job (that you were going to lose anyway) then you have a stronger case to appeal it while you still get severance.

Uh, this isn't always true. If you're SES at my agency, you don't get a relocation package.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relocation package. lol.

For most feds, “negotiating a relocation package” has never been a thing.

Uh, you get a relocation package when you are forced to move to an office more than 50 miles away - this isn't at all the same as where you voluntarily apply for a new job across the country and move without a relocation package. You might have to bring it up in order to get it which is what I think the PP meant by "negotiating" since it's pretty obvious in this new environment that your agency isn't just going to come out and say you are entitled to something. If they refuse to pay and you lose your job (that you were going to lose anyway) then you have a stronger case to appeal it while you still get severance.

Uh, this isn't always true. If you're SES at my agency, you don't get a relocation package.

They would know that if they were SES.