Finally OSSE 2024 enrollment audit data is up!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

I am very surprised that Payne opted into EAP the same year they're going to start getting Tyler non-Spanish folks by right. Could be a large change to the demographics of incoming classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

I am very surprised that Payne opted into EAP the same year they're going to start getting Tyler non-Spanish folks by right. Could be a large change to the demographics of incoming classes.

Few comments - I think it is intentional on Payne's part. I get the impression they realize that their in boundary housing stock is not the most affordable, and this is a way to combat (or at least slow down) what happened at Maury. Not to say the merge over there was the best proposal, but the current state of racial/income segregation was so stark it at least warrants a closer look/conversation.
Interesting conversation will be in 4-5 years as more housing keeps getting built east of 19th street, all IB for Payne. There are several families coming to Payne from the two new buildings already.
Who knows how many kids in the 24-25 class will opt for Payne instead of Tyler/Chisolm, it will only be kindergarten. I have not looked at lottery numbers for Tyler/Chisolm, did making the whole kinder Spanish change the amount of in boundary/out of boundary spots?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone with the yikes reaction should run away to the burbs. Seriously.

Ah yes, a school where half the students are at risk or the burbs. Clearly the only two options here. I would venture a guess that most if not all of the people wringing their hands over a single word - "yikes" - are not sending their children to schools with at-risk percentages that high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

I am very surprised that Payne opted into EAP the same year they're going to start getting Tyler non-Spanish folks by right. Could be a large change to the demographics of incoming classes.

Few comments - I think it is intentional on Payne's part. I get the impression they realize that their in boundary housing stock is not the most affordable, and this is a way to combat (or at least slow down) what happened at Maury. Not to say the merge over there was the best proposal, but the current state of racial/income segregation was so stark it at least warrants a closer look/conversation.
Interesting conversation will be in 4-5 years as more housing keeps getting built east of 19th street, all IB for Payne. There are several families coming to Payne from the two new buildings already.
Who knows how many kids in the 24-25 class will opt for Payne instead of Tyler/Chisolm, it will only be kindergarten. I have not looked at lottery numbers for Tyler/Chisolm, did making the whole kinder Spanish change the amount of in boundary/out of boundary spots?

IMO, EA will have a pretty marginal impact on neighborhood elementary demographics. Look at this year's waitlist data for Payne. 4 students offered a spot with EA preference out of 68 total PK seats. It really doesn't change much for IB students without EA preference: those with "good" lottery numbers are still getting in wherever they want, including Payne, and those with "bad" lottery numbers will end up somewhere they prefer less than Payne and still opt into Payne at K.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at with the comparison to Maury/Miner. Tyler already has a slightly lower at-risk percentage than Payne, and that trend (driven by OOB students?) is likely to continue as they move to full dual language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

I am very surprised that Payne opted into EAP the same year they're going to start getting Tyler non-Spanish folks by right. Could be a large change to the demographics of incoming classes.

Few comments - I think it is intentional on Payne's part. I get the impression they realize that their in boundary housing stock is not the most affordable, and this is a way to combat (or at least slow down) what happened at Maury. Not to say the merge over there was the best proposal, but the current state of racial/income segregation was so stark it at least warrants a closer look/conversation.
Interesting conversation will be in 4-5 years as more housing keeps getting built east of 19th street, all IB for Payne. There are several families coming to Payne from the two new buildings already.
Who knows how many kids in the 24-25 class will opt for Payne instead of Tyler/Chisolm, it will only be kindergarten. I have not looked at lottery numbers for Tyler/Chisolm, did making the whole kinder Spanish change the amount of in boundary/out of boundary spots?

IMO, EA will have a pretty marginal impact on neighborhood elementary demographics. Look at this year's waitlist data for Payne. 4 students offered a spot with EA preference out of 68 total PK seats. It really doesn't change much for IB students without EA preference: those with "good" lottery numbers are still getting in wherever they want, including Payne, and those with "bad" lottery numbers will end up somewhere they prefer less than Payne and still opt into Payne at K.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at with the comparison to Maury/Miner. Tyler already has a slightly lower at-risk percentage than Payne, and that trend (driven by OOB students?) is likely to continue as they move to full dual language.

DP. I interpreted PPs comment to imply PP believes there's a group at Payne that feels Maury lost too much diversity when neighborhood housing prices went way up and that steps should be taken to slow that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone with the yikes reaction should run away to the burbs. Seriously.

There goes the entire Black middle class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

I am very surprised that Payne opted into EAP the same year they're going to start getting Tyler non-Spanish folks by right. Could be a large change to the demographics of incoming classes.

Few comments - I think it is intentional on Payne's part. I get the impression they realize that their in boundary housing stock is not the most affordable, and this is a way to combat (or at least slow down) what happened at Maury. Not to say the merge over there was the best proposal, but the current state of racial/income segregation was so stark it at least warrants a closer look/conversation.
Interesting conversation will be in 4-5 years as more housing keeps getting built east of 19th street, all IB for Payne. There are several families coming to Payne from the two new buildings already.
Who knows how many kids in the 24-25 class will opt for Payne instead of Tyler/Chisolm, it will only be kindergarten. I have not looked at lottery numbers for Tyler/Chisolm, did making the whole kinder Spanish change the amount of in boundary/out of boundary spots?

IMO, EA will have a pretty marginal impact on neighborhood elementary demographics. Look at this year's waitlist data for Payne. 4 students offered a spot with EA preference out of 68 total PK seats. It really doesn't change much for IB students without EA preference: those with "good" lottery numbers are still getting in wherever they want, including Payne, and those with "bad" lottery numbers will end up somewhere they prefer less than Payne and still opt into Payne at K.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at with the comparison to Maury/Miner. Tyler already has a slightly lower at-risk percentage than Payne, and that trend (driven by OOB students?) is likely to continue as they move to full dual language.

DP. I interpreted PPs comment to imply PP believes there's a group at Payne that feels Maury lost too much diversity when neighborhood housing prices went way up and that steps should be taken to slow that.

I guess the assumption there then is that the IB Tyler kids who opt out of dual language instruction are more likely to be at risk than Tyler's general student population? Is that generally the case with other dual language DCPSes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students in-boundary for Tyler/Chisholm who do not want a Spanish immersion program now have boundary privileges at Payne starting in K. That might partially explain the increase in the number of students at Payne.

Does that include either Hopkins or Potomac Gardens?

Yup. Both.

I am very surprised that Payne opted into EAP the same year they're going to start getting Tyler non-Spanish folks by right. Could be a large change to the demographics of incoming classes.

Few comments - I think it is intentional on Payne's part. I get the impression they realize that their in boundary housing stock is not the most affordable, and this is a way to combat (or at least slow down) what happened at Maury. Not to say the merge over there was the best proposal, but the current state of racial/income segregation was so stark it at least warrants a closer look/conversation.
Interesting conversation will be in 4-5 years as more housing keeps getting built east of 19th street, all IB for Payne. There are several families coming to Payne from the two new buildings already.
Who knows how many kids in the 24-25 class will opt for Payne instead of Tyler/Chisolm, it will only be kindergarten. I have not looked at lottery numbers for Tyler/Chisolm, did making the whole kinder Spanish change the amount of in boundary/out of boundary spots?

IMO, EA will have a pretty marginal impact on neighborhood elementary demographics. Look at this year's waitlist data for Payne. 4 students offered a spot with EA preference out of 68 total PK seats. It really doesn't change much for IB students without EA preference: those with "good" lottery numbers are still getting in wherever they want, including Payne, and those with "bad" lottery numbers will end up somewhere they prefer less than Payne and still opt into Payne at K.

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at with the comparison to Maury/Miner. Tyler already has a slightly lower at-risk percentage than Payne, and that trend (driven by OOB students?) is likely to continue as they move to full dual language.

DP. I interpreted PPs comment to imply PP believes there's a group at Payne that feels Maury lost too much diversity when neighborhood housing prices went way up and that steps should be taken to slow that.

I guess the assumption there then is that the IB Tyler kids who opt out of dual language instruction are more likely to be at risk than Tyler's general student population? Is that generally the case with other dual language DCPSes?

Yes and yes. As a general matter, there was a clear demographic split in the reaction of existing Tyler families to the school’s new direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone with the yikes reaction should run away to the burbs. Seriously.

There goes the entire Black middle class

Well, I mean, hasn't the vast majority of the black middle class already moved to PG? That's why the city is no longer majority black.

[Anonymous]

The children in the Tyler boundary will disperse between Tyler Spanish, Watkins (OOB but closer than Payne with a SH feed), Payne (the designated English sister school), Friendship Chamberlain (charter within the boundary also closer than Payne), and maybe Brent/Maury (if an at-risk preference is implemented). Probably intentional on the part of DCPS but I do not foresee a large influx of at-risk children at Payne.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The children in the Tyler boundary will disperse between Tyler Spanish, Watkins (OOB but closer than Payne with a SH feed), Payne (the designated English sister school), Friendship Chamberlain (charter within the boundary also closer than Payne), and maybe Brent/Maury (if an at-risk preference is implemented). Probably intentional on the part of DCPS but I do not foresee a large influx of at-risk children at Payne.

Equitable access at neighborhood schools is only for IB students (so only impacts IB PK).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The children in the Tyler boundary will disperse between Tyler Spanish, Watkins (OOB but closer than Payne with a SH feed), Payne (the designated English sister school), Friendship Chamberlain (charter within the boundary also closer than Payne), and maybe Brent/Maury (if an at-risk preference is implemented). Probably intentional on the part of DCPS but I do not foresee a large influx of at-risk children at Payne.

Equitable access at neighborhood schools is only for IB students (so only impacts IB PK).

This is not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The children in the Tyler boundary will disperse between Tyler Spanish, Watkins (OOB but closer than Payne with a SH feed), Payne (the designated English sister school), Friendship Chamberlain (charter within the boundary also closer than Payne), and maybe Brent/Maury (if an at-risk preference is implemented). Probably intentional on the part of DCPS but I do not foresee a large influx of at-risk children at Payne.

Equitable access at neighborhood schools is only for IB students (so only impacts IB PK).

This is not true.

There are multiple things being discussed about here. Equitable access, at-risk set asides, and maybe another option at well. One of the options was just for IB students, aimed at ECE. Other options were set asides for every grade. The boundary review committee talked about this and included a recommendation based on this topic in their final report, but I don't think the mayor has reviewed and/or approved any of the recommendations yet. https://dcgov.app.box.com/v/2023dcboundaryreport

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The children in the Tyler boundary will disperse between Tyler Spanish, Watkins (OOB but closer than Payne with a SH feed), Payne (the designated English sister school), Friendship Chamberlain (charter within the boundary also closer than Payne), and maybe Brent/Maury (if an at-risk preference is implemented). Probably intentional on the part of DCPS but I do not foresee a large influx of at-risk children at Payne.

Equitable access at neighborhood schools is only for IB students (so only impacts IB PK).

This is not true.

Sorry, you're right. I was misremembering a conversation from a prior thread. The recommendation is to set aside some existing seats (number or percent unspecified) in PK for IB students only and in K-12 for OOB students.