University of Chicago ED rejection?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC got constant mailings from them but if he applied would be TO and likely rejected. It’s like the only thing they knew about him was his test score and they wanted him to apply so they could reject him and get their numbers up. Kinda sick if you think about it but not the only school that lures kids into the reject pile.

I feel you, but my kid applied with perfect scores, NMSF, great grades and rejected. Applied EA. It sucks.

[Anonymous]

“Your kid does not seriously love Chiacago, if it's a solid 4th best. Chicago doesn't want to be the fallback plan for students who prefer "HYP". Preferring "HYP" is an obvious, on obviously signal that you aren't serious considering school fit. Those are very different schools.”

I think this overstates “fit.” There can be a bunch of reasons to like different schools. And a kid might think the professional boost that goes with HYP outweighs the great things about Chicago (but that the same is not true for other ivies). I was reacting in part to claim that no one prefers Chicago to Cornell Brown Dartmouth etc. my kid does for sure!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dean of Admissions said that there were 1000 accepted students. Not sure where you are getting the 1500 number. (Unless you really don’t understand what yield means).

Anonymous wrote:I guess you cant read, ED1 acceprtance is at least 1500, making the ED1 acceptance at 25%

Anonymous wrote:This is really not that complicated.

ED1 acceptance rate = 1000/6000*100=16.67 percent

(Assuming that all 1000 accepted students from early round are ED1, there are no EA acceptances, and there are 6k ED applications).

Anonymous wrote:no, more than 25% since they accept about 2,000 annually and the yield rate is almost 90% and most of those are from ED1 and ED2

Anonymous wrote:Alright. Let’s assume 6k. Then the acceptance rate is at most 17 percent.

Anonymous wrote:for this cycle, so far Ivies reporting the number of ED applicants are:

Brown: 5,048
Columbia: 5,872
Dartmouth: 3,550
U Pennsylvania: 9,500

Chicago wont beat U Penn or Cornell for ED applications, likely around 6k similar to Columbia....implying a very high ED1 admissions acceptance rate

Anonymous wrote:no way U Chicago gets 10k ED applications as that would be higher than all Ivies

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll who bashes University of Chicago pretty consistently. Back again.

Dean of Admissions Nondorf said the ED1 admissions rate is 4-5% past two years. I believe the Dean of Admissions know the stats. I don't remember what % of the class that it.

My DCs love U Chicago, and yes, I went to HYP and was a top student there. I would have been about a B-C student at U Chicago, because I am pretty bad at math and there is no way to dodge it in Economics.

Where did you find this quote? BC from what I've seen, it's 5% for ED1, ED2, and EA combined.

I was on the Chicago accepted students admission zoom last week. Dean Nondorf said "we received about 20,000 applications for the early round, and accepted about 1,000." He did NOT say that there were 20k early DECISION applications. I was listening carefully.

It's entirely possible that 18k of those 20k applications were EA, and they accepted half of the ED applicants.

No sour grapes here - my kid liked the school, he's going and I guess they have to do what they need to do to get out of their financial hole, but I don't love the shady admissions practices.

Makes no sense that the majority of the 20k applications would be EA. At least at DC’s school, most kids apply to UChicago ED1. The close-to-zero EA acceptances rate is well known. This year, out of about 85 kids, 4 kids applied ED1…2 got in and 2 were rejected.

Even if you assume that half of the 20k applications were ED1 and the other half EA and that the acceptance rate for EA was zero, the acceptance rate for ED1 would be around 10 percent.

ED1 + EA acceptance - 1,000 (assumption is that 99% of those are ED1, with EA essentially being a marketing tool for ED2)
Given the insane 90% yield, it's a safe assumption that at least 600 of the remaining acceptances are ED2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC got constant mailings from them but if he applied would be TO and likely rejected. It’s like the only thing they knew about him was his test score and they wanted him to apply so they could reject him and get their numbers up. Kinda sick if you think about it but not the only school that lures kids into the reject pile.

I feel you, but my kid applied with perfect scores, NMSF, great grades and rejected. Applied EA. It sucks.

Sorry to hear. He/she will land somewhere great in RD process with those high stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC got constant mailings from them but if he applied would be TO and likely rejected. It’s like the only thing they knew about him was his test score and they wanted him to apply so they could reject him and get their numbers up. Kinda sick if you think about it but not the only school that lures kids into the reject pile.

I feel you, but my kid applied with perfect scores, NMSF, great grades and rejected. Applied EA. It sucks.

Sorry to hear. He/she will land somewhere great in RD process with those high stats.

100%. And yes it is absolutely crappy. On the one hand, every school is $-driven, and Chicago's strategy is clearly working for them. But the sheer lack of disclosure is so troubling.

And yes, your child will land somewhere even better with those stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People regularly complain that UChicago spams their inboxes and sends enough postcards to wallpaper a room. Apparently no other school spends as much money or castes as wide a net as UChicago? So when Dean Nondorf announces that the school receives roughly 20k applications for ED / EA how can anyone be this incredulous?

Exactly. As immigrants, the only school familiar to us really were HYPSM. Never even heard of UChicago til my kid got the emails. Quickly became first choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is really not that complicated.

ED1 acceptance rate = 1000/6000*100=16.67 percent

(Assuming that all 1000 accepted students from early round are ED1, there are no EA acceptances, and there are 6k ED applications).

Anonymous wrote:no, more than 25% since they accept about 2,000 annually and the yield rate is almost 90% and most of those are from ED1 and ED2

Anonymous wrote:Alright. Let’s assume 6k. Then the acceptance rate is at most 17 percent.

Anonymous wrote:for this cycle, so far Ivies reporting the number of ED applicants are:

Brown: 5,048
Columbia: 5,872
Dartmouth: 3,550
U Pennsylvania: 9,500

Chicago wont beat U Penn or Cornell for ED applications, likely around 6k similar to Columbia....implying a very high ED1 admissions acceptance rate

Anonymous wrote:no way U Chicago gets 10k ED applications as that would be higher than all Ivies

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll who bashes University of Chicago pretty consistently. Back again.

Dean of Admissions Nondorf said the ED1 admissions rate is 4-5% past two years. I believe the Dean of Admissions know the stats. I don't remember what % of the class that it.

My DCs love U Chicago, and yes, I went to HYP and was a top student there. I would have been about a B-C student at U Chicago, because I am pretty bad at math and there is no way to dodge it in Economics.

Where did you find this quote? BC from what I've seen, it's 5% for ED1, ED2, and EA combined.

I was on the Chicago accepted students admission zoom last week. Dean Nondorf said "we received about 20,000 applications for the early round, and accepted about 1,000." He did NOT say that there were 20k early DECISION applications. I was listening carefully.

It's entirely possible that 18k of those 20k applications were EA, and they accepted half of the ED applicants.

No sour grapes here - my kid liked the school, he's going and I guess they have to do what they need to do to get out of their financial hole, but I don't love the shady admissions practices.

Makes no sense that the majority of the 20k applications would be EA. At least at DC’s school, most kids apply to UChicago ED1. The close-to-zero EA acceptances rate is well known. This year, out of about 85 kids, 4 kids applied ED1…2 got in and 2 were rejected.

Even if you assume that half of the 20k applications were ED1 and the other half EA and that the acceptance rate for EA was zero, the acceptance rate for ED1 would be around 10 percent.

Assuming 6k is a high estimate. I'd say 3k or less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll who bashes University of Chicago pretty consistently. Back again.

Dean of Admissions Nondorf said the ED1 admissions rate is 4-5% past two years. I believe the Dean of Admissions know the stats. I don't remember what % of the class that it.

My DCs love U Chicago, and yes, I went to HYP and was a top student there. I would have been about a B-C student at U Chicago, because I am pretty bad at math and there is no way to dodge it in Economics.

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There's no way you were a top student at HYP and were also bad at math.

I have a kid at both schools and the place placement for Harvard was much easier. That said, both introductory math classes are pretty easy. Chicago has two rounds of tests, if you do well on the first math placement you are invited to take a second one. That can place you into their highest level class. DD is in honors calc and doing very well. It's not an easy class as some TJ kids dropped out. Honors calc is not the hardest math class. It's somewhere in the middle. If you do well on the Harvard placement you have the option to take a range of math classes. Otherwise, you are placed in intro math. I know an athlete at Harvard who did so poorly on the math placement he had to take it twice just to place into the first level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People regularly complain that UChicago spams their inboxes and sends enough postcards to wallpaper a room. Apparently no other school spends as much money or castes as wide a net as UChicago? So when Dean Nondorf announces that the school receives roughly 20k applications for ED / EA how can anyone be this incredulous?

Exactly. As immigrants, the only school familiar to us really were HYPSM. Never even heard of UChicago til my kid got the emails. Quickly became first choice.

What country are you from? It's very well known in China and parents love the rigor. They like that it's top 3 in the most Nobel Laureates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:People regularly complain that UChicago spams their inboxes and sends enough postcards to wallpaper a room. Apparently no other school spends as much money or castes as wide a net as UChicago? So when Dean Nondorf announces that the school receives roughly 20k applications for ED / EA how can anyone be this incredulous?

Exactly. As immigrants, the only school familiar to us really were HYPSM. Never even heard of UChicago til my kid got the emails. Quickly became first choice.

What country are you from? It's very well known in China and parents love the rigor. They like that it's top 3 in the most Nobel Laureates.

Not China obviously

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really not that complicated.

ED1 acceptance rate = 1000/6000*100=16.67 percent

(Assuming that all 1000 accepted students from early round are ED1, there are no EA acceptances, and there are 6k ED applications).

Anonymous wrote:no, more than 25% since they accept about 2,000 annually and the yield rate is almost 90% and most of those are from ED1 and ED2

Anonymous wrote:Alright. Let’s assume 6k. Then the acceptance rate is at most 17 percent.

Anonymous wrote:for this cycle, so far Ivies reporting the number of ED applicants are:

Brown: 5,048
Columbia: 5,872
Dartmouth: 3,550
U Pennsylvania: 9,500

Chicago wont beat U Penn or Cornell for ED applications, likely around 6k similar to Columbia....implying a very high ED1 admissions acceptance rate

Anonymous wrote:no way U Chicago gets 10k ED applications as that would be higher than all Ivies

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll who bashes University of Chicago pretty consistently. Back again.

Dean of Admissions Nondorf said the ED1 admissions rate is 4-5% past two years. I believe the Dean of Admissions know the stats. I don't remember what % of the class that it.

My DCs love U Chicago, and yes, I went to HYP and was a top student there. I would have been about a B-C student at U Chicago, because I am pretty bad at math and there is no way to dodge it in Economics.

Where did you find this quote? BC from what I've seen, it's 5% for ED1, ED2, and EA combined.

I was on the Chicago accepted students admission zoom last week. Dean Nondorf said "we received about 20,000 applications for the early round, and accepted about 1,000." He did NOT say that there were 20k early DECISION applications. I was listening carefully.

It's entirely possible that 18k of those 20k applications were EA, and they accepted half of the ED applicants.

No sour grapes here - my kid liked the school, he's going and I guess they have to do what they need to do to get out of their financial hole, but I don't love the shady admissions practices.

Makes no sense that the majority of the 20k applications would be EA. At least at DC’s school, most kids apply to UChicago ED1. The close-to-zero EA acceptances rate is well known. This year, out of about 85 kids, 4 kids applied ED1…2 got in and 2 were rejected.

Even if you assume that half of the 20k applications were ED1 and the other half EA and that the acceptance rate for EA was zero, the acceptance rate for ED1 would be around 10 percent.

Assuming 6k is a high estimate. I'd say 3k or less.

OP here. Without knowing the denominator, it's all pure conjecture. Hence my question whether people knew kids who had actually been rejected for ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really not that complicated.

ED1 acceptance rate = 1000/6000*100=16.67 percent

(Assuming that all 1000 accepted students from early round are ED1, there are no EA acceptances, and there are 6k ED applications).

Anonymous wrote:no, more than 25% since they accept about 2,000 annually and the yield rate is almost 90% and most of those are from ED1 and ED2

Anonymous wrote:Alright. Let’s assume 6k. Then the acceptance rate is at most 17 percent.

Anonymous wrote:for this cycle, so far Ivies reporting the number of ED applicants are:

Brown: 5,048
Columbia: 5,872
Dartmouth: 3,550
U Pennsylvania: 9,500

Chicago wont beat U Penn or Cornell for ED applications, likely around 6k similar to Columbia....implying a very high ED1 admissions acceptance rate

Anonymous wrote:no way U Chicago gets 10k ED applications as that would be higher than all Ivies

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a troll who bashes University of Chicago pretty consistently. Back again.

Dean of Admissions Nondorf said the ED1 admissions rate is 4-5% past two years. I believe the Dean of Admissions know the stats. I don't remember what % of the class that it.

My DCs love U Chicago, and yes, I went to HYP and was a top student there. I would have been about a B-C student at U Chicago, because I am pretty bad at math and there is no way to dodge it in Economics.

Where did you find this quote? BC from what I've seen, it's 5% for ED1, ED2, and EA combined.

I was on the Chicago accepted students admission zoom last week. Dean Nondorf said "we received about 20,000 applications for the early round, and accepted about 1,000." He did NOT say that there were 20k early DECISION applications. I was listening carefully.

It's entirely possible that 18k of those 20k applications were EA, and they accepted half of the ED applicants.

No sour grapes here - my kid liked the school, he's going and I guess they have to do what they need to do to get out of their financial hole, but I don't love the shady admissions practices.

Makes no sense that the majority of the 20k applications would be EA. At least at DC’s school, most kids apply to UChicago ED1. The close-to-zero EA acceptances rate is well known. This year, out of about 85 kids, 4 kids applied ED1…2 got in and 2 were rejected.

Even if you assume that half of the 20k applications were ED1 and the other half EA and that the acceptance rate for EA was zero, the acceptance rate for ED1 would be around 10 percent.

Assuming 6k is a high estimate. I'd say 3k or less.

OP here. Without knowing the denominator, it's all pure conjecture. Hence my question whether people knew kids who had actually been rejected for ED.

Reddit is full if these

[Anonymous]

I dispute that it's 'common knowledge' that Chicago doesn't accept anyone EA. Maybe our school counselor should have clued us in, but she didn't.

DC, who is top of the class/ high stats, didn't want to visit any of the top schools until he got a decision. Didn't want to fall in love with someplace only to get rejected. I think that's reasonable, and didn't push expensive/ inconvenient visits to any school that doesn't track demonstrated interest.

Chicago claims not to track demonstrated interest (though DC did attend local Chicago presentations and click on MANY emails). He really likes the option, but applying sight unseen ED seems too risky. I thought ED would signal that HYPS were not the top choice so would be preferable to RD. I was wrong -- DC was deferred. I regret I didn't do more research, and resent that Chicago seems to misrepresent its admissions processes. (Which is not to say I am sure DC would have been admitted had the processes been more transparent, just that I feel DC was hoodwinked)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dispute that it's 'common knowledge' that Chicago doesn't accept anyone EA. Maybe our school counselor should have clued us in, but she didn't.

DC, who is top of the class/ high stats, didn't want to visit any of the top schools until he got a decision. Didn't want to fall in love with someplace only to get rejected. I think that's reasonable, and didn't push expensive/ inconvenient visits to any school that doesn't track demonstrated interest.

Chicago claims not to track demonstrated interest (though DC did attend local Chicago presentations and click on MANY emails). He really likes the option, but applying sight unseen ED seems too risky. I thought ED would signal that HYPS were not the top choice so would be preferable to RD. I was wrong -- DC was deferred. I regret I didn't do more research, and resent that Chicago seems to misrepresent its admissions processes. (Which is not to say I am sure DC would have been admitted had the processes been more transparent, just that I feel DC was hoodwinked)

That is a completely reasonable choice for your DC to make. If it's any consolation, I'm under the impression that an EA deferral from Chicago essentially means "if you convert to ED2, you're in." They want him, but don't believe he'd actually come - possibly because they think he's very likely to get an Ivy acceptance! Regardless, of course you shouldn't do that sight unseen. Better to see what RD brings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dispute that it's 'common knowledge' that Chicago doesn't accept anyone EA. Maybe our school counselor should have clued us in, but she didn't.

DC, who is top of the class/ high stats, didn't want to visit any of the top schools until he got a decision. Didn't want to fall in love with someplace only to get rejected. I think that's reasonable, and didn't push expensive/ inconvenient visits to any school that doesn't track demonstrated interest.

Chicago claims not to track demonstrated interest (though DC did attend local Chicago presentations and click on MANY emails). He really likes the option, but applying sight unseen ED seems too risky. I thought ED would signal that HYPS were not the top choice so would be preferable to RD. I was wrong -- DC was deferred. I regret I didn't do more research, and resent that Chicago seems to misrepresent its admissions processes. (Which is not to say I am sure DC would have been admitted had the processes been more transparent, just that I feel DC was hoodwinked)

How was your DC hoodwinked?

He applied ED and deferred. For T10 schools, it happens.