Question for Republicans. What do you think about Musk being given the access that he's been granted?

[Anonymous]

Not sure our Congress is productive nor effective. The average age at least needs to come down - the ones in power are all age 75+ - I just don't see how anyone can suggest that Congress should have control over anything. I'm not a supporter of Musk and also worry he has too much control. No, I don't trust him BUT - here's a big one - he's bringing a new game. Congress is the same old BS and I don't trust them anymore than I trust Musk. At least with Musk being new, and his predilection of using social media and posting all the time and the fact he is business v. politics by trade, there's going to be more public scrutiny and debate at least over what he's doing. When Congress and the old folks run the show, it's a rigged game, admit it.

The truth is, we're in bad shape as a country. Whether it was Trump/Musk or current Congress (status quo/Kamala) running things, our near future sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure our Congress is productive nor effective. The average age at least needs to come down - the ones in power are all age 75+ - I just don't see how anyone can suggest that Congress should have control over anything. I'm not a supporter of Musk and also worry he has too much control. No, I don't trust him BUT - here's a big one - he's bringing a new game. Congress is the same old BS and I don't trust them anymore than I trust Musk. At least with Musk being new, and his predilection of using social media and posting all the time and the fact he is business v. politics by trade, there's going to be more public scrutiny and debate at least over what he's doing. When Congress and the old folks run the show, it's a rigged game, admit it.

The truth is, we're in bad shape as a country. Whether it was Trump/Musk or current Congress (status quo/Kamala) running things, our near future sucks.

So you're just going to come out here and trash Article I of the Constitution. This is fine.

[Anonymous]

Presidential pardons have been part of a President's powers since the beginning of our Democracy. Whatever Elon is doing (and we don't know exactly what he's doing, do we?) has not. It's unprecedented and unconstitutional. If what's going on now doesn't tell you why those pardons were needed, then you're not paying attention.

What do you mean, "ground shifted?" Do you think Biden's pardons in any way justify what's going on with Musk right now? They don't.

And Biden's pardons were given in order to keep Trump from going on a deranged unwarranted witch hunt after people who committed no crimes. Not that he isn't trying to do that anyhow.

Those pardons have nothing to do with inserting Elon Musk in a position of complete control over our government systems with no authority.

Dr. Fauci retired over a year ago and served in the government under multiple administrations. Has no connection to what’s going on now under Trump—but great attempt at whataboutism!

Responding to all three of these together.

If what Fauci, Milley, and the J6 Committee did is effectively beyond governmental review because they were pardoned (whether you agreed with their actions or not and whether you agreed with the pardon or not), then Musk and his people can also be pardoned and effectively be placed beyond governmental oversight (whether you agree with what he is doing or not and whether you agree with him being pardoned or not).

This ain’t whataboutism. This is the shoe on the other foot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a $1.83 trillion budget deficit last year. Unsustainable. Musk thinks he can cut a trillion in spending. Good, let’s see what he comes up with. His experience at Twitter showed him that three quarters of the people employed there were useless at best.

But Twitter is no longer making money so not sure about this statement.

The government's job is not to make money either, so it won't matter in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Presidential pardons have been part of a President's powers since the beginning of our Democracy. Whatever Elon is doing (and we don't know exactly what he's doing, do we?) has not. It's unprecedented and unconstitutional. If what's going on now doesn't tell you why those pardons were needed, then you're not paying attention.

What do you mean, "ground shifted?" Do you think Biden's pardons in any way justify what's going on with Musk right now? They don't.

And Biden's pardons were given in order to keep Trump from going on a deranged unwarranted witch hunt after people who committed no crimes. Not that he isn't trying to do that anyhow.

Those pardons have nothing to do with inserting Elon Musk in a position of complete control over our government systems with no authority.

Dr. Fauci retired over a year ago and served in the government under multiple administrations. Has no connection to what’s going on now under Trump—but great attempt at whataboutism!

Responding to all three of these together.

If what Fauci, Milley, and the J6 Committee did is effectively beyond governmental review because they were pardoned (whether you agreed with their actions or not and whether you agreed with the pardon or not), then Musk and his people can also be pardoned and effectively be placed beyond governmental oversight (whether you agree with what he is doing or not and whether you agree with him being pardoned or not).

This ain’t whataboutism. This is the shoe on the other foot.

I personally don't care if Elon Musk is pardoned. I just want him to stop behaving as if he is our King because we don't have those. And if we did have those, he is doing a terrible job at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are loving it on conservative Reddit.

That is insane. Musk is a private citizen and an immigrant. How can they support him having that access?

Because they aren't smart. They are hell bent on owning the Dems without any thought that this affects them too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Presidential pardons have been part of a President's powers since the beginning of our Democracy. Whatever Elon is doing (and we don't know exactly what he's doing, do we?) has not. It's unprecedented and unconstitutional. If what's going on now doesn't tell you why those pardons were needed, then you're not paying attention.

What do you mean, "ground shifted?" Do you think Biden's pardons in any way justify what's going on with Musk right now? They don't.

And Biden's pardons were given in order to keep Trump from going on a deranged unwarranted witch hunt after people who committed no crimes. Not that he isn't trying to do that anyhow.

Those pardons have nothing to do with inserting Elon Musk in a position of complete control over our government systems with no authority.

Dr. Fauci retired over a year ago and served in the government under multiple administrations. Has no connection to what’s going on now under Trump—but great attempt at whataboutism!

Responding to all three of these together.

If what Fauci, Milley, and the J6 Committee did is effectively beyond governmental review because they were pardoned (whether you agreed with their actions or not and whether you agreed with the pardon or not), then Musk and his people can also be pardoned and effectively be placed beyond governmental oversight (whether you agree with what he is doing or not and whether you agree with him being pardoned or not).

This ain’t whataboutism. This is the shoe on the other foot.

I personally don't care if Elon Musk is pardoned. I just want him to stop behaving as if he is our King because we don't have those. And if we did have those, he is doing a terrible job at it.

The president gave Musk the power to do this. It's really that simple. Trump can also remove Musk at any time and maybe he will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen zero justification for turning over decision-making and control of our government to an unelected private individual. You cannot replace Congress or our co-equal branches of government balances this way. If Congress doesn’t act, I expect a lot of this will be challenged in court (not the best because it’s costly and slow).

What actual legal authority is there for our government to operate this way? Seems to be exactly what the founders sought to avoid (centralized power at the hands of the wealthy few).

Imagine if Biden had installed someone like George Soros inside the US government to start controlling everything. It would be completely unacceptable (and I suspect we’d hear that from GOP members of Congress).

To answer your question the Federal bureaucracy sits squarely under the Executive Branch. It belongs to that one of the three branches of the government, it does not sit under Congress or SCOTUS. Which is why, for example, agencies and bureaucrats routinely deny to answer questions in Congressional probes. It can be legitimately argued by constitutional scholars that some of the laws Congress passed affecting the bureaucracy are actually unlawful. The constitution makes clear the Executive branch runs the government, not Congress or SCOTUS.

That is most likely why there's this state of paralysis and no real confidence in lawsuits doing anything more than temporarily halt the EOs affecting the bureaucracy.

As for OP's question, I don't consider myself a Republican but I approve most of what I see Musk doing if just because all his actions is bringing far more transparency into an extremely opaque system of agencies and unelected senior bureaucrats.

I find it hilarious that folks think Musk is being more transparent about government. Particularly when government undergoes multiple audits, files hundreds of reports, attends and host numerous conferences and presentations and use to have lots of meetings (viewable on C-SPAN) to inform on exactly what is going on. Now things are just being destroyed and folks fired but people have no real idea WHY except because Elon said so or they are Trump enemies.

It’s like because some people didn’t pay attention they believe there was no transparency yet because Trump keeps talking (about nothing) people believe they now have some.😁

Objectivity is useful. I've worked adjacent to the Feds for decades. We have seen and learned far more about various agencies' spending and actions in the last few days than we have in a decade or two. I know how difficult, cumbersome and tiresome it is to find out about spending histories. The FOIA is fighting the bureaucracy to get basic disclosures and quite often a lot of stuff is simply stonewalled off. Agencies are summoned to Congress to testify all the time and regularly say they can't say this or that because it's all protected by secrecy acts or whatever.

By contrast, Musk is posting endless screenshots of his discoveries every day and boasting about his actions. He is telling us way more about what he's doing and agencies are doing than the agencies themselves ever told us in my entire life. It's astonishing what is coming to light. And I suspect we will learn a lot more. But there will be people who will forever bury their heads in the sand because government and bureaucrats can do no wrong. Ever. We understand that's how you think. So I'm not paying much attention to angry people right now. Because the revelations aren't going to stop and I would also advise people to be a bit cautious before being overly defensive. We're going to see and learn a lot more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk is rich because he is a genius and he earned it. He deserves every penny.

I love my President Trump.

Oh, and by the way, I got mine.

- Signed a MAGA 65-year-old white man who couldn't care less about anyone or anything but myself

Perfect example of who MAGA is. This is a pathetic power grab by old white men who are becoming irrelevant and being replaced by more competent women and people of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Presidential pardons have been part of a President's powers since the beginning of our Democracy. Whatever Elon is doing (and we don't know exactly what he's doing, do we?) has not. It's unprecedented and unconstitutional. If what's going on now doesn't tell you why those pardons were needed, then you're not paying attention.

What do you mean, "ground shifted?" Do you think Biden's pardons in any way justify what's going on with Musk right now? They don't.

And Biden's pardons were given in order to keep Trump from going on a deranged unwarranted witch hunt after people who committed no crimes. Not that he isn't trying to do that anyhow.

Those pardons have nothing to do with inserting Elon Musk in a position of complete control over our government systems with no authority.

Dr. Fauci retired over a year ago and served in the government under multiple administrations. Has no connection to what’s going on now under Trump—but great attempt at whataboutism!

Responding to all three of these together.

If what Fauci, Milley, and the J6 Committee did is effectively beyond governmental review because they were pardoned (whether you agreed with their actions or not and whether you agreed with the pardon or not), then Musk and his people can also be pardoned and effectively be placed beyond governmental oversight (whether you agree with what he is doing or not and whether you agree with him being pardoned or not).

This ain’t whataboutism. This is the shoe on the other foot.

I personally don't care if Elon Musk is pardoned. I just want him to stop behaving as if he is our King because we don't have those. And if we did have those, he is doing a terrible job at it.

The president gave Musk the power to do this. It's really that simple. Trump can also remove Musk at any time and maybe he will.

But he doesn't have the right, according to our constitution, to give him that power. He simply doesn't. Unless we've decided the Constitution is toilet paper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Presidential pardons have been part of a President's powers since the beginning of our Democracy. Whatever Elon is doing (and we don't know exactly what he's doing, do we?) has not. It's unprecedented and unconstitutional. If what's going on now doesn't tell you why those pardons were needed, then you're not paying attention.

What do you mean, "ground shifted?" Do you think Biden's pardons in any way justify what's going on with Musk right now? They don't.

And Biden's pardons were given in order to keep Trump from going on a deranged unwarranted witch hunt after people who committed no crimes. Not that he isn't trying to do that anyhow.

Those pardons have nothing to do with inserting Elon Musk in a position of complete control over our government systems with no authority.

Dr. Fauci retired over a year ago and served in the government under multiple administrations. Has no connection to what’s going on now under Trump—but great attempt at whataboutism!

Responding to all three of these together.

If what Fauci, Milley, and the J6 Committee did is effectively beyond governmental review because they were pardoned (whether you agreed with their actions or not and whether you agreed with the pardon or not), then Musk and his people can also be pardoned and effectively be placed beyond governmental oversight (whether you agree with what he is doing or not and whether you agree with him being pardoned or not).

This ain’t whataboutism. This is the shoe on the other foot.

I personally don't care if Elon Musk is pardoned. I just want him to stop behaving as if he is our King because we don't have those. And if we did have those, he is doing a terrible job at it.

The president gave Musk the power to do this. It's really that simple. Trump can also remove Musk at any time and maybe he will.

The president doesn't have the authority to change the spending priorities authorized by the Congress. So no, Musk doesn't have that authority either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen zero justification for turning over decision-making and control of our government to an unelected private individual. You cannot replace Congress or our co-equal branches of government balances this way. If Congress doesn’t act, I expect a lot of this will be challenged in court (not the best because it’s costly and slow).

What actual legal authority is there for our government to operate this way? Seems to be exactly what the founders sought to avoid (centralized power at the hands of the wealthy few).

Imagine if Biden had installed someone like George Soros inside the US government to start controlling everything. It would be completely unacceptable (and I suspect we’d hear that from GOP members of Congress).

To answer your question the Federal bureaucracy sits squarely under the Executive Branch. It belongs to that one of the three branches of the government, it does not sit under Congress or SCOTUS. Which is why, for example, agencies and bureaucrats routinely deny to answer questions in Congressional probes. It can be legitimately argued by constitutional scholars that some of the laws Congress passed affecting the bureaucracy are actually unlawful. The constitution makes clear the Executive branch runs the government, not Congress or SCOTUS.

That is most likely why there's this state of paralysis and no real confidence in lawsuits doing anything more than temporarily halt the EOs affecting the bureaucracy.

As for OP's question, I don't consider myself a Republican but I approve most of what I see Musk doing if just because all his actions is bringing far more transparency into an extremely opaque system of agencies and unelected senior bureaucrats.

I find it hilarious that folks think Musk is being more transparent about government. Particularly when government undergoes multiple audits, files hundreds of reports, attends and host numerous conferences and presentations and use to have lots of meetings (viewable on C-SPAN) to inform on exactly what is going on. Now things are just being destroyed and folks fired but people have no real idea WHY except because Elon said so or they are Trump enemies.

It’s like because some people didn’t pay attention they believe there was no transparency yet because Trump keeps talking (about nothing) people believe they now have some.😁

Objectivity is useful. I've worked adjacent to the Feds for decades. We have seen and learned far more about various agencies' spending and actions in the last few days than we have in a decade or two. I know how difficult, cumbersome and tiresome it is to find out about spending histories. The FOIA is fighting the bureaucracy to get basic disclosures and quite often a lot of stuff is simply stonewalled off. Agencies are summoned to Congress to testify all the time and regularly say they can't say this or that because it's all protected by secrecy acts or whatever.

By contrast, Musk is posting endless screenshots of his discoveries every day and boasting about his actions. He is telling us way more about what he's doing and agencies are doing than the agencies themselves ever told us in my entire life. It's astonishing what is coming to light. And I suspect we will learn a lot more. But there will be people who will forever bury their heads in the sand because government and bureaucrats can do no wrong. Ever. We understand that's how you think. So I'm not paying much attention to angry people right now. Because the revelations aren't going to stop and I would also advise people to be a bit cautious before being overly defensive. We're going to see and learn a lot more.

You believe what Musk is posting as factual and true? That is some leap of faith there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk is rich because he is a genius and he earned it. He deserves every penny.

I love my President Trump.

Oh, and by the way, I got mine.

- Signed a MAGA 65-year-old white man who couldn't care less about anyone or anything but myself

Yeah I know you. You're a predictable and insufferable bore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk is rich because he is a genius and he earned it. He deserves every penny.

I love my President Trump.

Oh, and by the way, I got mine.

- Signed a MAGA 65-year-old white man who couldn't care less about anyone or anything but myself

Yeah I know you. You're a predictable and insufferable bore.

Come on, PP That's obviously either parody or a troll post. That being said, it rings true, at least for the MAGA I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon Musk is rich because he is a genius and he earned it. He deserves every penny.

I love my President Trump.

Oh, and by the way, I got mine.

- Signed a MAGA 65-year-old white man who couldn't care less about anyone or anything but myself

Yeah I know you. You're a predictable and insufferable bore.

also, kinda pathetic and creepy that you are hanging out on a mom's message board.