Holton vs RMIB

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Anonymous wrote:I seriously doubt Holton kids can survive RMIB program. It is incredibly hard.



+1 and I'm a Hotlon parent.


B.S.! You are not a Holton parent. Public schools are inferior.
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Anonymous wrote:My DD got into both. Schools are so different - not sure how to compare. Curious about other people's experiences with either program. Academics? Peers? Pressure - social and academic?? Distance isn't a factor as we live right between the two.


Sharing Holton experience: girls will be emotionally and socially supported well through Holton’s program and culture. when we interviewed my favorite was the alumni panel discussing how well Holton prepared them with academics and confidence. The community includes the family. The academics aren’t separate from mental health and well-being. I’m concerned about the toll on girls mental health and the small size plus emotional support is too notch. Holton has great school spirit. My DD loves it there. Very down to earth families. Holton has a great magazine and newspaper, a stellar arts program. Many opportunities to lead and prepare to lead in college and beyond.
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My kiddo was accepted into the incoming 9th grade class at RMIB. They do are coming from a small, nurturing K-8 private, which was a great environment for confidence building and individualized attention. But they really wanted a larger environment, and having attended public for elementary, wanted to return to experiencing a wider variety of kids. They are also highly interested in the IB diploma.

If it's helpful, I've spoken with three families/students who are currently graduating from the program or did recently--all girls. All three girls are smart and kind kids. Two really thrived and said it was a great experience. One really struggled and her mom said she felt somehow less confident after being around so many high achieving kids. So I do think for some kids it is not a great fit, even if they are smart.

I will say that I have some concerns about the workload. Everyone I've spoken with has commented on how much homework there is. So we shall see!

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Anonymous wrote:I seriously doubt Holton kids can survive RMIB program. It is incredibly hard.



+1 and I'm a Hotlon parent.


+2 ex Holton parent. IB program is super rigourous.


I am an IB diploma graduate. I don't understand why kids with an average 1400 SAT couldn't handle an IB program easily. Is there something extra hard about IB at RM?


Lol yes. Can you imagine taking all of your IB diploma tests and taking relevant classes for/self studying on the side for 12+ APs and a normal, intensive extracurricular schedule? Because that was the norm in the IB program. I slept way more in college than I did during IB. I didn’t appreciate enough until I went to HYP how brilliant my RMIB classmates were.

+1 I don't know about other IB programs, but most of the RMIB students self study for some of the AP exams. And of course, they all have lots of outside activities. These are super high achieving kids, and the program is not for the faint of heart. I know a few RMIB students who dropped out because of the time demand in order for them to get an A in the class.


This seems like self-inflicted overkill. I am not sure it reflects "brilliance" but it sure reflects hyper-competitiveness. I can see why this cohort would create a pressure-cooker environment.

These are over achieving kids. If you don't want your kid to feel this kind of pressure, then yea, don't do RMIB.

These kids don't have the same resources that the wealthier private schools have. But, they manage to achieve high test scores and get the IB diploma.


At first I was thinking if I were OP I would prefer to save the money given the similar academic profiles and college outcomes. But after reading this thread I definitely see why someone would pay for Holton. I would definitely want an intellectually vivacious environment for my nerdy kid, but not a “cutthroat” atmosphere where kids feel like they have to take a zillion AP tests on top of their IB tests. To what end? This exam-culture makes no sense. I see no point to pushing kids to overachieve just so they can be the top dog, rather than encouraging kids to learn for the sake of learning.


I wouldn’t use the word “cutthroat” to describe IB kids. Yes, they are incredibly driven and want to do well but 8 years my kids spent there, I’ve never gotten sense of kids competing with each other. Each kid is competing with himself/herself. It’s perfect for certain kids. Not for many.


That’s good to know. I think some of the more intense RMIB posts here are kind of making the school look bad with a really show-off hyper-competitive parent vibe. But that type of parent and student exists at most places.


My child turned down RMIB while we were still waiting for private school results. In my child's case, it was the result of negative experiences at the RMIB shadow day that reinforced some of the worst stereotypes about the school - hypercompetitive, a little bit nasty, and weirdly snobbish and racially tone deaf for an integrated public high school.

It was actually surprising (to me) and ironic that the private school seemed less snobbish, kinder, and more racially aware than a large public high school, but that was the experience.
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Anonymous wrote:I seriously doubt Holton kids can survive RMIB program. It is incredibly hard.



+1 and I'm a Hotlon parent.


+2 ex Holton parent. IB program is super rigourous.


I am an IB diploma graduate. I don't understand why kids with an average 1400 SAT couldn't handle an IB program easily. Is there something extra hard about IB at RM?


Lol yes. Can you imagine taking all of your IB diploma tests and taking relevant classes for/self studying on the side for 12+ APs and a normal, intensive extracurricular schedule? Because that was the norm in the IB program. I slept way more in college than I did during IB. I didn’t appreciate enough until I went to HYP how brilliant my RMIB classmates were.

+1 I don't know about other IB programs, but most of the RMIB students self study for some of the AP exams. And of course, they all have lots of outside activities. These are super high achieving kids, and the program is not for the faint of heart. I know a few RMIB students who dropped out because of the time demand in order for them to get an A in the class.


This seems like self-inflicted overkill. I am not sure it reflects "brilliance" but it sure reflects hyper-competitiveness. I can see why this cohort would create a pressure-cooker environment.

These are over achieving kids. If you don't want your kid to feel this kind of pressure, then yea, don't do RMIB.

These kids don't have the same resources that the wealthier private schools have. But, they manage to achieve high test scores and get the IB diploma.


At first I was thinking if I were OP I would prefer to save the money given the similar academic profiles and college outcomes. But after reading this thread I definitely see why someone would pay for Holton. I would definitely want an intellectually vivacious environment for my nerdy kid, but not a “cutthroat” atmosphere where kids feel like they have to take a zillion AP tests on top of their IB tests. To what end? This exam-culture makes no sense. I see no point to pushing kids to overachieve just so they can be the top dog, rather than encouraging kids to learn for the sake of learning.


I wouldn’t use the word “cutthroat” to describe IB kids. Yes, they are incredibly driven and want to do well but 8 years my kids spent there, I’ve never gotten sense of kids competing with each other. Each kid is competing with himself/herself. It’s perfect for certain kids. Not for many.


That’s good to know. I think some of the more intense RMIB posts here are kind of making the school look bad with a really show-off hyper-competitive parent vibe. But that type of parent and student exists at most places.


My child turned down RMIB while we were still waiting for private school results. In my child's case, it was the result of negative experiences at the RMIB shadow day that reinforced some of the worst stereotypes about the school - hypercompetitive, a little bit nasty, and weirdly snobbish and racially tone deaf for an integrated public high school.

It was actually surprising (to me) and ironic that the private school seemed less snobbish, kinder, and more racially aware than a large public high school, but that was the experience.


RM has had a lot of issues. Fights, drug overdoses, assaults, and 2 guns on campus the last month. The IB kids stay pretty far apart from the other kids but it’s still stressful.
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Anonymous wrote:Years ago we picked Holton. Gave our DD the option to go back to RM (it was her home school) in 10th and then apply into 11th grade IB and she chose not to.

She thrived in private school. Small classes (12-16 kids) and dedicated teachers that had the time to evaluate and critique all essays, homework, tests, etc... So much feedback. So much group talks, field trips, current events, etc... So many more collaborations and group projects that they needed to work on in school. She has many teachers she is still very close with. They had couches or comfy chairs in their classes, nice lighting, some made food for them and they were always available. Parent teacher conferences were 15min a teacher and so in depth.

A better overall school day and one that was very aware of multi athlete and club, band, debate, etc... My DD played 2 varsity sports, did choir, was president of a big club, chematholon, and did many other things. Her and multiple other students created and started diversity days that are still ongoing. She was told that was almost non existent for RMIB students to have so many extra curriculars and administration that listened to students like they were almost equals. It was really nice and prepared her well at college.

My daughter didn't want a big university. She wanted a smaller to medium private college. Holton thrives in sending kids to the top private colleges. They do struggle with sending kids to some big universities because MCPS have inflated grading systems and massive colleges look at numbers more than a person or the school they came from. Holton has number grades and honors is only a 0.5 bump. And an 79.5 and 89.5 = barely a B and not an A the way it would in MCPS. So if your goal is UMD - go to RMIB. If you want Rice, Williams, Harvey Mudd, etc... Holton is a better option.

Holton will get you a college counselor that works with you for 2 full years and picks great colleges specifically for your DD and have great connections. They work to get scholarships in your EC's.

A lot of drama is gone in a single sex school. No phones allowed during the school day. Computers are used but not all day like in public. Girls are really focused in the classroom, have great discussions, and work hard in all classes. No boys to overtake the math and science. My DD had 2 friends in RMIB and they always complained about the know it all boys. It was very sexist. And yes, you will always have to deal with it but my daughter went into a college that is 65% male and dominated having those years of female empowerment.

Her 2 close friends at RMIB. One was naturally ridiculously smart and did well. The other one was very smart but encouraged by parents to high achievement and had probably the 2 worst years of her life fresh and soph year. She dropped all EC's and her favorite sports. HW for hours every night. She hated it and said she would have got into the college she got without it and regretted it. So I think RMIB works if you are 100% driven and focus on academics 24/7. If not, Holton helps create a much better overall person if that makes sense.

RM will be better for sports attendance and obviously if your DD is close with a lot of boys platonically, she might not like an all girl school. Holton is surprisingly very diverse with a lot of international, diplomat kids, and over 35% on scholarship. It isn't as white and rich as you think. But the rich end is far higher than say Fallsgrove/Rose Hill area of RM. That is middle class at Holton.

A few other perks of Holton. Their breakfast and lunch are included and it is amazing. No one brings food to school.

And uniforms are wonderful

Good luck with your decision!

All RMIB kids have lots of extra curricular activities. They are not focused 24/7 on academics. But, yes, RMIB is rigorous. If you aren't really smart, it's gonna be hard. It's not for everyone.

Lots of RMIB kids also attend top colleges. Not sure why you think they only strive for UMD. That's ridiculous. But a lot do go to UMD because their families aren't wealthy.

https://www.scribd.com/document/477346870/College-Bound-2020#

Rice, Harvey Mudd, all on the list. Your post is ridiculous.


Woah, I struck a nerve. Never said RMIB only has kids go to UMD. I said it is easier for RMIB to get into major universities that focus on GPA’s because Holton doesn’t focus on numbers. You can’t get a 5.0 GPA there. Smaller colleges with less applicants that look at the rigor of the high school and know the differences in inflated grading systems. UMD does not. Too many applicants. They follow a numbers game. Many Marylanders want UMD scholar and honors college and scholarships because it is a great deal. RMIB is better for that because of the high GPA and test scores. So are other big universities that focus on numbers. It’s was very noticeable and it could help the OP decide. Some have Maryland 529 plans or are alumni at Michigan, UCLA, etc… RM would be better.

So calm down with your ignorant self
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For APs vs. IB at RM, frankly, the APs were a breeze and most of my IB classmates barely had to study for them, which is why most of us took so many.

Also agreed it was not cutthroat, we collaborated all the time to get HW done — it would have been impossible otherwise. Also a general misery loves company feeling, which resulted in strong camaraderie.

As for the non-IB drugs/alcohol/violence, generally the IB group stayed out, there was a bit of mixing with drugs (just weed)/alcohol by junior and senior year, especially with those on JV/Varsity sports, but it wasn’t a ton, and the kids who were smoking weed still had really stellar grades and seemed a bit bored because they were so far ahead of the rest of us. Didn’t really impact our every day, and frankly I look back and am grateful not to have been so sheltered.

Class is made up of a ton of immigrant children, most of the immigrants have MD/PhDs themselves, so it’s definitely a self selecting high-achieving bunch.

I would say 30% of the original 100 ended up going to a top 20-30 school. A number of kids with perfect standardized test scores, or very close to perfect.

Coming out of RMIB gave me a huge amount of confidence in college, and would highly recommend only if your child is ready to work really hard during HS.
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Anonymous wrote:It is unbelievable the things people will make up on this board just to make people decline a spot at a magnet.


This is a private school board. No one here cares about magnet spots LOL - and most that get into RMIB get into other magnets anyway.


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RMIB has not done well over the past 5 years as it used to. Not sure why but the other magnets have surpassed it and many kids pick other magnet spots. It isn’t that hard. And a lot of families don’t want the long commutes added to already too rigorous schedules.


They added 4? More IB magnets. Kids have more options that might be closer to home.
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Holton for sure. The best part for me is so much less stress when they are in private. They offer breakfast and lunch. Uniforms simplify wardrobe. There aren't fights, assaults, and the smelling of weed. My daughter has really been able to focus on learning. She takes AP's but the school is really good about not allowing the kids to overload and work on EC's, sports, band, etc... The class sizes are so small and the teachers are absolutely amazing. Her anxiety is so much better compared to public middle school. I can't say for sure that she would have been better or worse at RM, but she is happy and honestly so are we. They teach these girls to just be better thoughtful smart and confident human beings.
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Anonymous wrote:Holton for sure. The best part for me is so much less stress when they are in private. They offer breakfast and lunch. Uniforms simplify wardrobe. There aren't fights, assaults, and the smelling of weed. My daughter has really been able to focus on learning. She takes AP's but the school is really good about not allowing the kids to overload and work on EC's, sports, band, etc... The class sizes are so small and the teachers are absolutely amazing. Her anxiety is so much better compared to public middle school. I can't say for sure that she would have been better or worse at RM, but she is happy and honestly so are we. They teach these girls to just be better thoughtful smart and confident human beings.


Which AP exams has she taken?
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What did you decide PP
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Anonymous wrote:Holton for sure. The best part for me is so much less stress when they are in private. They offer breakfast and lunch. Uniforms simplify wardrobe. There aren't fights, assaults, and the smelling of weed. My daughter has really been able to focus on learning. She takes AP's but the school is really good about not allowing the kids to overload and work on EC's, sports, band, etc... The class sizes are so small and the teachers are absolutely amazing. Her anxiety is so much better compared to public middle school. I can't say for sure that she would have been better or worse at RM, but she is happy and honestly so are we. They teach these girls to just be better thoughtful smart and confident human beings.


Far worse at RM.
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Some PPs are trying to make RMIB sound like a terrible school. It's a very large public schools so there may be some fights and drug use in the bathrooms but it is something your child may never encounter in 4 years there.
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Anonymous wrote:Some PPs are trying to make RMIB sound like a terrible school. It's a very large public schools so there may be some fights and drug use in the bathrooms but it is something your child may never encounter in 4 years there.


I'm an RMIB parent, and think its a great school. But I think it's crazy to say that your kid won't experience something like drug use in the bathroom in four years there. If it's important to you that your kid go four years without seeking someone vape weed in the bathroom, definitely pick another school. I also think it's very unlikely to go 4 years without at least witnessing a fight, but that somewhat more random -- it's not like there are fights every day. My kid is pretty attuned and if anything appears to be going awry, heads in the other direction quickly. And also avoids a certain hallway that is much more congested and therefore more likely to have issues. I don't think the fights, when they do happen, are a big factor in my kid's existence, nor is the fact that some kids are regular drug users. (The bathroom issues and the overcrowding do impact the experience negatively.) Overall, it's just a really different experience than a place like Holton, and if you go into RMIB thinking it's going to be like Holton but with more APs and the IB curriculum, that expectation will not be met.
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Anonymous wrote:Some PPs are trying to make RMIB sound like a terrible school. It's a very large public schools so there may be some fights and drug use in the bathrooms but it is something your child may never encounter in 4 years there.


I'm an RMIB parent, and think its a great school. But I think it's crazy to say that your kid won't experience something like drug use in the bathroom in four years there. If it's important to you that your kid go four years without seeking someone vape weed in the bathroom, definitely pick another school. I also think it's very unlikely to go 4 years without at least witnessing a fight, but that somewhat more random -- it's not like there are fights every day. My kid is pretty attuned and if anything appears to be going awry, heads in the other direction quickly. And also avoids a certain hallway that is much more congested and therefore more likely to have issues. I don't think the fights, when they do happen, are a big factor in my kid's existence, nor is the fact that some kids are regular drug users. (The bathroom issues and the overcrowding do impact the experience negatively.) Overall, it's just a really different experience than a place like Holton, and if you go into RMIB thinking it's going to be like Holton but with more APs and the IB curriculum, that expectation will not be met.


dp - i don't necessarily think you two are saying different things. your point, i believe, is kids learn to navigate the hot spots and learn to avoid it. i think pp before you were saying, slightly differently maybe, the same thing. at least that's how i read it.
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