Ohio LAC pecking order shakeup

[Anonymous]

Miami all the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Oberlin is an unthinkable option for a lot of people at this point. Regardless of historical prestige or current academic quality

Oberlin takes 800 kids a year between the Con and A&S. It’s an unthinkable option for most people. So are most SLACs. These aren’t schools that take a class of 30,000. And they aren’t cheap. Now, I’m sure you are trying to get a “too woke” dig in. Which tells me you don’t understand Oberlin. Yes, the campus expectation is treating trans kids with respect. No, you don’t have to room with a trans kid against your will. Oberlin was the first college to integrate, the first to go co-Ed and leader in Supporting LGB students. They have an amazing record on civil rights. I have no doubt they are right here too.

As for the campus environment, my older kid is at WM, which has a had a much more difficult time with the Israel-hamas issues than Oberlin. Much bigger and louder protests, a brawl that had to be broken up by campus police, a police presence when either side “tables” or protests, a brick thrown through a window. And, I’d like to say this is an aberration, but DD was telling us last year about militant behavior of “students for life” after the Dobbs decision and that they were getting in the faces of students who disagreed with them. And again, wherever Students for Life went last year, there was a campus police presence.

You should learn about Oberlin before dismissing it. Barefoot dialogues has brought a lot to campus in the last 5 or so years. The expectation is that students and faculty will discuss your ideas with you— without needing campus police on standby. There isn’t the kind of protesting I’ve seen at WM and other schools. There is more direct action— like arranging concerts for relief funds.

Also, ranking a Oberlin in Ohio schools is pointless.”Oberlin kids” will always go there over every other college in Ohio. And kids who don’t like Oberlin will never attend. I know Op wants to boost Denison, but they just aren’t pulling from the same pools of kids.

Is it a bad thing that William and Mary has politically active and aware students. Isn’t that better than a completely passive student body?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, but would anyone here send their kid to Kenyon over Wooster at twice the cost, and if so why, especially if their kid was likely to attend grad school?

Speaking hypothetically, of course.

No way. Wooster has a good rep and is known for engaged UG teaching and focus on research. I would only consider if Kenyon had a specific highly-ranked program for my kid’s desired major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Okay, but would anyone here send their kid to Kenyon over Wooster at twice the cost, and if so why, especially if their kid was likely to attend grad school?

Speaking hypothetically, of course.

No way. Wooster has a good rep and is known for engaged UG teaching and focus on research. I would only consider if Kenyon had a specific highly-ranked program for my kid’s desired major.

I suppose we are doing exactly that. Full pay at Kenyon. DC prob would have gotten merit aid at Wooster and did get merit aid at similar. We aren’t price sensitive though.

[Anonymous]

“Is it a bad thing that William and Mary has politically active and aware students. Isn’t that better than a completely passive student body?“

Not for me. Those are not the only 2 choices. I’m getting tired of how aggressive and sometimes violent the protests are. I want my kid learning and being with friends. College doesn’t have to be about protest issues 24/7.

The students should be allowed to protest anything they want to. But they should not be disrupting classes, social gatherings, lectures where other people are just trying to learn/gather/socialize. I feel as they are taking away other people’s rights that the kind of college experience they are paying to get at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Is it a bad thing that William and Mary has politically active and aware students. Isn’t that better than a completely passive student body?“

Not for me. Those are not the only 2 choices. I’m getting tired of how aggressive and sometimes violent the protests are. I want my kid learning and being with friends. College doesn’t have to be about protest issues 24/7.

The students should be allowed to protest anything they want to. But they should not be disrupting classes, social gatherings, lectures where other people are just trying to learn/gather/socialize. I feel as they are taking away other people’s rights that the kind of college experience they are paying to get at this point.

Exactly. Look at those losers at Vandy last week. Occupied a private building for 24 hours in violation of the law and then had the audacity to complain that school officials wouldn't hand deliver them food and tampons during their protest. I wouldn't hire one of those brats to work for me for free, and I want my kid to have to deal with as few of them as possible during their college experience.

[Anonymous]

I will be honest… I’ve never heard of any of these schools besides Oberlin. LOL! I’m sure they are all great. Who cares about rankings.

[Anonymous]

Denison highest ceiling agree.

[Anonymous]

DC was accepted by Denison, however rejected by Oberlin. Finally joined W&L.

[Anonymous]

I'd put my money on you not being a good judge of anything based on your use of "crazy woke". That indicates someone who really doesn't understand what liberal arts schools are about.

Learning about other cultures, embracing diversity and prioritizing kindness should be found at every school. If that makes them "crazy woke" I have a feeling the problem here is really you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd put my money on you not being a good judge of anything based on your use of "crazy woke". That indicates someone who really doesn't understand what liberal arts schools are about.

Learning about other cultures, embracing diversity and prioritizing kindness should be found at every school. If that makes them "crazy woke" I have a feeling the problem here is really you.

+1

Anyone using a phraseology of "woke" is an unserious person and should be dismissed as such.

[Anonymous]

Otterbein!