Chisholm Elementary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dual Language Program and everything Principal Brann is doing is working. People complain about older staff leaving? Good riddance! All you parents complaining about the school? You are part of the problem! Parents that don't see the value in another language are definitely part of the problem. If it negatively affected test scores is one thing. The crazy thing is it not only did not affect them negatively, test scores have risen! The more of you difficult parents leave, the better the test scores of the school become. The more of you leave, the less I see bullying in the school. The big problem Chisolm had has been close minded, stubborn, racist, and angry parents and the more of you leave the better the school becomes. And I hope they do make the middle school happen. Would be great. We need a middle school option that performs better than Elliot Hine and Jefferson, so we can all stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer.

This post is deranged. You understand this is a public school, right? You are part of a public school system. And the PP is right -- most of the opposition to moving to all-immersion came from IB black families and the support for immersion is mostly coming from white families. So accusing the anti-immersion folks of racism is weird -- it's just different education priorities and not all families view a second language as an asset, especially if they don't speak that language, don't feel they can support it at home, and worry it will impact other academics negatively. These aren't crazy (or racist) concerns.

But okay, the shift happened. Now suddenly everyone is mad there isn't already an immersion middle on the Hill? What? Did you just learn this or something? All three Hill middles are improving and Jefferson is even looking into building out their Spanish program because of Chisolm, but this is not good enough and now you need your own middle? The entitlement here is intense. Do you understand that it is not the primary goal of DCPS to make sure your specific child is fluent in Spanish? That there may be other goals (and other children) that need to be served by the district?

And your final statement about how you need a dedicated immersion middle so you can "stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer" is especially bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students -- foreign language is just not the focus of the school and people often complain about the options available and the lack of options for more advanced language classes in middle school. If immersion is important to you, why would Basis be your "prayer" option anyway?

Rather, you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy. This is also why you view EH and Jefferson as "not good enough" even though both schools are improving, and why you view Basis as a sensible option for students going through an immersion elementary -- it's not really about the programming, it's about demographics. You live in a diverse city, in a majority black neighborhood, but you're mad that the district has not provided you with a majority white school path full of upper income families so your children can have the "right" peers.

Did I get that right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dual Language Program and everything Principal Brann is doing is working. People complain about older staff leaving? Good riddance! All you parents complaining about the school? You are part of the problem! Parents that don't see the value in another language are definitely part of the problem. If it negatively affected test scores is one thing. The crazy thing is it not only did not affect them negatively, test scores have risen! The more of you difficult parents leave, the better the test scores of the school become. The more of you leave, the less I see bullying in the school. The big problem Chisolm had has been close minded, stubborn, racist, and angry parents and the more of you leave the better the school becomes. And I hope they do make the middle school happen. Would be great. We need a middle school option that performs better than Elliot Hine and Jefferson, so we can all stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer.

This post is deranged. You understand this is a public school, right? You are part of a public school system. And the PP is right -- most of the opposition to moving to all-immersion came from IB black families and the support for immersion is mostly coming from white families. So accusing the anti-immersion folks of racism is weird -- it's just different education priorities and not all families view a second language as an asset, especially if they don't speak that language, don't feel they can support it at home, and worry it will impact other academics negatively. These aren't crazy (or racist) concerns.

But okay, the shift happened. Now suddenly everyone is mad there isn't already an immersion middle on the Hill? What? Did you just learn this or something? All three Hill middles are improving and Jefferson is even looking into building out their Spanish program because of Chisolm, but this is not good enough and now you need your own middle? The entitlement here is intense. Do you understand that it is not the primary goal of DCPS to make sure your specific child is fluent in Spanish? That there may be other goals (and other children) that need to be served by the district?

And your final statement about how you need a dedicated immersion middle so you can "stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer" is especially bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students -- foreign language is just not the focus of the school and people often complain about the options available and the lack of options for more advanced language classes in middle school. If immersion is important to you, why would Basis be your "prayer" option anyway?

Rather, you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy. This is also why you view EH and Jefferson as "not good enough" even though both schools are improving, and why you view Basis as a sensible option for students going through an immersion elementary -- it's not really about the programming, it's about demographics. You live in a diverse city, in a majority black neighborhood, but you're mad that the district has not provided you with a majority white school path full of upper income families so your children can have the "right" peers.

Did I get that right?

No? Why would DCPS create a Spanish immersion neighborhood elementary school and not have a corresponding Spanish immersion neighborhood middle and high school to go to afterward? Can you not see the stupidity of this?

[Anonymous]

except do you really need a small immersion middle school or would it be better to have a couple of classes in grades 6-8 be advanced spanish (spanish language, social studies in spanish, spanish literature) and then take other classes in english?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:except do you really need a small immersion middle school or would it be better to have a couple of classes in grades 6-8 be advanced spanish (spanish language, social studies in spanish, spanish literature) and then take other classes in english?

That seems like the best option: have a few classes in Spanish at Jefferson and keep the feeder pattern.
Anything beyond that should come with a wholesale re-evaluation of middle school for Eastern feeders. There are a lot of different ways that could change for the better, but making Chisholm an EC isn't one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dual Language Program and everything Principal Brann is doing is working. People complain about older staff leaving? Good riddance! All you parents complaining about the school? You are part of the problem! Parents that don't see the value in another language are definitely part of the problem. If it negatively affected test scores is one thing. The crazy thing is it not only did not affect them negatively, test scores have risen! The more of you difficult parents leave, the better the test scores of the school become. The more of you leave, the less I see bullying in the school. The big problem Chisolm had has been close minded, stubborn, racist, and angry parents and the more of you leave the better the school becomes. And I hope they do make the middle school happen. Would be great. We need a middle school option that performs better than Elliot Hine and Jefferson, so we can all stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer.

This post is deranged. You understand this is a public school, right? You are part of a public school system. And the PP is right -- most of the opposition to moving to all-immersion came from IB black families and the support for immersion is mostly coming from white families. So accusing the anti-immersion folks of racism is weird -- it's just different education priorities and not all families view a second language as an asset, especially if they don't speak that language, don't feel they can support it at home, and worry it will impact other academics negatively. These aren't crazy (or racist) concerns.

But okay, the shift happened. Now suddenly everyone is mad there isn't already an immersion middle on the Hill? What? Did you just learn this or something? All three Hill middles are improving and Jefferson is even looking into building out their Spanish program because of Chisolm, but this is not good enough and now you need your own middle? The entitlement here is intense. Do you understand that it is not the primary goal of DCPS to make sure your specific child is fluent in Spanish? That there may be other goals (and other children) that need to be served by the district?

And your final statement about how you need a dedicated immersion middle so you can "stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer" is especially bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students -- foreign language is just not the focus of the school and people often complain about the options available and the lack of options for more advanced language classes in middle school. If immersion is important to you, why would Basis be your "prayer" option anyway?

Rather, you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy. This is also why you view EH and Jefferson as "not good enough" even though both schools are improving, and why you view Basis as a sensible option for students going through an immersion elementary -- it's not really about the programming, it's about demographics. You live in a diverse city, in a majority black neighborhood, but you're mad that the district has not provided you with a majority white school path full of upper income families so your children can have the "right" peers.

Did I get that right?

No. You did not get that right. "deranged" is a dismissive statement. So great start. Again with the argument from ad populum. You are not the first to do it. If all the families on your block wanted to jump off a bridge would you do it too? Very racist to believe that the only racism that can possibly exist is anti-black. And in your racism you presume to know the race of those supporting Spanish, despite that I am not white and support Spanish immersion. My child could not speak spanish either, but I did this crazy thing called "teaching" my child. You may want to try it. The school then sets up the curriculum and you help your child with their homework and make sure they are on the right track. This is one of the biggest issues we have here. The parents that feel they shouldn't have to be involved in their childs education at all. That the school should just do all the teaching. This anti-spanish racism also is very obvious. What other reason would you have to oppose a program that unlike what you claim was feared (worry it will impact other academics negatively) resulted in the opposite? And when proven the opposite you double down and say you still don't want it? So you express disdain in your post against white parents, you dislike Spanish as well despite it having positive academic results on the children. How is this not all racist?

"bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students". Again you assume to know peoples race and now you addume to know peoples school preferences. A lot of ridiculous assumptions on your part. "All three Hill middles are improving" Not from what I've seen. The improvements are way too slow over time. In any case I don't see why they would stop improving? Why do you think they would stop improving?

"you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy" That is hillarious. I am not white, and you probably have a higher household income than I do. I also don't know what AAPI is and nor do I want anyone to be driven away that actually cares more about the school and its children doing well. The only people I want driven away are people like you that are hell bent on stopping positive progress and change. Principal Brann is amazing. Parents that sound like you full of hate, fear, xenophobia, you guys can go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dual Language Program and everything Principal Brann is doing is working. People complain about older staff leaving? Good riddance! All you parents complaining about the school? You are part of the problem! Parents that don't see the value in another language are definitely part of the problem. If it negatively affected test scores is one thing. The crazy thing is it not only did not affect them negatively, test scores have risen! The more of you difficult parents leave, the better the test scores of the school become. The more of you leave, the less I see bullying in the school. The big problem Chisolm had has been close minded, stubborn, racist, and angry parents and the more of you leave the better the school becomes. And I hope they do make the middle school happen. Would be great. We need a middle school option that performs better than Elliot Hine and Jefferson, so we can all stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer.

This post is deranged. You understand this is a public school, right? You are part of a public school system. And the PP is right -- most of the opposition to moving to all-immersion came from IB black families and the support for immersion is mostly coming from white families. So accusing the anti-immersion folks of racism is weird -- it's just different education priorities and not all families view a second language as an asset, especially if they don't speak that language, don't feel they can support it at home, and worry it will impact other academics negatively. These aren't crazy (or racist) concerns.

But okay, the shift happened. Now suddenly everyone is mad there isn't already an immersion middle on the Hill? What? Did you just learn this or something? All three Hill middles are improving and Jefferson is even looking into building out their Spanish program because of Chisolm, but this is not good enough and now you need your own middle? The entitlement here is intense. Do you understand that it is not the primary goal of DCPS to make sure your specific child is fluent in Spanish? That there may be other goals (and other children) that need to be served by the district?

And your final statement about how you need a dedicated immersion middle so you can "stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer" is especially bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students -- foreign language is just not the focus of the school and people often complain about the options available and the lack of options for more advanced language classes in middle school. If immersion is important to you, why would Basis be your "prayer" option anyway?

Rather, you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy. This is also why you view EH and Jefferson as "not good enough" even though both schools are improving, and why you view Basis as a sensible option for students going through an immersion elementary -- it's not really about the programming, it's about demographics. You live in a diverse city, in a majority black neighborhood, but you're mad that the district has not provided you with a majority white school path full of upper income families so your children can have the "right" peers.

Did I get that right?

No. You did not get that right. "deranged" is a dismissive statement. So great start. Again with the argument from ad populum. You are not the first to do it. If all the families on your block wanted to jump off a bridge would you do it too? Very racist to believe that the only racism that can possibly exist is anti-black. And in your racism you presume to know the race of those supporting Spanish, despite that I am not white and support Spanish immersion. My child could not speak spanish either, but I did this crazy thing called "teaching" my child. You may want to try it. The school then sets up the curriculum and you help your child with their homework and make sure they are on the right track. This is one of the biggest issues we have here. The parents that feel they shouldn't have to be involved in their childs education at all. That the school should just do all the teaching. This anti-spanish racism also is very obvious. What other reason would you have to oppose a program that unlike what you claim was feared (worry it will impact other academics negatively) resulted in the opposite? And when proven the opposite you double down and say you still don't want it? So you express disdain in your post against white parents, you dislike Spanish as well despite it having positive academic results on the children. How is this not all racist?

"bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students". Again you assume to know peoples race and now you addume to know peoples school preferences. A lot of ridiculous assumptions on your part. "All three Hill middles are improving" Not from what I've seen. The improvements are way too slow over time. In any case I don't see why they would stop improving? Why do you think they would stop improving?

"you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy" That is hillarious. I am not white, and you probably have a higher household income than I do. I also don't know what AAPI is and nor do I want anyone to be driven away that actually cares more about the school and its children doing well. The only people I want driven away are people like you that are hell bent on stopping positive progress and change. Principal Brann is amazing. Parents that sound like you full of hate, fear, xenophobia, you guys can go.

Not the PP, but lets start with the fact that Spanish is not a race, so "anti-Spanish racism" is not a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dual Language Program and everything Principal Brann is doing is working. People complain about older staff leaving? Good riddance! All you parents complaining about the school? You are part of the problem! Parents that don't see the value in another language are definitely part of the problem. If it negatively affected test scores is one thing. The crazy thing is it not only did not affect them negatively, test scores have risen! The more of you difficult parents leave, the better the test scores of the school become. The more of you leave, the less I see bullying in the school. The big problem Chisolm had has been close minded, stubborn, racist, and angry parents and the more of you leave the better the school becomes. And I hope they do make the middle school happen. Would be great. We need a middle school option that performs better than Elliot Hine and Jefferson, so we can all stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer.

This post is deranged. You understand this is a public school, right? You are part of a public school system. And the PP is right -- most of the opposition to moving to all-immersion came from IB black families and the support for immersion is mostly coming from white families. So accusing the anti-immersion folks of racism is weird -- it's just different education priorities and not all families view a second language as an asset, especially if they don't speak that language, don't feel they can support it at home, and worry it will impact other academics negatively. These aren't crazy (or racist) concerns.

But okay, the shift happened. Now suddenly everyone is mad there isn't already an immersion middle on the Hill? What? Did you just learn this or something? All three Hill middles are improving and Jefferson is even looking into building out their Spanish program because of Chisolm, but this is not good enough and now you need your own middle? The entitlement here is intense. Do you understand that it is not the primary goal of DCPS to make sure your specific child is fluent in Spanish? That there may be other goals (and other children) that need to be served by the district?

And your final statement about how you need a dedicated immersion middle so you can "stop fighting to make it to Basis Middle School on a prayer" is especially bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students -- foreign language is just not the focus of the school and people often complain about the options available and the lack of options for more advanced language classes in middle school. If immersion is important to you, why would Basis be your "prayer" option anyway?

Rather, you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy. This is also why you view EH and Jefferson as "not good enough" even though both schools are improving, and why you view Basis as a sensible option for students going through an immersion elementary -- it's not really about the programming, it's about demographics. You live in a diverse city, in a majority black neighborhood, but you're mad that the district has not provided you with a majority white school path full of upper income families so your children can have the "right" peers.

Did I get that right?

No. You did not get that right. "deranged" is a dismissive statement. So great start. Again with the argument from ad populum. You are not the first to do it. If all the families on your block wanted to jump off a bridge would you do it too? Very racist to believe that the only racism that can possibly exist is anti-black. And in your racism you presume to know the race of those supporting Spanish, despite that I am not white and support Spanish immersion. My child could not speak spanish either, but I did this crazy thing called "teaching" my child. You may want to try it. The school then sets up the curriculum and you help your child with their homework and make sure they are on the right track. This is one of the biggest issues we have here. The parents that feel they shouldn't have to be involved in their childs education at all. That the school should just do all the teaching. This anti-spanish racism also is very obvious. What other reason would you have to oppose a program that unlike what you claim was feared (worry it will impact other academics negatively) resulted in the opposite? And when proven the opposite you double down and say you still don't want it? So you express disdain in your post against white parents, you dislike Spanish as well despite it having positive academic results on the children. How is this not all racist?

"bizarre because Basis is not that desirable of an option for immersion students". Again you assume to know peoples race and now you addume to know peoples school preferences. A lot of ridiculous assumptions on your part. "All three Hill middles are improving" Not from what I've seen. The improvements are way too slow over time. In any case I don't see why they would stop improving? Why do you think they would stop improving?

"you sound like an entitled and wealthy white or AAPI parent who likes immersion at Chisolm specifically because it will drive away poor and black families, and your real goal is a school that is majority white and majority UMC or wealthy" That is hillarious. I am not white, and you probably have a higher household income than I do. I also don't know what AAPI is and nor do I want anyone to be driven away that actually cares more about the school and its children doing well. The only people I want driven away are people like you that are hell bent on stopping positive progress and change. Principal Brann is amazing. Parents that sound like you full of hate, fear, xenophobia, you guys can go.

They are not presuming the race of those who supported Chisholm's turn to 100% dual language. If you are at the school, it was well known. I actually am a prior PP and support the direction Chisholm has gone, but calling people "anti-Spanish" racists is pretty unhinged.

[Anonymous]

there is a long history to chisholm becoming a fully spanish immersion school. ultimately, most people think it was a good decision because the strand model was dividing priorities (its hard to be good at everything), there are lots of other high quality elementary school options nearby including the sister school rights to payne, and neighborhood buy-in the early grades seems to overall be up. for better or worse, the middle school effort appears to be somewhat driven by younger parents who seem motivated partly by rumors that the neighborhood middle schools are bad.

[Anonymous]

Where will Chisolm move to next year for it's temporary location while they renovate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where will Chisolm move to next year for it's temporary location while they renovate?

Spingarn, where J.O. Wilson temporarily is now.

[Anonymous]

Will there be buses departing from Chisolm to the new location in the morning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will there be buses departing from Chisolm to the new location in the morning?

I assume so. DCPS ran buses even from SWS to Spingarn, which was much closer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will there be buses departing from Chisolm to the new location in the morning?

I assume so. DCPS ran buses even from SWS to Spingarn, which was much closer.

Definitely will be buses. They have to provide transportation.

[Anonymous]

On the renovation/improvement plan: which upcoming academic year/s will require children to be bussed? Moving to the area next year and this school was on our list. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

all years will be bussed to the alternative site during the renovation. you can go elsewhere nearby during the renovation but its hard to join immersion after 1st grade. immersion should help the school some in retaining students through the renovation years.