Engineering and nursing are two areas that if you don't go to a top school, it's okay..

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Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

I wouldn’t group all “publics” together here. Two or Three are in the Top 5 of all engineering colleges. Just sayin.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

I wouldn’t group all “publics” together here. Two or Three are in the Top 5 of all engineering colleges. Just sayin.

Good to know that's what you would do.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

The engineering students at T20 schools are also recruited by consulting and finance. So it opens more doors if they want to broaden their prospects. But for real engineering work, most firms are going to prefer the UIUC or Georgia Tech grad over someone from Harvard or Yale, which are notoriously weak in engineering. But students going to T20 schools with solid engineering schools - Penn, Princeton, Cornell, Rice, MIT, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Columbia - have all the doors open, including in finance and consulting, which rarely recruit far outside the T20 or WASP.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

I wouldn’t group all “publics” together here. Two or Three are in the Top 5 of all engineering colleges. Just sayin.

You're absolutely right and that's exactly the point I was trying to make. With three publics in the T5 who needs Ivy League or other private colleges for engineering. If you can get into Cal, GT (even OOS for GT) or Michigan, or any of the other top-tier public engineering programs, paying private tuition becomes even harder to justify.

These top public programs consistently outrank Ivy League schools in engineering rankings, have stronger industry connections, more comprehensive research facilities, and alumni networks that are often more relevant to engineering careers. Why would you pay $60k annually for lesser programs at private schools?

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Anonymous wrote:You will find a job, correct? My know-it-all brother-in-law states this, he's in his 50's and doesn't except things have changed that requirements are more demanding. Other opinions?

There is a fundamental difference between nursing and engineering that you are minimizing…..
How many Nurses have you seen running a Fortune 1000 company?
I love Nurses, but please. By accepting to be a nurse you are be default accepting to be in a subservient position to others in your own health field (Doctors). This is not the case with Engineers.

1000%

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Anonymous wrote:Nursing for sure. My relative has a 2 year degree from a community college and she makes as much as other RNs. In fact, she's the charge nurse.

There's such a shortage of nurses that most of the others come from Caribbean schools.

There is no nursing shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:Nursing for sure. My relative has a 2 year degree from a community college and she makes as much as other RNs. In fact, she's the charge nurse.

There's such a shortage of nurses that most of the others come from Caribbean schools.

There is no nursing shortage.

Sorry, what?

https://www.registerednursing.org/articles/nursing-shortage-fact-sheet/

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Anonymous wrote:Top engineering firms only really actively recruit grads from the Top engineering schools. Not that other grads won’t eventually end up somewhere. They will just have a different path to get there.

This. Prestige matters for engineering at the top levels. There are about 15 ivy/privates and 5 publics that are far above the rest

Yes but remember there are thousands of students at each of these top schools and top companies will not hire them all, only the top students. So the average Joes there will end up in the same places as students from other colleges.

Not true

How is it not true? [b]Is every student from those top schools being scooped up by Jane St and the likes?[/b] At my workplace (not prestigious) I see plenty of interns/co-workers from MIT or GT but also VT or GMU.

More as a percentage than most other schools. That's the point.

So? Some take jobs at other places for all sorts of reasons personal to them. This anectdote means nothing.

Ok so like 5% from top schools get the tippy top jobs vs 0% from no name schools. Noted.[/quot

That’s an infinitely higher percentage.

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Anonymous wrote:Engineering is about to be replaced by AI... a lot of basic nursing functions too, but high level stuff will survive.

What basic nursing functions will be replaced by AI?

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

They don’t have equivalent career outcomes. Top privates have better outcomes because they are smaller and have higher caliber graduates.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

They don’t have equivalent career outcomes. Top privates have better outcomes because they are smaller and have higher caliber graduates.

Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

They don’t have equivalent career outcomes. Top privates have better outcomes because they are smaller and have higher caliber graduates.

Bless your heart!

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Anonymous wrote:Based on the enginerring discussion in this thread, it appears that most agree that only a small percentage of top students from elite schools see meaningful employment advantages. Given this reality, what justifies paying Ivy League or high-tier private tuition for an engineering degree when state flagships, regional universities, or lower-ranked private schools with merit aid can provide equivalent career outcomes?

The engineering students at T20 schools are also recruited by consulting and finance. So it opens more doors if they want to broaden their prospects. But for real engineering work, most firms are going to prefer the UIUC or Georgia Tech grad over someone from Harvard or Yale, which are notoriously weak in engineering. But students going to T20 schools with solid engineering schools - Penn, Princeton, Cornell, Rice, MIT, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Columbia - have all the doors open, including in finance and consulting, which rarely recruit far outside the T20 or WASP.

Vanderbilt is ranked #35 in engineering by USNW. So, not like the others.

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A top school for engineering, such as, say, Rose-Hulman, will offer more subfields of engineering than a school less renowned for engineering. For students with an interest in less common subfields, attending a top school may be beneficial.