Georgetown Pike needs to be dualized

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Replace it with an eight to ten-lane freeway that will bulldoze Great Falls and cut travel times between Route 7 and the Beltway by 15 minutes. Name the road after Glenn Youngkin.

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Anonymous wrote:Replace it with an eight to ten-lane freeway that will bulldoze Great Falls and cut travel times between Route 7 and the Beltway by 15 minutes. Name the road after Glenn Youngkin.

Ironically, he'd have to drive on it to get anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Replace it with an eight to ten-lane freeway that will bulldoze Great Falls and cut travel times between Route 7 and the Beltway by 15 minutes. Name the road after Glenn Youngkin.

Ironically, he'd have to drive on it to get anywhere.

That's precisely why I suggested the name.

And we'll make it real ugly, too: Weed-choked medians. Potholes. Towering non-descript concrete barriers. VDOT knows how to do all of this really well.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

WTF. Speed limits are not discretionary.

You must be new to the area.

Hopefully the cops will stop you - and jail you - before you hurt someone else. For your education, ye who claims to be a long-time resident: https://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053

Are you a child? NP

Are you someone who enjoys going to jail simply because they couldn’t control their impatience? Speed recklessly in the wrong part of VA and you will go to a jail. Spouting inane insults won’t change that for you.

I think PP is asking if you are a child because it seems that you have never driven in VA before. Everyone knows the reckless driving rules in VA. The fact that you feel the need to link to a dumb article from a website called Kotaku that focuses on video games gives away your demographic. So to ask PPs question, are you in fact a child?

The depths of your stupidity are only surpassed by your sheer laziness. The website was not “Kotaku”, but Jalopnik. It doesn’t focus on video games, but rather cars and is one of the most popular car websites in the world. The author of the article was on a test drive . . . Ah, screw it, why the hell am I even bothering to engage with a run-of-the-mill internet moron who has no interest in civil discourse and no capacity for logical thought? That’s a rhetorical question, although I doubt you grasp the concept.

I’m sorry for confusing your car website for kids for a video game website for kids.

Just tell me this, when you posted the link did you think you were conveying vital information to people who have lived in the DMV for decades?

You still have responded whether you are a child, which is telling.

Here’s a tip, if you’re an adult and you want to let other adults know the law you can post a link to the code of VA and spare us the story about some millennial’s travel exploits. LOL.

My goodness. You showed your face again. Not just a cranky idiot, but a shameless one also.

Look up the difference between de jure and de facto laws and think long and hard - difficult for you, I get it - about how it may be applicable in this instance.

Uh, do you know what de jure and de facto even mean? Totally insane that you have no clue what you are talking about and just spouting off.

Ha! I guess asking someone who reads “Jalopnik” as “Kotaku” to understand that not all the laws that are on the books are actually enforced was probably a bit of a stretch.

What law is not “on the books”? What are you even talking about in this case? There is common law and civil law. That’s it. There can be de facto and de jure rules. One example is that while the law is the speed limit, by de facto rule it is not enforced unless you are going substantially faster than the prevailing traffic and conditions at the time.

Is it not true that common law only applies where there is not a codified rule, i.e., a law (e.g., a speed limit)? For example, were you to be stopped on GP by a cop who clocks you at 25 mph over the speed limit, would you actually argue with them that you shouldn’t get a ticket because the general approach of the other drivers was to drive 25 mph over the limit? Would that be persuasive to that officer, do you think?

You are using words that you don’t know or understand. The law governing traffic enforcement is codified. Common law is still actual real law, but it doesn’t apply to criminal or civil enforcement. Go read a book.

Great. Then the speed limit is the law. There is no common law that applies to people exceeding the speed limit on GP. There is no de facto law that applies to speed limits.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

Question: how can you go faster than the speed limit without, you know, breaking the law?
DP

There is a posted speed limit and there’s an actual speed limit. I drive above the posted speed limit, by about 10 mph, if I deem it safe to do so. And even if I do that, there are people tailgating me. I have never gotten a ticket on G’Town Pike and I’m probably one of the safest drivers on that road.

Now, unless you drive 55 mph on the Capitol Beltway, and keep every jot and tittle of every traffic code wherever you go, I don’t think you’re in any position to lecture me about safe driving. I’ll put my record up against yours any day.

See you on the road.

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“Actual speed limit”. You are a complete and utter bell-end, as the English say.

There are a few southern counties I’d like to direct your speeding ass to. The local sheriffs would have more than a lot of fun with your notion of an “actual speed limit”.

You didn’t say whether or not you drove 55 mph (or less) on the Beltway. Do you?

I don’t always obey the speed limit. But at least I understand the concept.

Wut?

"I don't always obey laws against [theft, vandalism, assault, etc.] but at least I understand the concept."

Lol, but ermegherd bicyclist scofflaws, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

WTF. Speed limits are not discretionary.

You must be new to the area.

Hopefully the cops will stop you - and jail you - before you hurt someone else. For your education, ye who claims to be a long-time resident: https://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053

Are you a child? NP

Are you someone who enjoys going to jail simply because they couldn’t control their impatience? Speed recklessly in the wrong part of VA and you will go to a jail. Spouting inane insults won’t change that for you.

I think PP is asking if you are a child because it seems that you have never driven in VA before. Everyone knows the reckless driving rules in VA. The fact that you feel the need to link to a dumb article from a website called Kotaku that focuses on video games gives away your demographic. So to ask PPs question, are you in fact a child?

The depths of your stupidity are only surpassed by your sheer laziness. The website was not “Kotaku”, but Jalopnik. It doesn’t focus on video games, but rather cars and is one of the most popular car websites in the world. The author of the article was on a test drive . . . Ah, screw it, why the hell am I even bothering to engage with a run-of-the-mill internet moron who has no interest in civil discourse and no capacity for logical thought? That’s a rhetorical question, although I doubt you grasp the concept.

I’m sorry for confusing your car website for kids for a video game website for kids.

Just tell me this, when you posted the link did you think you were conveying vital information to people who have lived in the DMV for decades?

You still have responded whether you are a child, which is telling.

Here’s a tip, if you’re an adult and you want to let other adults know the law you can post a link to the code of VA and spare us the story about some millennial’s travel exploits. LOL.

My goodness. You showed your face again. Not just a cranky idiot, but a shameless one also.

Look up the difference between de jure and de facto laws and think long and hard - difficult for you, I get it - about how it may be applicable in this instance.

Uh, do you know what de jure and de facto even mean? Totally insane that you have no clue what you are talking about and just spouting off.

Ha! I guess asking someone who reads “Jalopnik” as “Kotaku” to understand that not all the laws that are on the books are actually enforced was probably a bit of a stretch.

What law is not “on the books”? What are you even talking about in this case? There is common law and civil law. That’s it. There can be de facto and de jure rules. One example is that while the law is the speed limit, by de facto rule it is not enforced unless you are going substantially faster than the prevailing traffic and conditions at the time.

Is it not true that common law only applies where there is not a codified rule, i.e., a law (e.g., a speed limit)? For example, were you to be stopped on GP by a cop who clocks you at 25 mph over the speed limit, would you actually argue with them that you shouldn’t get a ticket because the general approach of the other drivers was to drive 25 mph over the limit? Would that be persuasive to that officer, do you think?

You are using words that you don’t know or understand. The law governing traffic enforcement is codified. Common law is still actual real law, but it doesn’t apply to criminal or civil enforcement. Go read a book.

Great. Then the speed limit is the law. There is no common law that applies to people exceeding the speed limit on GP. There is no de facto law that applies to speed limits.

Let me help you here. The de jure rule is the law as codified, in this case the posted speed limit. The de facto rule however is to drive consistent with the flow of traffic and road conditions. Comprendes?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

So you are one of the problems. The speed limits are there for a reason. Locals like the light at River Bend and would like a light at Leigh Mill and Swinks Mill - if it can be done considering the hill and any curve.

A bridge from western MoCo to Loudoun is not going to help the massive MD to VA commuter volume to Tysons, ARL, and even downtown DC that flows over the Am Leg Bridge.

I'm not a problem at all, seeing as I've never had an accident, nor a ticket on G'Town Pike. I drive at a safe speed, dictated by traffic and road conditions. There are parts of the road that are posted 35 mph that should be higher. The cops don't even drive 35 mph in those stretches.

I would like to see you speed limit absolutists for one day. I'm pretty sure you don't follow your own rules.

DP. I’m not a “speed absolutist” but I generally try to stay close to the speed limit - certainly not below it, but not much above it either. One thing is for sure - I’m not about to let some arrogant tailgating a$$hole intimidate me into speeding so that he can get where he’s going faster. If anything, tailgating will have the opposite effect. Pretty astounding to read the posts stating that you drive the speed YOU deem appropriate. I’d love for you to tell a cop that when you’re inevitably pulled over.

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Anonymous wrote:Add another set of lanes and overpasses.

Marylanders make up 3/4 of the traffic, because of the anti jobs crap in Montgomery County. They have to drive here to work. Change your vote and get people in that make it easier for companies to open/stay in Montgomery County. Then you won’t have to demand Virginians pay for your commute.

3/4 of the traffic on Georgetown Pike are people from Maryland? Are you serious?

I would also just like to add that you are not wrong about the anti-jobs outlook in Montgomery County. What’s funny though is that DC is going in the same direction. It’s funny to watch in real time.

I sit at the light at either 7 or GP where they meet while I wait to turn left onto Seneca. I get to view the plates turning onto GP and off GP. 3/4 during rush hour is MD.

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MD drivers are all over this area. And the aggressive drivers on G’town Pike are almost always MD drivers. Locals do not drive like that on the Pike.

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Just use Route 7 if that’s what you want. It’s all ready for you, holds lots of cars and speed limit is higher. The Pike is a historic roadway. It’s not meant to hold lots of traffic at high speeds. The roads off G’Town Pike are neighborhoods and go back quite far.People who drive the speed limit are local and know that school buses and other cars need to get on and off the Pike safely.

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Anonymous wrote:Just use Route 7 if that’s what you want. It’s all ready for you, holds lots of cars and speed limit is higher. The Pike is a historic roadway. It’s not meant to hold lots of traffic at high speeds. The roads off G’Town Pike are neighborhoods and go back quite far.People who drive the speed limit are local and know that school buses and other cars need to get on and off the Pike safely.

Yep. The OP is just a disgruntled MD-er or someone who lives nowhere near Gtown Pike but uses it as a shortcut. People who live along that road are very careful about driving the speed limit. Hopefully there will be more police ticketing jacka$$es who think they own the road.

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Anonymous wrote:Replace it with an eight to ten-lane freeway that will bulldoze Great Falls and cut travel times between Route 7 and the Beltway by 15 minutes. Name the road after Glenn Youngkin.

You poor victim. Losing still stings, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

It's never fun getting stuck behind a horse trailer on it.

Then go a different way? This is not difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

WTF. Speed limits are not discretionary.

You must be new to the area.

Hopefully the cops will stop you - and jail you - before you hurt someone else. For your education, ye who claims to be a long-time resident: https://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053

Are you a child? NP

Are you someone who enjoys going to jail simply because they couldn’t control their impatience? Speed recklessly in the wrong part of VA and you will go to a jail. Spouting inane insults won’t change that for you.

I think PP is asking if you are a child because it seems that you have never driven in VA before. Everyone knows the reckless driving rules in VA. The fact that you feel the need to link to a dumb article from a website called Kotaku that focuses on video games gives away your demographic. So to ask PPs question, are you in fact a child?

The depths of your stupidity are only surpassed by your sheer laziness. The website was not “Kotaku”, but Jalopnik. It doesn’t focus on video games, but rather cars and is one of the most popular car websites in the world. The author of the article was on a test drive . . . Ah, screw it, why the hell am I even bothering to engage with a run-of-the-mill internet moron who has no interest in civil discourse and no capacity for logical thought? That’s a rhetorical question, although I doubt you grasp the concept.

I’m sorry for confusing your car website for kids for a video game website for kids.

Just tell me this, when you posted the link did you think you were conveying vital information to people who have lived in the DMV for decades?

You still have responded whether you are a child, which is telling.

Here’s a tip, if you’re an adult and you want to let other adults know the law you can post a link to the code of VA and spare us the story about some millennial’s travel exploits. LOL.

My goodness. You showed your face again. Not just a cranky idiot, but a shameless one also.

Look up the difference between de jure and de facto laws and think long and hard - difficult for you, I get it - about how it may be applicable in this instance.

Uh, do you know what de jure and de facto even mean? Totally insane that you have no clue what you are talking about and just spouting off.

Ha! I guess asking someone who reads “Jalopnik” as “Kotaku” to understand that not all the laws that are on the books are actually enforced was probably a bit of a stretch.

What law is not “on the books”? What are you even talking about in this case? There is common law and civil law. That’s it. There can be de facto and de jure rules. One example is that while the law is the speed limit, by de facto rule it is not enforced unless you are going substantially faster than the prevailing traffic and conditions at the time.

Is it not true that common law only applies where there is not a codified rule, i.e., a law (e.g., a speed limit)? For example, were you to be stopped on GP by a cop who clocks you at 25 mph over the speed limit, would you actually argue with them that you shouldn’t get a ticket because the general approach of the other drivers was to drive 25 mph over the limit? Would that be persuasive to that officer, do you think?

You are using words that you don’t know or understand. The law governing traffic enforcement is codified. Common law is still actual real law, but it doesn’t apply to criminal or civil enforcement. Go read a book.

Great. Then the speed limit is the law. There is no common law that applies to people exceeding the speed limit on GP. There is no de facto law that applies to speed limits.

Let me help you here. The de jure rule is the law as codified, in this case the posted speed limit. The de facto rule however is to drive consistent with the flow of traffic and road conditions. Comprendes?

There may be a social norm for driving above the speed limit but there is no such thing as a “de facto rule” that trumps a posted speed limit. Let’s imagine you got pulled over for speeding and made your de facto argument to a police officer or better yet, to a judge. How do you think that would turn out?

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Anonymous wrote:Just use Route 7 if that’s what you want. It’s all ready for you, holds lots of cars and speed limit is higher. The Pike is a historic roadway. It’s not meant to hold lots of traffic at high speeds. The roads off G’Town Pike are neighborhoods and go back quite far.People who drive the speed limit are local and know that school buses and other cars need to get on and off the Pike safely.

Yep. The OP is just a disgruntled MD-er or someone who lives nowhere near Gtown Pike but uses it as a shortcut. People who live along that road are very careful about driving the speed limit. Hopefully there will be more police ticketing jacka$$es who think they own the road.

Oh, come on. I live in Great Falls. This isn't true. We all speed along G'Town Pike.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I think 193 is the most dangerous road in FFX County due to the road ragerz and entitled lead foots that drive on it. The worst road hands down.

Drove it this morning, it wasn't bad. The worst are the drivers who insist on going the speed limit when they could go faster. Also, the letting people in at Swinks Mill should be curtailed. It backs up too many on G'Town Pike. And don't get me started on the light at River Bend.

So you are one of the problems. The speed limits are there for a reason. Locals like the light at River Bend and would like a light at Leigh Mill and Swinks Mill - if it can be done considering the hill and any curve.

A bridge from western MoCo to Loudoun is not going to help the massive MD to VA commuter volume to Tysons, ARL, and even downtown DC that flows over the Am Leg Bridge.

I'm not a problem at all, seeing as I've never had an accident, nor a ticket on G'Town Pike. I drive at a safe speed, dictated by traffic and road conditions. There are parts of the road that are posted 35 mph that should be higher. The cops don't even drive 35 mph in those stretches.

I would like to see you speed limit absolutists for one day. I'm pretty sure you don't follow your own rules.

DP. I’m not a “speed absolutist” but I generally try to stay close to the speed limit - certainly not below it, but not much above it either. One thing is for sure - I’m not about to let some arrogant tailgating a$$hole intimidate me into speeding so that he can get where he’s going faster. If anything, tailgating will have the opposite effect. Pretty astounding to read the posts stating that you drive the speed YOU deem appropriate. I’d love for you to tell a cop that when you’re inevitably pulled over.

PP. Let me help you out, because you seem to have trouble comprehending what I’m saying. There is a happy medium between religiously driving the speed limit and going 80 mph. I don’t tailgate. That’s part of what it means to “go with the flow of traffic”. If I’m behind you, you probably won’t even know I’m there. I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences with tailgating a-holes, but I’m not one of them.