LAMB Waitlist

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Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

From 3rd to 4th SY21-22 to 21-23 kids went from LAMB to:
LAMB (53)
Oyster (<10)
School Without Walls @SF (<10)
CMI (<10)

From 4th to 5th LAMB kids went to:
LAMB (49)
Latin (<10)
BASIS (<10)
CMI (<10)

After 5th at LAMB:
DCI (18)
Paul PCS (<10)
Sojourner (<10)

Sorry, typo in years (fixed above)

My DC was one of the 18 5th graders in SY 21-22 that went to DCI in SY 22-23. That was a very small class (not more than 22-24 total) but the great majority went on to DCI (only one went to Sojourner, for instance). But if I am reading this correctly, I can't actually tell how many of this particular class departed from year to year, right? I wish we could see that because comparing 4th to 5th departures is meaningless to use as a measure of the quality of LAMB. We do know that for the class behind, 4th-5th, <10 went each to Latin, Basis & CMI. As PP stated this is (almost) entirely families who don't want to move on to DCI, and this is the year you have to leave to get into Latin, Basis, etc. The departures from 3rd to 4th are a better indicator for measuring the quality of LAMB. I am not going to cheerlead for UE at LAMB because it has been hit or miss. But you can't combine the 16 4th & 5th grade departures as PP stated as a measure of LAMB quality. People leave at each of those grade transitions for different reasons.

I agree that the usefulness of the data is limited because we can't track the YoY departures as a class moves along. Hopefully the data will continue to be released. (And hopefully someone with better Tableau skills than me will be able to manipulate it so i don't have to play with Excel).

If this data were crosswalked to the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it would be very interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

From 3rd to 4th SY21-22 to 21-23 kids went from LAMB to:
LAMB (53)
Oyster (<10)
School Without Walls @SF (<10)
CMI (<10)

From 4th to 5th LAMB kids went to:
LAMB (49)
Latin (<10)
BASIS (<10)
CMI (<10)

After 5th at LAMB:
DCI (18)
Paul PCS (<10)
Sojourner (<10)

Sorry, typo in years (fixed above)

My DC was one of the 18 5th graders in SY 21-22 that went to DCI in SY 22-23. That was a very small class (not more than 22-24 total) but the great majority went on to DCI (only one went to Sojourner, for instance). But if I am reading this correctly, I can't actually tell how many of this particular class departed from year to year, right? I wish we could see that because comparing 4th to 5th departures is meaningless to use as a measure of the quality of LAMB. We do know that for the class behind, 4th-5th, <10 went each to Latin, Basis & CMI. As PP stated this is (almost) entirely families who don't want to move on to DCI, and this is the year you have to leave to get into Latin, Basis, etc. The departures from 3rd to 4th are a better indicator for measuring the quality of LAMB. I am not going to cheerlead for UE at LAMB because it has been hit or miss. But you can't combine the 16 4th & 5th grade departures as PP stated as a measure of LAMB quality. People leave at each of those grade transitions for different reasons.

I agree that the usefulness of the data is limited because we can't track the YoY departures as a class moves along. Hopefully the data will continue to be released. (And hopefully someone with better Tableau skills than me will be able to manipulate it so i don't have to play with Excel).

If this data were crosswalked to the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it would be very interesting.

Imagine that and also include the boundary enrollment data. We'd get an unbiased view of what schools are generating and retaining engagement and whether trend lines change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

But where are they going? That's the real tell, right?

Real tell is that they’re looking to leave.

As a parent of one of the (few?) rising 4th graders not leaving, I have many complaints with how upper elementary (4th and 5th) is run. My complaints are the same ones I heard from upper elementary parents when my children were in PK3. What ever LAMB is not getting right in upper elementary is institutional and not the consequence of our recently departed ED and principal.

However, from talking with many of the families who are leaving, this year's exodus is less about LAMB and more about DCI, BASIS, and Washington Latin. If you're a family looking for an alternative to DCI/DCPS, the time to leave LAMB is after 4th grade.

There have been a marked downward trend in some things. My older child (at dci) speaks far better Spanish than my rising 5th grader for instance. The classroom organization seemed great last year, but not doing any preparation for the parcc and no assurances from teachers that learning gaps were being addressed was very troubling. Also while I’m glad former ED is gone, I have very little faith in the board (many who pulled their kids from upper el).

[Anonymous]

I know many families that are leaving. They’re leaving because the lottery gave them options. They chose Latin for its small class size, or basis for its rigor. Or for some these schools were more conveniently located to their house than DCI. Lamb can certainly improve upper elementary but I don’t think you can conclude that those who left did so because they disliked lamb. For most it was a tough decision and if they would have had an option to defer until after 5th grade they likely would have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

From 3rd to 4th SY21-22 to 21-23 kids went from LAMB to:
LAMB (53)
Oyster (<10)
School Without Walls @SF (<10)
CMI (<10)

From 4th to 5th LAMB kids went to:
LAMB (49)
Latin (<10)
BASIS (<10)
CMI (<10)

After 5th at LAMB:
DCI (18)
Paul PCS (<10)
Sojourner (<10)

Sorry, typo in years (fixed above)

My DC was one of the 18 5th graders in SY 21-22 that went to DCI in SY 22-23. That was a very small class (not more than 22-24 total) but the great majority went on to DCI (only one went to Sojourner, for instance). But if I am reading this correctly, I can't actually tell how many of this particular class departed from year to year, right? I wish we could see that because comparing 4th to 5th departures is meaningless to use as a measure of the quality of LAMB. We do know that for the class behind, 4th-5th, <10 went each to Latin, Basis & CMI. As PP stated this is (almost) entirely families who don't want to move on to DCI, and this is the year you have to leave to get into Latin, Basis, etc. The departures from 3rd to 4th are a better indicator for measuring the quality of LAMB. I am not going to cheerlead for UE at LAMB because it has been hit or miss. But you can't combine the 16 4th & 5th grade departures as PP stated as a measure of LAMB quality. People leave at each of those grade transitions for different reasons.

I agree that the usefulness of the data is limited because we can't track the YoY departures as a class moves along. Hopefully the data will continue to be released. (And hopefully someone with better Tableau skills than me will be able to manipulate it so i don't have to play with Excel).

If this data were crosswalked to the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it would be very interesting.

Imagine that and also include the boundary enrollment data. We'd get an unbiased view of what schools are generating and retaining engagement and whether trend lines change.

The thing is, every time they re-do the boundaries it makes the data complicated. There's no way to account for kids who are OOB right now, but at the time they enrolled in the school they were IB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

From 3rd to 4th SY21-22 to 21-23 kids went from LAMB to:
LAMB (53)
Oyster (<10)
School Without Walls @SF (<10)
CMI (<10)

From 4th to 5th LAMB kids went to:
LAMB (49)
Latin (<10)
BASIS (<10)
CMI (<10)

After 5th at LAMB:
DCI (18)
Paul PCS (<10)
Sojourner (<10)

Sorry, typo in years (fixed above)

My DC was one of the 18 5th graders in SY 21-22 that went to DCI in SY 22-23. That was a very small class (not more than 22-24 total) but the great majority went on to DCI (only one went to Sojourner, for instance). But if I am reading this correctly, I can't actually tell how many of this particular class departed from year to year, right? I wish we could see that because comparing 4th to 5th departures is meaningless to use as a measure of the quality of LAMB. We do know that for the class behind, 4th-5th, <10 went each to Latin, Basis & CMI. As PP stated this is (almost) entirely families who don't want to move on to DCI, and this is the year you have to leave to get into Latin, Basis, etc. The departures from 3rd to 4th are a better indicator for measuring the quality of LAMB. I am not going to cheerlead for UE at LAMB because it has been hit or miss. But you can't combine the 16 4th & 5th grade departures as PP stated as a measure of LAMB quality. People leave at each of those grade transitions for different reasons.

I agree that the usefulness of the data is limited because we can't track the YoY departures as a class moves along. Hopefully the data will continue to be released. (And hopefully someone with better Tableau skills than me will be able to manipulate it so i don't have to play with Excel).

If this data were crosswalked to the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it would be very interesting.

Imagine that and also include the boundary enrollment data. We'd get an unbiased view of what schools are generating and retaining engagement and whether trend lines change.

I would also like to know the numbers re a family that received through the lottery an offer from another school but elected to stay at the child's present school. As far as I know, the data publically available only tracks when an offer is accepted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had a single digit number last year and didn't get off the waitlist until 2 weeks before school started.

When the historic waitlist data says "Total Waitlist Offers made by August" does that mean by the beginning of August or by the end of August? Maybe I've been misunderstanding the data there.

I don't think they say a precise date, but my understanding is it's the end.

I'm not sure. I'm the PP who got off the waitlist mid-August last year, and just wanted to update that we were single-digit for PK3

[Anonymous]

I don’t think it’s totally out of the ordinary for people to leave Montessori in upper elementary, regardless of the school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s totally out of the ordinary for people to leave Montessori in upper elementary, regardless of the school

+1

This! We are a family hoping to get into LAMB for PK but I have no illusions that we will stick with Montessori through 5th grade. Also a PP mentioned no PARCC prep which I actually think is a plus. I can’t stand the emphasis on standardized tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know many families that are leaving. They’re leaving because the lottery gave them options. They chose Latin for its small class size, or basis for its rigor. Or for some these schools were more conveniently located to their house than DCI. Lamb can certainly improve upper elementary but I don’t think you can conclude that those who left did so because they disliked lamb. For most it was a tough decision and if they would have had an option to defer until after 5th grade they likely would have.

This describes us. We are leaving, but absolutely would have stayed through 5th if we could have somehow deferred our spot for a year. Since that is (understandably) not an option, we are leaving, but even so it was a hard decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know many families that are leaving. They’re leaving because the lottery gave them options. They chose Latin for its small class size, or basis for its rigor. Or for some these schools were more conveniently located to their house than DCI. Lamb can certainly improve upper elementary but I don’t think you can conclude that those who left did so because they disliked lamb. For most it was a tough decision and if they would have had an option to defer until after 5th grade they likely would have.

This describes us. We are leaving, but absolutely would have stayed through 5th if we could have somehow deferred our spot for a year. Since that is (understandably) not an option, we are leaving, but even so it was a hard decision.

Why did you prefer your offer rather than DCI?

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Anonymous wrote:I know many families that are leaving. They’re leaving because the lottery gave them options. They chose Latin for its small class size, or basis for its rigor. Or for some these schools were more conveniently located to their house than DCI. Lamb can certainly improve upper elementary but I don’t think you can conclude that those who left did so because they disliked lamb. For most it was a tough decision and if they would have had an option to defer until after 5th grade they likely would have.

This describes us. We are leaving, but absolutely would have stayed through 5th if we could have somehow deferred our spot for a year. Since that is (understandably) not an option, we are leaving, but even so it was a hard decision.

Why did you prefer your offer rather than DCI?

Much smaller classes (both the individual classes, but also the full class year are noticeably smaller and both of these will (I think) really improve the middle school/high school experience for my child) and a significantly better commute. Even so, we still almost turned down the offer (and accepted it in part because my child was on board with continuing spanish lessons outside of school time).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

From 3rd to 4th SY21-22 to 21-23 kids went from LAMB to:
LAMB (53)
Oyster (<10)
School Without Walls @SF (<10)
CMI (<10)

From 4th to 5th LAMB kids went to:
LAMB (49)
Latin (<10)
BASIS (<10)
CMI (<10)

After 5th at LAMB:
DCI (18)
Paul PCS (<10)
Sojourner (<10)

Sorry, typo in years (fixed above)

My DC was one of the 18 5th graders in SY 21-22 that went to DCI in SY 22-23. That was a very small class (not more than 22-24 total) but the great majority went on to DCI (only one went to Sojourner, for instance). But if I am reading this correctly, I can't actually tell how many of this particular class departed from year to year, right? I wish we could see that because comparing 4th to 5th departures is meaningless to use as a measure of the quality of LAMB. We do know that for the class behind, 4th-5th, <10 went each to Latin, Basis & CMI. As PP stated this is (almost) entirely families who don't want to move on to DCI, and this is the year you have to leave to get into Latin, Basis, etc. The departures from 3rd to 4th are a better indicator for measuring the quality of LAMB. I am not going to cheerlead for UE at LAMB because it has been hit or miss. But you can't combine the 16 4th & 5th grade departures as PP stated as a measure of LAMB quality. People leave at each of those grade transitions for different reasons.

I agree that the usefulness of the data is limited because we can't track the YoY departures as a class moves along. Hopefully the data will continue to be released. (And hopefully someone with better Tableau skills than me will be able to manipulate it so i don't have to play with Excel).

If this data were crosswalked to the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it would be very interesting.

Imagine that and also include the boundary enrollment data. We'd get an unbiased view of what schools are generating and retaining engagement and whether trend lines change.

The thing is, every time they re-do the boundaries it makes the data complicated. There's no way to account for kids who are OOB right now, but at the time they enrolled in the school they were IB.

You must not live here. The boundary reviews are infrequent and the only changes they make nibble around the edges. The number of kids and schools in the situation you are describing is a rounding error.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://edscape.dc.gov/page/student-enrollment-pathways

You can look at data on where students come from and where they go, if you scroll down to the second display. For last year, it shows that 49 4th graders stayed at LAMB for 5th, others went to BASIS, Latin, and CMI. After 5th, only 18 matriculated to DCI (!), others to Truth, Paul, and out of the DC public school system.

Yes this is absolutely accurate. But I’m talking about rising 4th and 5th graders. I know at least 16 kids who are leaving,

From 3rd to 4th SY21-22 to 21-23 kids went from LAMB to:
LAMB (53)
Oyster (<10)
School Without Walls @SF (<10)
CMI (<10)

From 4th to 5th LAMB kids went to:
LAMB (49)
Latin (<10)
BASIS (<10)
CMI (<10)

After 5th at LAMB:
DCI (18)
Paul PCS (<10)
Sojourner (<10)

Sorry, typo in years (fixed above)

My DC was one of the 18 5th graders in SY 21-22 that went to DCI in SY 22-23. That was a very small class (not more than 22-24 total) but the great majority went on to DCI (only one went to Sojourner, for instance). But if I am reading this correctly, I can't actually tell how many of this particular class departed from year to year, right? I wish we could see that because comparing 4th to 5th departures is meaningless to use as a measure of the quality of LAMB. We do know that for the class behind, 4th-5th, <10 went each to Latin, Basis & CMI. As PP stated this is (almost) entirely families who don't want to move on to DCI, and this is the year you have to leave to get into Latin, Basis, etc. The departures from 3rd to 4th are a better indicator for measuring the quality of LAMB. I am not going to cheerlead for UE at LAMB because it has been hit or miss. But you can't combine the 16 4th & 5th grade departures as PP stated as a measure of LAMB quality. People leave at each of those grade transitions for different reasons.

I agree that the usefulness of the data is limited because we can't track the YoY departures as a class moves along. Hopefully the data will continue to be released. (And hopefully someone with better Tableau skills than me will be able to manipulate it so i don't have to play with Excel).

If this data were crosswalked to the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it would be very interesting.

Imagine that and also include the boundary enrollment data. We'd get an unbiased view of what schools are generating and retaining engagement and whether trend lines change.

The thing is, every time they re-do the boundaries it makes the data complicated. There's no way to account for kids who are OOB right now, but at the time they enrolled in the school they were IB.

You must not live here. The boundary reviews are infrequent and the only changes they make nibble around the edges. The number of kids and schools in the situation you are describing is a rounding error.

I certainly do live here, and if you consider the follow-on effect of people having sibling preference because their oldest child got in as IB, it isn't that small. It can be a lot in certain areas even if it isn't that much citywide. The boundary review is happening now, so it will skew the data for the next few years. And then there's the effect of newly opened schools, which is happening lately as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Do people think there will be more waitlist movement as we hit August? We've barely seen our number move at all at LAMB (pk3). Not sure if that's the usual pattern or if it feels like the waitlist is moving slower this year?

There was a big exodus from Upper El this year, although that doesn’t mean they will backfill for the younger grades.

Wow, why did that happen?

I'm sure there were some people that pulled Upper El kids because they were unhappy but most of the people I know who are leaving Upper El, are doing so because they got a spot at Latin or BASIS. For the families I am friends with, this was less about LAMB and more about Latin/BASIS.

It is absolutely a referendum on lamb to leave for basis or Latin. Neither has spanish (very telling- and many of the families who are leaving told me that their children’s spanish had deteriorated to the point where they decided to abandon spanish) and since dci at lamb is practically guaranteed, it is more of a question whether these kids want to waste 5th grade coloring and napping or if they want to go to a school that actually teaches math, for example.

Again I know many families happy with their teachers, but it should ring warning bells that so many upper el families left.

As a parent who is leaving, I agree with this. If LAMB was good in a good place, people wouldn't be leaving. There are reasons for the mass exodus. They may be individual reasons, but they all, at least in part, trace back to a school that is in decline despite good teachers.