Help DC Identify Realistic Target and Safety Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Lehigh alumna here. Also thought of Lehigh, Bucknell, Tulane, Wake and Lafayette. He will need to visit and show a lot of interest for Lehigh and Wake or they may decline because his stats are so high. What about UVA and UNC-CH?

His stats aren’t high for Wake, particularly coming from a public school. Right around median.

DP: Not according to their data set. Only 26% submit SAT scores (22% submit ACT, the rest go test optional) and the median score is 1450. OP's kid has 1530, which is well above the 75%ile. Only 67% of students are in the top 10% of their class.

Test scores don’t carry much weight. GPA needs to be over 75th percentile to be competitive if unhooked.

Does Wake even report GPA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Target: 30%-50% acceptance rate
Safety: 60%+ acceptance rate

+1 B’s and C’s will not be accepted at Wake.

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Anonymous wrote:Lehigh alumna here. Also thought of Lehigh, Bucknell, Tulane, Wake and Lafayette. He will need to visit and show a lot of interest for Lehigh and Wake or they may decline because his stats are so high. What about UVA and UNC-CH?

His stats aren’t high for Wake, particularly coming from a public school. Right around median.

DP: Not according to their data set. Only 26% submit SAT scores (22% submit ACT, the rest go test optional) and the median score is 1450. OP's kid has 1530, which is well above the 75%ile. Only 67% of students are in the top 10% of their class.

Ok, so approximately 70 percent of kids are in the top 10 percent of the class according to your data.Name a local public school where a 3.8 is in the top 10 percent? At our private known for rigor, it takes a 3.7 minimum for Wake.

Wake doesn’t care much about test scores, they were test optional long before Covid. They care much more about gpa and leadership. Lots of kids who were all school or class presidents.

OP’s kid has a 3.98.

I agree 3.8 would be different.

OP has a 3.98 *unweighted* which is likely top 1% at any school. With number of APs this would be a weighted 4.5. Their scores and GPA are high for Wake, but I don't think so high they would be yield protected. A lot of public schools only report weighted (because there is more variability in course rigor at a public and someone could take very easy gen-ed courses and get As in them and have achieved far less than someone who took APs and got Bs).

That is simply untrue, it is not uncommon to see 10 to20 percent of kids with a unweighted 4.0 at some local public schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lehigh alumna here. Also thought of Lehigh, Bucknell, Tulane, Wake and Lafayette. He will need to visit and show a lot of interest for Lehigh and Wake or they may decline because his stats are so high. What about UVA and UNC-CH?

His stats aren’t high for Wake, particularly coming from a public school. Right around median.

DP: Not according to their data set. Only 26% submit SAT scores (22% submit ACT, the rest go test optional) and the median score is 1450. OP's kid has 1530, which is well above the 75%ile. Only 67% of students are in the top 10% of their class.

Test scores don’t carry much weight. GPA needs to be over 75th percentile to be competitive if unhooked.

Does Wake even report GPA?

You can look at Naviance.

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Anonymous wrote:Lehigh alumna here. Also thought of Lehigh, Bucknell, Tulane, Wake and Lafayette. He will need to visit and show a lot of interest for Lehigh and Wake or they may decline because his stats are so high. What about UVA and UNC-CH?

His stats aren’t high for Wake, particularly coming from a public school. Right around median.

DP: Not according to their data set. Only 26% submit SAT scores (22% submit ACT, the rest go test optional) and the median score is 1450. OP's kid has 1530, which is well above the 75%ile. Only 67% of students are in the top 10% of their class.

Ok, so approximately 70 percent of kids are in the top 10 percent of the class according to your data.Name a local public school where a 3.8 is in the top 10 percent? At our private known for rigor, it takes a 3.7 minimum for Wake.

Wake doesn’t care much about test scores, they were test optional long before Covid. They care much more about gpa and leadership. Lots of kids who were all school or class presidents.

OP’s kid has a 3.98.

I agree 3.8 would be different.

OP has a 3.98 *unweighted* which is likely top 1% at any school. With number of APs this would be a weighted 4.5. Their scores and GPA are high for Wake, but I don't think so high they would be yield protected. A lot of public schools only report weighted (because there is more variability in course rigor at a public and someone could take very easy gen-ed courses and get As in them and have achieved far less than someone who took APs and got Bs).

That is simply untrue, it is not uncommon to see 10 to20 percent of kids with a unweighted 4.0 at some local public schools.

Sure. But are they all taking 10 AP classes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools with high level sports and 5k-8k undergrads?

Off the top of my head, these are all around 7,000-12,000 and in urban areas w/Division 1 sports (in no particular order, obviously not all safeties):

Vanderbilt
Miami
SMU
TCU
Tulane
Boston College
Wake Forest
Duke
Rice

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools with high level sports and 5k-8k undergrads?

Off the top of my head, these are all around 7,000-12,000 and in urban areas w/Division 1 sports (in no particular order, obviously not all safeties):

Vanderbilt
Miami
SMU
TCU
Tulane
Boston College
Wake Forest
Duke
Rice

Also

Northwestern
Notre Dame (less urban than some)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools with high level sports and 5k-8k undergrads?

SMU

SMU is the closest fit for what OP described. Leafy campus in a very nice residential enclave in the middle of Dallas, ACC sports, @ 7,000 undergrads, 50% acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools with high level sports and 5k-8k undergrads?

SMU

SMU is the closest fit for what OP described. Leafy campus in a very nice residential enclave in the middle of Dallas, ACC sports, @ 7,000 undergrads, 50% acceptance rate.

The neighborhood around it is such a luxurious place. I'd never want to move to Texas, but the homes made me envious. Dallas is also a great place for jobs.

[Anonymous]

BC and Wake Forest seem great targets for your kid, OP. Tulane as well (apply EA bc Tulane “yield protects”), as it has an honors college and has gotten stronger at sports and thus more spirited in the past few years.

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Anonymous wrote:U of Miami is a target/likely with those stats, in a suburb near Miami, mid-size, good culture for sports.

My kid has close stats and is interested in Miami. I've been told repeatedly on here that the SAT alone will get you yield protected.

Yep--my kid was waitlisted with a 1550 SAT/4.3GPA/lots of demonstrated interest. Miami wants ED if you have high stats (can do ED2). Tulane also wants ED with high stats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools with high level sports and 5k-8k undergrads?

SMU

SMU is the closest fit for what OP described. Leafy campus in a very nice residential enclave in the middle of Dallas, ACC sports, @ 7,000 undergrads, 50% acceptance rate.

The neighborhood around it is such a luxurious place. I'd never want to move to Texas, but the homes made me envious. Dallas is also a great place for jobs.

SMU is very much a hot school right now. Reasonably good, beautiful campus, great sports, nice vibe.

[Anonymous]

Challenge with your 5000-8000 student range is that those are all private and many yield protect students with high stats. Assuming you don't want to ED a target, it's easier for high stats kids to find larger public targets.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools with high level sports and 5k-8k undergrads?

SMU

SMU is the closest fit for what OP described. Leafy campus in a very nice residential enclave in the middle of Dallas, ACC sports, @ 7,000 undergrads, 50% acceptance rate.

The neighborhood around it is such a luxurious place. I'd never want to move to Texas, but the homes made me envious. Dallas is also a great place for jobs.

Luxurious?

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Anonymous wrote:Lehigh alumna here. Also thought of Lehigh, Bucknell, Tulane, Wake and Lafayette. He will need to visit and show a lot of interest for Lehigh and Wake or they may decline because his stats are so high. What about UVA and UNC-CH?

His stats aren’t high for Wake, particularly coming from a public school. Right around median.

DP: Not according to their data set. Only 26% submit SAT scores (22% submit ACT, the rest go test optional) and the median score is 1450. OP's kid has 1530, which is well above the 75%ile. Only 67% of students are in the top 10% of their class.

Ok, so approximately 70 percent of kids are in the top 10 percent of the class according to your data.Name a local public school where a 3.8 is in the top 10 percent? At our private known for rigor, it takes a 3.7 minimum for Wake.

Wake doesn’t care much about test scores, they were test optional long before Covid. They care much more about gpa and leadership. Lots of kids who were all school or class presidents.

OP’s kid has a 3.98.

I agree 3.8 would be different.

OP has a 3.98 *unweighted* which is likely top 1% at any school. With number of APs this would be a weighted 4.5. Their scores and GPA are high for Wake, but I don't think so high they would be yield protected. A lot of public schools only report weighted (because there is more variability in course rigor at a public and someone could take very easy gen-ed courses and get As in them and have achieved far less than someone who took APs and got Bs).

That is simply untrue, it is not uncommon to see 10 to20 percent of kids with a unweighted 4.0 at some local public schools.

Evidence? People are always saying that everyone gets all As at my kid's high school, but it's nowhere near accurate when I look at the actual Naviance. My kid who is at a middle of the road FCPS school, has taken a rigorous courseload and has a weighted 4.25 with well below an UW 4.0--not sure what it is because FCPS doesn't report, but he's had a few Bs and one B- and is still within the top 10%.

Also, all the unweighted 4.0s don't matter for percentiles, because in public schools the percentiles are based on weighted grades so those with 4.0 who took less rigorous courseloads and won't have the same weighted grade and thus won't be in the top percentiles.