Did your kid go to a T100-T200 school? Tell me here

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind that even T100 schools are pretty difficult to get into these days.

Also remember that for a lot of school selectivity is really about who is "hot" in the moment due to social buzz and marketing efforts: schools are "hot" or "not" within the span a few years with zero change in the academics or marketability of the degree.

Similarly many schools are niche for one reason or another (location, unique program aspects that may not be appealing to everyone, religion, etc.), and so the applicant pool is self-selecting, which lowers the "selectivity number" but has zero bearing on how good the school is academically and re: marketability.

How many other kids are applying is a fairly useless data point for choosing a school, though it might be a reason not to apply to some given the over popularity limiting admissions probability.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP: back to see what you all had to say and in reading this thread seeing some comments were deleted which is strange. For PP's who posted school lists please re-post if you don't mind!

Anyone with experience with University of Hawaii? I know that's slightly lower than T200 but curious - DC was intrigued by the focus on Asian studies/Japanese. They don't have a true "pre-law" but rather legal studies. Worried it's a suitcase school with such a high % of non-mainland students…

3.9 UW, excellent EC's and out of school volunteerism both with long time commitment & leadership. Rigorous class schedule, two different Honors science classes per year so far (school offers as EC's in other subjects apart from the usual Bio/Chem etc. e.g. Neuroscience Honors). DC is in 10th grade, we have time but I'd like to learn more about options all over the board vs. just focusing on T20 schools that seem so incredibly hard to get into year in/year out based on what I read on the boards here. Trying to cast a wide net, not have DC get their heart set on one school and feel celebratory when the time comes they get into a school they love based on what it offers and the fit and not that it fits into some mold of a "name" or rank.

A student doesn't have to major in pre-law to become a lawyer. The types of schools my kid was looking at might have a pre-law advisor but not a pre-law major--they'd major in any subject of their choice.

+1. Do not worry about pre-law. You can major in just about anything and get into a good law school, if you grades and LSATs are good enough.

+2. If anything, think about what kind of lawyer that you want to be. It may be that you're best off with an accounting major if you want to do tax law or a STEM major if you anticipate taking the patent bar or a language if you want international.

True in an ideal world, but hard to imagine a kid in high school knowing what kind of lawyer they want to be. Maybe the kid would have some idea if one or both parents were already a lawyer. (My parents were doctors, which convinced me that I didn't want to be a doctor - possibly having lawyer parents convinces their kids not to be lawyers, heh heh.)

The point is that you should follow your interests in undergrad, and that will likely lead you to what kind of lawyer you want to be, with a speciality or not. Law is a very broad field with may specialties.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP: back to see what you all had to say and in reading this thread seeing some comments were deleted which is strange. For PP's who posted school lists please re-post if you don't mind!

Anyone with experience with University of Hawaii? I know that's slightly lower than T200 but curious - DC was intrigued by the focus on Asian studies/Japanese. They don't have a true "pre-law" but rather legal studies. Worried it's a suitcase school with such a high % of non-mainland students…

3.9 UW, excellent EC's and out of school volunteerism both with long time commitment & leadership. Rigorous class schedule, two different Honors science classes per year so far (school offers as EC's in other subjects apart from the usual Bio/Chem etc. e.g. Neuroscience Honors). DC is in 10th grade, we have time but I'd like to learn more about options all over the board vs. just focusing on T20 schools that seem so incredibly hard to get into year in/year out based on what I read on the boards here. Trying to cast a wide net, not have DC get their heart set on one school and feel celebratory when the time comes they get into a school they love based on what it offers and the fit and not that it fits into some mold of a "name" or rank.

A student doesn't have to major in pre-law to become a lawyer. The types of schools my kid was looking at might have a pre-law advisor but not a pre-law major--they'd major in any subject of their choice.

+1. Do not worry about pre-law. You can major in just about anything and get into a good law school, if you grades and LSATs are good enough.

+2. If anything, think about what kind of lawyer that you want to be. It may be that you're best off with an accounting major if you want to do tax law or a STEM major if you anticipate taking the patent bar or a language if you want international.

True in an ideal world, but hard to imagine a kid in high school knowing what kind of lawyer they want to be. Maybe the kid would have some idea if one or both parents were already a lawyer. (My parents were doctors, which convinced me that I didn't want to be a doctor - possibly having lawyer parents convinces their kids not to be lawyers, heh heh.)

The point is that you should follow your interests in undergrad, and that will likely lead you to what kind of lawyer you want to be, with a speciality or not. Law is a very broad field with may specialties.

+1 I know lawyers who started out as science majors and ended up in patent law and lawyers who started out as music majors who went into entertainment (representing artists) and intellectual property law (music rights issues). Follow what interests you.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi OP,

I set up the same parameters for my kid’s search. They still applied - and were accepted to Top 50 schools, but they were non-starters for us too because of the costs.

Check out the schools listed by US News as regional schools. Some are not nationally ranked because they are too small, while others are usually below 150 to the mid 200s. Most give generous merit scholarships and many have Honors Colleges or Honors Programs. My DC attends St. Joseph’s University aka St. Joe’s in Philadelphia. A Jesuit school with 4,000 undergrads, the school provides advising from freshman year on, and colleges of pharmacy, arts & science, business, nursing, education, and liberal arts. They also have many combined 3-2 health certification programs such as PA.

DC graduated from a local DMV private with a 3.5 and a 1440 SAT. They were not accepted into St. Joe’s small honors program because of their low-ish HS GPA. They’ve excelled at SJU, being a big fish in a little pond. Lots of great internships, shadowships, study abroad, and honors programs, and hands-on attention from professors. Majoring in finance, this summer they’ll be interning at a best in class global firm with an intern acceptance rate of only 2%.

We read somewhere, early in our search, a research study showing that the best indicator of success is where a kid applies. If they see themselves at Georgetown or Penn, for example, they’ll achieve at that level.

Good luck to your DC.

I can guarantee you that is doctored in some some way.

They went to a DC private. It may be a matter of dad asking a golfing buddy for a favor. When people talk about the name of the school not mattering for UMC and UC kids it's because those kids have networks to rely on instead of the college

This is the pp you are referring to. Dad doesn’t golf - he’s a fed! Kid just networked a ton and treated the internship search as another class. I think he spent the most time, actually, searching for internships, then a close tie between partying / chillaxing and classes.

And to 11:01 - you don’t know what you are talking about. Some of the very top finance internships have acceptance rates below 1%. Look it up. Google and investopedia are your friends.

Not the ones that someone from SJU is getting into without family connections; sorry. There are certainly none in the Philadelphia area (which I am intimately familiar with) that fit that description except SIG. Nor is it the case for back office “finance” internships in Charlotte, SLC, Wilmington DE or Philly.

NP. How in the world are you an authority on what someone else's kid (whom you don't know) did? So weird the need for some people here to play arbiter.

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That poster was really weird.