Dual Citizenship - How much would you pay?

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What haooened in 1948?
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Happened
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There was anti-Semitism in Germany, in France, in the US, in Poland, and the UK in 1930. But in some of them it resulted in genocide, and in others it didn’t. For complex cultural and military reasons.

This is why it is good to have options.

There is a non-zero chance the US will have a civil war in the next decade or two. I don’t think it is a high chance, but it is not zero. There was a (poorly planned and half-hearted) attempt at a coup on January 6. People who supported that coup are now in charge of the House. If you don’t take this seriously, you don’t understand what is happening. There are tens of millions of people in this country whose political views are incompatible with democracy. It’s very unlikely, but there may come a time when getting on a plane to Canada, the UK, or Eire, may be a very attractive option for you and your kids…
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US passports stolen from Italian hotels can command $40,000 each on the black market.
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My bestie got her Canadian citizenship; it took 5 years. She only used a lawyer for a small portion of the procedure; it was not pricey.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m paying $75 per person to sort out mine (Canada). Passports will be about that again I guess. Worth it for me, especially since we’re contemplating moving north next year.


Do you have relatives there? My grandparents were born there and my mother lived there. I wanted to get citizenship but not sure how to. Nova Scotia is so beautiful.


If your mother was born in Canada you get automatic citizenship through her — just apply for a Certificate of Citizenship with all the appropriate documentation (and wait about a year for them to process it). The expat citizenship only goes one generation though so if your mom was born outside of Canada it gets harder; I don’t think two native born grandparents cut it any more unfortunately.


That’s too bad. Some mothers in the area of Nova Scotia where it was easier to get a boat to Boston would give birth in Boston and go back. They were still doing home births in the 1940s.
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Anonymous wrote:I have British /US dual citizenship. I wouldn’t pay 5k for my American DD to get British citizenship because I don’t see a financial advantage. If she wants to go to school there cos will be the same because I pay US taxes not British.
I guess it depends on your income, whether it’s worth it or not, for me it wouldn’t be.


I agree that this is a very personal decision. For example, for us, the kids are going to study in the UK and we will pay foreign fees. But as uk citizens, they will be able to live and work in the UK after graduating, if they want, whereas us citizens can only do that if they get jobs paying certain incomes, which may well change in the future.

I guess my view comes from having partly Jewish ancestry, and the lesson from them was that the insurance of having different options can, at the right time, be priceless.

Not that I think it likely that anything is going to happen here. But thinking about the next election, and Trump, the chance of things going to shit is not zero.


I'm considering this, but out of fear of the progressive left's growing power. They're very anti-Semitic. Please open your eyes.


Europe is anti Muslim because so many refugees poured into Europe when Syria and Afghanistan were being torn apart. Right now it’s anti Israel but some are carrying hate over to anyone Jewish and some are being falsely accused because they object to the war.
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Anonymous wrote:She’s truly fluent in Italian and Spanish? How did you make that happen? Where did you get her language tested so she could put that on college apps/resume.
Thx


She grew up speaking Italian with my family and me, took Itaian in high school, and then spent a semester in high school studying in Italy. She tested into a pretty high level in the school where she studied, but I don't remember exactly which level but she needed to work on her writing skills.

She attended Spanish immersion schools from age two through high school where she was in Spanish Language A in her IB Diploma program. The Language A groups are for native or near native-speaking students. Language Groups B are for students studying the language as non-native speakers. So yes, she has been tested in Spanish too. We've traveled to many Spanish-speaking countries with her where everyone she spoke with consdiered her to be native Spanish-speaking. She has a very neuteral accent so people always ask where she's from when she travels in Spanish-speaking countries.
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Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.

Which country, maybe I can help you.


We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,


You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.

OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.

I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.



What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...



PP you're quoting here.

1. I plan to retire in Italy. Yes, I can do it without citizenship on an Elective Residency visa (you have to prove passive income of a certain amount), BUT, I couldn't work at all. If I wanted to open a yoga studio, teach English classes, etc., I couldn't. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a work visa in Italy if you're not an EU citizen. I don't plan to stay idle when I retire - I want to do some sort of work.

2. My DD is very intersted in attending university in an EU country. It is much cheaper as a citizen. You don't have to live there. In fact, I have two nephews and a niece who live in EU countries who are not citizens, and their university tuitions were a fraction of what they would pay in the US. Grad school too.

3. I'm getting citizenship for my DD and my niece and newphew. They will pass this down to all future generations. All will have lots of options on where they can live.

4. DD for sure would like to live and work in an EU country. She is fluent in Spanish and Italian. She can live in any EU country and work as an EU citizen.

5. Last but not least, it is my heritage and I embrace it fully. I speak Italian and have been going to Italy since I was a child as my father and all of my grandparents were from Italy. While this reason has no practical purposes, it means a lot to me personally to have my Italian citizenship.

6. Kind of related - but my DH is from an Asian country and we are also getting green card type status for DD there. She will have lots of options for countries in which she can live and work.




What European universities are your niece and nephew attending that are letting them pay tuition that locals pay, even if they are not residents ?


They actually were residents, but not citizens. They had just moved to Europe right before they started college (siblings - one of them transferred from a university outside the EU, and one started as a Freshman). They were residents of Denmark but attended universities in the Netherlands.
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Anonymous wrote:What haooened in 1948?


Before 1948, Italian women couldn't pass citizenship down to their children. Citizenship was passed only through the father. In 1948, Italy wrote a new constitution and overturned that law. However, when proving Italian citizenship through bloodline, if your ancestor is female and their child was born before 1948, you have to petition the court in Italy to have citizenship recognized. That is why you must hire an Italian lawyer to file your case in court.

My father was born before 1948 and we're gaining citizenship through his mother, so we are a 1948 case. It is a completely different process than it is for people who don't have a 1948 case. They apply through their local Italian consultate and you don't need a lawyer for that. We can't gain citizenship through my grandfather because he naturalized before my father was born so the line is considred cut.

There are a lot of other US and Italian laws that apply so it can get pretty complicated.
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My Aunt spent $6k last year to get Irish citizenship so I think $15k for 3 is on target
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Anonymous wrote:Why do you need a lawyer? I did it all myself, even though it was a huge PITA and took a long time.

Which country, maybe I can help you.


We did this for Italy, it’s a PIA but you don’t need to hire someone,


You need to hire an Italian lawyer if you’re a 1948 case.

OP I’m also a 1948 through my father and grandmother. I’m paying around $8,000 for my lawyer including document collection and translations for four of us. But I started a couple of years ago when it was a bit cheaper and we’re about to file our case in the court of Bologna. Lots of good reasons for wanting dual citizenship.

I agree with PP who recommended the Facebook group. They’re extremely helpful for anyone seeking Italian citizenship through JS.



What are these reasons? I guess I lack imagination/awareness so explain it to me like I'm 5...



PP you're quoting here.

1. I plan to retire in Italy. Yes, I can do it without citizenship on an Elective Residency visa (you have to prove passive income of a certain amount), BUT, I couldn't work at all. If I wanted to open a yoga studio, teach English classes, etc., I couldn't. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a work visa in Italy if you're not an EU citizen. I don't plan to stay idle when I retire - I want to do some sort of work.

2. My DD is very intersted in attending university in an EU country. It is much cheaper as a citizen. You don't have to live there. In fact, I have two nephews and a niece who live in EU countries who are not citizens, and their university tuitions were a fraction of what they would pay in the US. Grad school too.

3. I'm getting citizenship for my DD and my niece and newphew. They will pass this down to all future generations. All will have lots of options on where they can live.

4. DD for sure would like to live and work in an EU country. She is fluent in Spanish and Italian. She can live in any EU country and work as an EU citizen.

5. Last but not least, it is my heritage and I embrace it fully. I speak Italian and have been going to Italy since I was a child as my father and all of my grandparents were from Italy. While this reason has no practical purposes, it means a lot to me personally to have my Italian citizenship.

6. Kind of related - but my DH is from an Asian country and we are also getting green card type status for DD there. She will have lots of options for countries in which she can live and work.




What European universities are your niece and nephew attending that are letting them pay tuition that locals pay, even if they are not residents ?


They actually were residents, but not citizens. They had just moved to Europe right before they started college (siblings - one of them transferred from a university outside the EU, and one started as a Freshman). They were residents of Denmark but attended universities in the Netherlands.


Ah, got it. Thanks for following up and posting!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There was anti-Semitism in Germany, in France, in the US, in Poland, and the UK in 1930. But in some of them it resulted in genocide, and in others it didn’t. For complex cultural and military reasons.

This is why it is good to have options.

There is a non-zero chance the US will have a civil war in the next decade or two. I don’t think it is a high chance, but it is not zero. There was a (poorly planned and half-hearted) attempt at a coup on January 6. People who supported that coup are now in charge of the House. If you don’t take this seriously, you don’t understand what is happening. There are tens of millions of people in this country whose political views are incompatible with democracy. It’s very unlikely, but there may come a time when getting on a plane to Canada, the UK, or Eire, may be a very attractive option for you and your kids…


100%. "It can't happen here."
Anonymous
I was born in the US, and currently live here. I grew up in Canada with canadian parents, so I plan to retire and move to Canada when I’m 60 or when healthcare becomes too expensive. I’m 48 and already paying $750 a month for an hmo which is absurd. Once it gets to $1000, I’m done with with ‘Merica and taking my canadian passport north. No way am I growing old and paying absurd prices for substandard hmo care. If I had employer paid coverage it would be different. Anyway, having dual citizenship is a blessing. I can make American dollars and then take them home once healthcare becomes too expensive.
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