Which one of you was this? 78% of noise complaints lodged against Reagan Airport were made by one household!

[Anonymous]

To the PG poster, fair and most of DC doesn’t have this problem. I will say honestly that a lot of people got gaslighted and shamed into not believing their own ears and eyes; and that the situation drastically worsened after 2015. Also, some bought during the pandemic when there just wasn’t as much air traffic

[Anonymous]

I know our agent was threatening to walk when we excluded the houses under the flight path and called us overly sensitive. We parted ways and are much happier not being gaslighted.

[Anonymous]

I’ll never forget the agent who told us to just drink when the planes are right overhead; everyone does w the stiff G&T

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know our agent was threatening to walk when we excluded the houses under the flight path and called us overly sensitive. We parted ways and are much happier not being gaslighted.

Is there a detailed map/photo with the current flight paths and which nabes are most impacted? Please post if you have it.

[Anonymous]

There are plenty, search flight path just on this website

If you are buying you have to do own research, sit in front and time/measure dB

Here’s a good one but note it’s much worse and a bit wider since the pandemic lull. This also shows you where planes don’t fly and where the planes are prohibited from flying (some of the most expensive real estate in DC)

https://www.popville.com/2021/12/an-increase-in-noise-coming-from-planes-departing-dca-lately-the-past-few-months/

[Anonymous]

That map is DCA only; no IAD, no BWI, copter or non-commercial so adjust for that plus for about 1.5x-2x more flights now compared to then

[Anonymous]

Still, most DC not affected at all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still, most DC not affected at all

Petworth is a peaceful oasis of quiet according to that map. Literally NO aircraft tracks over it at all. I wonder why all these pollution chicken-littles aren’t clamoring to live over there? They could sell their Palisades sewer-in-the-sky pollution death trap for cheap (or better yet - raze it to the ground and give the lot to the city as greenspace, to prevent anyone from ever living there again and being exposed to aircraft pollution - which would be the decent thing to do to protect others!) . They could find a nice home on a big lot on Sheridan Circle or nearby street. No planes overhead, EVER.

But they insist on staying in Palisades, despite the danger they insist is there.

It’s soooo weird. I can’t explain it.

[Anonymous]

It is isn’t it? Maybe a bit of classism and a bit of racism? Just a thought

[Anonymous]

You can stay in the Palisades. It’s a personal choice and risk assessment on health, noise, potential for the property values to plummet, there’s no issue. Just don’t expect informed people to buy your house, especially at a premium

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roberto Vitori. Former European astronaut. Lived in Georgetown. Filed 6,852 complaints about aircraft noise in one year. 18 per day, everyday, for an entire year.

He’s an Astronaut.

Let that sink in.

Cool he’s an old Nut bag clearly

Wow you showed him up. He’s neither old nor a nut. What’s your agenda?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can stay in the Palisades. It’s a personal choice and risk assessment on health, noise, potential for the property values to plummet, there’s no issue. Just don’t expect informed people to buy your house, especially at a premium

Well, then it seems the only (and obvious) solution is to shut down the airport. That will both preserve the home values and personal wealth of residents, as well as eliminate this “deadly” pollution source which is killing millions of palisades residents per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are studying the exposures. They only discovered UFPs recently. For now, they know it’s worse than exposure to diesel. And for diesel they know that indeed people have had increased morbidity and mortality for decades due to occupational hazards or living next to the highway.

“In a meta-analysis of exposure to diesel exhaust and lung cancer occurrence in three occupational studies, the identified dose-response relationship showed that occupational exposure to 1 μg EC/m3 during a 45 year work life would cause 17 excess lung cancers per 10,000 exposed using the EC content of diesel exhaust as metric [80]. Another recent analysis of 14 case-control studies estimated exposure to diesel exhaust particles using job-exposure matrices. In this study, occupational exposure to 1 μg EC/m3 during a 45 year work life would cause 4 excess lung cancers per 10,000 exposed using the EC content of diesel exhaust as metric.”

I would not take the chance. If my work required the exposure, I would wear a mask (and they do — earmuffs and masks and goggles). Just like I wouldn’t buy a house next to the highway, I wouldn’t buy one under the flight path. How is that confusing?

DP. Definitely calling bullsh!t here[b]. Jet A is essentially highly refined kerosene, with some additives (mostly ethanol and naphtha based) for anti-gelling in cold temps. Diesel is competitively quite dirty compared to regular kerosene, and extremely dirty compared to Jet A. I was in the Army, and many military vehicles have what are called “multi fuel” engines, which can run on diesel, kerosene, Jet A, gasoline, or any combination of any or all of these. We would always try to run our trucks in our motor pool on Jet A, which was always available because the M1A1 uses Jet A. We liked using Jet A because unlike diesel, it gave NO exhaust soot or smoke, and the exhaust was far less stinky than diesel, which was really important because sometimes you’d be parked somewhere all day with the engine and generator running, and you’d be inhaling diluted fumes from the exhaust all day. The diesel was awful compared to Jet A. There’s no friggin way Jet A is more harmful than diesel. Nope. You are never going to convince me of that. It’s quite the opposite. I lived it.

Three points, sourced:

1. Exposure to UFPs is bad for you - we just don’t know yet how bad; they are tiny and push into your organs and can readily travel to the brain through olfactory nerve for example: cardiovascular, lung, brain are the most affected organ systems
2. UFPs concentrate under the flight path; they don’t gently float around and disperse
3. Jet A reduced soot but not the UFPs; in any case jet oil and lubricants are a big culprit

Exposure to UFP is strongly linked to adverse health effects and guidance for exposure limits has recently been provided by the World Health Organization (WHO). While the epidemiologic evidence for UFP health effects is still limited, there exist some studies to inform quantitative concentration–response functions for all-cause mortality, and recent large epidemiologic studies have considered UFP exposure estimates for a variety of outcomes, including breast cancer, ischemic heart disease, prostate cancer, asthma, and COPD.

It’s not just the soot from jet fuel even if they used Jet A, it’s the nano particles from burning it plus from of all the additives, oil and lubricants. Essentially things like organophosphates and oils, hydrocarbons etc.

Nature article on the UFPs:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00653-w

NIH showing how concentrated the UFPs are right under the flight path (not dispersed):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7931448/

Jet A public health warning:
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp121-c1-b.pdf

[Anonymous]

How does it manage to cross the blood brain barrier? Because we spend millions of dollars a year engineering medicines to be able to do that, it’s really difficult. I’m highly skeptical that some random combustion byproduct that is huge by molecular standards can find its way into the brain.

Have any of these studies cited been medically peer reviewed?

[Anonymous]

I just know that since moving to the Upper NW, there’s no fine black dust everyone complained about when we lived in the Palisades. There also isn’t the slight haze. It’s really hard to realize these things when you get used to them living there but when you move it’s very obvious. Ditto for the involuntary stress your body suffers from the noise even if you get used to it