All foreign aid halted

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Anonymous wrote:Power abhors a vacuum.

China will quietly swoop in to every country where we cut aid and our influence and power in the world will shrink and weaken.

Shove the Cold War boogeyman BS …

I mean, it's true though. Should we be the most powerful nation in the world? Doesn't matter. We won't be.

No we don’t need to be the most powerful nation in the world.

Democrats love to say that the US is a big bully, full of white oppressors. And now we won’t be. The US never colonized any African nation, we don’t owe them anything.



Yes the US did. You people are so uneducated.

Which ones?

How about...um....this land? DP

The US is in Africa?! Man, I did sleep a lot in high school, but had no idea.

Here look over these flags and try to identify which one was a colony of the US

https://www.mostphotos.com/en-us/4082849/flags-of-africa

While Liberia has an interesting history and historic ties to the USA, it was never a US colony. Not really sure how it matters in this context though.

Because OP and others are saying we owe African people our money because we colonized them.

And I’m pointing out (you too) that the US never colonized any African nation.

Israel colonized us, some would say.

^ there's a non-zero probability that some of the posters here on DCUM also frequent websites featuring stereotypical images of greedy Jewish bankers with big noses feasting on gentile babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And definitely in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Power abhors a vacuum.

China will quietly swoop in to every country where we cut aid and our influence and power in the world will shrink and weaken.

Shove the Cold War boogeyman BS …

I mean, it's true though. Should we be the most powerful nation in the world? Doesn't matter. We won't be.

No we don’t need to be the most powerful nation in the world.

Democrats love to say that the US is a big bully, full of white oppressors. And now we won’t be. The US never colonized any African nation, we don’t owe them anything.



Yes the US did. You people are so uneducated.

Which ones?

How about...um....this land? DP

The US is in Africa?! Man, I did sleep a lot in high school, but had no idea.

Here look over these flags and try to identify which one was a colony of the US

https://www.mostphotos.com/en-us/4082849/flags-of-africa

While Liberia has an interesting history and historic ties to the USA, it was never a US colony. Not really sure how it matters in this context though.

Because OP and others are saying we owe African people our money because we colonized them.

And I’m pointing out (you too) that the US never colonized any African nation.

Israel colonized us, some would say.

^ there's a non-zero probability that some of the posters here on DCUM also frequent websites featuring stereotypical images of greedy Jewish bankers with big noses feasting on gentile babies.

No the RWNJs on here are the ones running those websites. Soros!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Power abhors a vacuum.

China will quietly swoop in to every country where we cut aid and our influence and power in the world will shrink and weaken.

Shove the Cold War boogeyman BS …

I mean, it's true though. Should we be the most powerful nation in the world? Doesn't matter. We won't be.

No we don’t need to be the most powerful nation in the world.

Democrats love to say that the US is a big bully, full of white oppressors. And now we won’t be. The US never colonized any African nation, we don’t owe them anything.



Yes the US did. You people are so uneducated.

Which ones?

How about...um....this land? DP

The US is in Africa?! Man, I did sleep a lot in high school, but had no idea.

Here look over these flags and try to identify which one was a colony of the US

https://www.mostphotos.com/en-us/4082849/flags-of-africa

While Liberia has an interesting history and historic ties to the USA, it was never a US colony. Not really sure how it matters in this context though.

Because OP and others are saying we owe African people our money because we colonized them.

And I’m pointing out (you too) that the US never colonized any African nation.

Israel colonized us, some would say.

^ there's a non-zero probability that some of the posters here on DCUM also frequent websites featuring stereotypical images of greedy Jewish bankers with big noses feasting on gentile babies.

There’s also a non-zero probability that some of the posters here on DCUM also frequent websites featuring stereotypical images of unprovoked Arabs with big noses committing acts of terrorism from the moment they leave the womb.

Civilized individuals here on DCUM and elsewhere find both types of posters to be disgusting wastes of space.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And definitely in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

The US relies heavily on NGOs and foreign partnerships, and that's where all the money goes. China does more direct work. They directly build and staff the hospitals, for example. This is extremely effective, that is the tactic that Hamas and Hezbollah have used as well. Directly build and support schools and hospitals and the people will be far more aligned with you than some random NGO or local org.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And definitely in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

The US relies heavily on NGOs and foreign partnerships, and that's where all the money goes. China does more direct work. They directly build and staff the hospitals, for example. This is extremely effective, that is the tactic that Hamas and Hezbollah have used as well. Directly build and support schools and hospitals and the people will be far more aligned with you than some random NGO or local org.

The US doesn't want to look like we are directly involved in foreign governments. We prefer NGOs or providing aid funding that is quickly comsumed by the graft and corruption of the local government. Of course, you can't see the CIA attempting to topple the local government until they fail, like all of our heavy handed attempts it also ruins our reputation with the populace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Power abhors a vacuum.

China will quietly swoop in to every country where we cut aid and our influence and power in the world will shrink and weaken.

You are on the late train. China has already strategically maneuvered into countries with abundant natural resources in Africa. Chinese aid is linked with China’s investment, trade, and foreign policy objectives.

The Chinese enterprises have tactically funded and constructed, expanded, or refurbished a minimum of 24 presidential or prime ministerial residences or offices; at least 26 parliamentary buildings or offices; no fewer than 32 military or police facilities; at least 19 foreign affairs ministry offices; and a minimum of 14 critical intra-governmental telecommunications networks.

China’s has a monopoly over mining in Africa’s copper belt (the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zambia), and its substantive recent investments into lithium production in Zimbabwe, which holds Africa’s largest reserves of lithium. These investments allow China to dictate the global supply chain for renewable batteries and electric vehicles (EVs).

No they have not done it quietly. While most Americans were too busy trying to keep up with the Kardashians (remember that decade?) and being distracted by TikTok for the last, China has already done much around the world. US was playing catch up. they sent in Dr. Biden to make deals. You know Dr. Jill Biden who was President for the last four years, our country's second woman President (after HRC was co-President in '92).

Correction. Nancy Reagan was the first woman president.

[Anonymous]

Trump in office is working out beautifully for China and Russia’s plans for a new world order. All Republican Congress is a cherry on top.

Putin is involved in South America with trade relationships, oil corps with Venezuela plus a lot more. Putin’s goal is to turn the countries against the US. No problem there with Trump as president. Russia’s Allies are Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. Bolivia, Brazil and El Salvador abstained from voting against Russia for the Ukraine invasion so they will be the next Allies.

Putin is winning

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And definitely in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

The US relies heavily on NGOs and foreign partnerships, and that's where all the money goes. China does more direct work. They directly build and staff the hospitals, for example. This is extremely effective, that is the tactic that Hamas and Hezbollah have used as well. Directly build and support schools and hospitals and the people will be far more aligned with you than some random NGO or local org.

The US doesn't want to look like we are directly involved in foreign governments. We prefer NGOs or providing aid funding that is quickly comsumed by the graft and corruption of the local government. Of course, you can't see the CIA attempting to topple the local government until they fail, like all of our heavy handed attempts it also ruins our reputation with the populace.

This.

China uses NGOs and foreign aid is given to help themselves. This key concept is because of its communist government in that China believes in helping China.

The prob with the US and I say this as not a Trump fan, is that the US doesn't operate as a whole - it's not all about the US and that's a prob. So while we have a whole NGO industry supplying compassion and helping the down and outs in foreign countries, we've got the US gov via CIA and other govt entities working for the US govt. China works as a communist would - as a collective. But in this context, it's effective and the right approach philosophically. Everyone's together.

What Trump is doing in effect is ridding the separation of orgs doing one thing and the govt doing another. Is that right to do in the context of the American way? Prob not. It uproots a lot if history and it stops a lot if good being done prob by OP and NGOs as a while. However, long term and as a model of effectiveness, what Trump would succeed in doing is taking a collective approach. Not agreeing with his approach necessarily but it doesn't separate and make things more complex for the US from a foreign policy perspective. I get it. I get why he's doing it. There are things that other countries do that are better than what we do. China does foreign policy better even if you don't want to admit it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And
in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

China is a communist country. Since when do Americans read snippets of Chinese propaganda and forget the evil of communism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And
in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

China is a communist country. Since when do Americans read snippets of Chinese propaganda and forget the evil of communism.

Ugh. People like you are such fools. The evil of communism? How about the evil of American healthcare. The evil of supporting mass murderer Israel? The evil of having elected orange monster? Man, the US may be a democracy but don't believe for a second we don't do as many if not more shady things than any other country, communist ones included. You have no idea how happy most Chinese are in major cities there by the way. Communism is alike every other system - there's some good and some bad about it. Right now we have a convicted felon running our democratic country..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Power abhors a vacuum.

China will quietly swoop in to every country where we cut aid and our influence and power in the world will shrink and weaken.

You are on the late train. China has already strategically maneuvered into countries with abundant natural resources in Africa. Chinese aid is linked with China’s investment, trade, and foreign policy objectives.

The Chinese enterprises have tactically funded and constructed, expanded, or refurbished a minimum of 24 presidential or prime ministerial residences or offices; at least 26 parliamentary buildings or offices; no fewer than 32 military or police facilities; at least 19 foreign affairs ministry offices; and a minimum of 14 critical intra-governmental telecommunications networks.

China’s has a monopoly over mining in Africa’s copper belt (the Democratic Republic of Congo and Zambia), and its substantive recent investments into lithium production in Zimbabwe, which holds Africa’s largest reserves of lithium. These investments allow China to dictate the global supply chain for renewable batteries and electric vehicles (EVs).

No they have not done it quietly. While most Americans were too busy trying to keep up with the Kardashians (remember that decade?) and being distracted by TikTok for the last, China has already done much around the world. US was playing catch up. they sent in Dr. Biden to make deals. You know Dr. Jill Biden who was President for the last four years, our country's second woman President (after HRC was co-President in '92).

Correction. Nancy Reagan was the first woman president.

Ha ha. Recentism. See Edith Wilson. So much education on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And definitely in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

The US relies heavily on NGOs and foreign partnerships, and that's where all the money goes. China does more direct work. They directly build and staff the hospitals, for example. This is extremely effective, that is the tactic that Hamas and Hezbollah have used as well. Directly build and support schools and hospitals and the people will be far more aligned with you than some random NGO or local org.

The US doesn't want to look like we are directly involved in foreign governments. We prefer NGOs or providing aid funding that is quickly comsumed by the graft and corruption of the local government. Of course, you can't see the CIA attempting to topple the local government until they fail, like all of our heavy handed attempts it also ruins our reputation with the populace.

This.

China uses NGOs and foreign aid is given to help themselves. This key concept is because of its communist government in that China believes in helping China.

The prob with the US and I say this as not a Trump fan, is that the US doesn't operate as a whole - it's not all about the US and that's a prob. So while we have a whole NGO industry supplying compassion and helping the down and outs in foreign countries, we've got the US gov via CIA and other govt entities working for the US govt. China works as a communist would - as a collective. But in this context, it's effective and the right approach philosophically. Everyone's together.

What Trump is doing in effect is ridding the separation of orgs doing one thing and the govt doing another. Is that right to do in the context of the American way? Prob not. It uproots a lot if history and it stops a lot if good being done prob by OP and NGOs as a while. However, long term and as a model of effectiveness, what Trump would succeed in doing is taking a collective approach. Not agreeing with his approach necessarily but it doesn't separate and make things more complex for the US from a foreign policy perspective. I get it. I get why he's doing it. There are things that other countries do that are better than what we do. China does foreign policy better even if you don't want to admit it.

The way China does “aid” is very different as you point out. My NGO doesn’t think of American power as our objective. Our objective is health care for the poorest people on earth. The US used to think the poorest people having health care (so they don’t spread contagious disease to us, or migrate) as in the US interest and so worth the investment. China doesn’t do that sort of aid. Their aid is “do you need a road or port to get your good to us and our goods to you? We’ll build you one.” It is transactional and keeps the power clearly with China.

Rubio was crystal clear that the kind of aid I do - partnerships with other, local NGOs, sharing power, building skills so health systems don’t need our support, working with communities to advocate for their local governments to fund their clinics and hospitals, etc. is unwanted.

Since the NGOs that currently implement most of USAID’s work don’t have the mission to do the transactional work that a foreign aid approach like China’s uses our NGO sector will shrivel. Which is the point. But I hope anyone who cares about Americans and about public health can spare a moment to have some compassion for the thousands of people now losing their jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to rethink how we go about foreign aid.

U.S. foreign assistance is primarily in the form of grants focusing on public health, economic development, and democratic governance in a multitude of countries.

And so much of US aid is stolen. Here is one article from AP "Millions of Ethiopians go hungry again as international aid is paused after massive theft". The US has given Ethiopia 1.8 billion dollars since 2022


China is more selective which countries in Africa and provides loans and aid for infrastructure and mining. Then these projects are required to use Chinese construction firms and companies to build. China has financed a major railroad line from Ethiopia to Djibouti so Ethiopia can export products easier to China

China has the right idea here IMO. We can help others in a way that helps America. And definitely in ways that have a lot more accountability and less prone to theft.

The US relies heavily on NGOs and foreign partnerships, and that's where all the money goes. China does more direct work. They directly build and staff the hospitals, for example. This is extremely effective, that is the tactic that Hamas and Hezbollah have used as well. Directly build and support schools and hospitals and the people will be far more aligned with you than some random NGO or local org.

Agree. The NGOs cause problems even in the US,let alone abroad. And the corruption is extreme.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to our senior citizens? You know, the ones that were hippies in the 60’s and wanted to spread love and peace? They should be in their late 60’s and 70’s. And they voted for this guy?

The 60s were 60 years ago. Hippies from that era, those still alive, are now in their 80s and likely did not vote for trump. It was young men that got him elected

Young men and blacks. Two groups (esp blacks which I am) dcum thinks they can count on to vote they way they want. Ha! Joke was on them, wasn’t it. How bout that scolding of black men Obama did? That worked so well.

Heeheehee. You sure showed everyone! Check back in four years and gloat some more, idiot. We’ll see where you are.