RMSC tryout results 2022

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Anonymous wrote:A friend’s 8 and under just got emailed they got in at MLK.

We did too! We have a very happy kid!

8U????

For real. If this thread doesn’t give Tiger mom vibes, nothing will. Like who gives a crap

Because people want to know the results of tryouts that were over a week ago?

It's perfectly reasonable to want results of tryouts in a timely manner.

It's also slightly batsh*t to send your 8&U to RMSC, given how poor their reputation is for stroke coaching.

If you want your kid to be competitive you pay for private lessons.

RMSC + private lessons for an 8&U is really a lot. Are you trying to burn your kid out?

Sigh - they just don't get it - it is so sad

You just don’t get it. Technique is important. My kid does not compete and does it for fun and exercise. But, rmsc does not work on technique.

I’m sorry your coach doesn’t, but our swimmers’ coaches absolutely work on technique.

As for the first PP who apparently doesn't get it - I absolutely get it. If you want to pretend that burnout among young athletes isn't a thing, you do you. I know far too many kids who developed shoulder injuries before they became teens, got fed up and exhausted with the early mornings, etc. All started club swimming 8&U. The idea that you need to start that young to ever be successful isn't true. There are tradeoffs that come with starting at different ages and choosing one program over another, for sure. But thinking there's one path to success is garbage.

I think this is so true for any sport! I'm so frustrated that my 8 y.o.s friends are moving to travel soccer/baseball etc. so soon. There is plenty of competition in the house leagues at their age. My son is a very good athlete, often the best on the team and he was the top 8U swimmer on the team this year with all star times in several strokes. But - he is 8 - and I want him to continue to try everything that he is interested in there. In most cases an athletically inclined and coordinated 8 yo will still be that way at 11 or 12. And who knows? He may find that some random sport he tries at 10 is the one he wants to stick with. I'd rather him find that out rather than specializing in something too early and risking injury or burn out.

We all played a different sport each season until well into middle school and that's when kids started to settle on one sport or another. The only thing that has changed since we were kids is that adults have found a way to monetize parents desire for their kids to be "the best" by creating travel teams for little kids and telling parents that one must do club swim at age 7.

Some of this is on you. We have not done meets at RMSC in the juniors program for two years and its been fine. No one forced us to do meets and were supportive when we'd pull our kids out when covid was bad/no distancing/precautions. Usually its more the parental pressure vs. coaches. In RMSC, most of the groups at the lower levels are so big the coaches really only care about the top kids who are going to move up so all that pressure is from you.

PP here. I am not sure I understand your response to my post. What is on me? My kids plays recreational sports - a different one each season - and do only summer swim. That is what we want for them so they get to experience a wide variety of activities before they pick one to focus on. I was just lamenting the fact that my 8 y.o.s friends specializing so early is disappointing because they are no longer on his teams.

There are a thousand different travel soccer teams, baseball teams and swim clubs taking little kids now. This was not happening when we were kids - these are huge money makers for these clubs - money used to produce the older kids who are the top athletes or on the top teams.

Are those 8 year olds truly specializing though? My 8 year old will be doing travel soccer and club swim this year. We purposely chose teams/clubs that don't practice as frequently as some others, so that he can continue both. In the winter the soccer commitment is much less so he will do rec basketball (1 practice and 1 game per week). So far he has been able to try out every sport he's interested in and these are the ones they like the most. There are others he hasn't wanted to try (baseball, lacrosse, tennis) so that makes it easier. I know some kids like literally every sport and their parents are going crazy trying to fit it all in even at the rec level. Both the soccer and swim clubs have told us repeatedly to keep our kids in more than one sport. They aren't pushing specialization at this age. I would stay away from an organization that was pushing this at 8 or making practice schedules such that other sports can't be done at the same time.

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What are the seniors coaches at MLK like?

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Anonymous wrote:A friend’s 8 and under just got emailed they got in at MLK.

We did too! We have a very happy kid!

8U????

For real. If this thread doesn’t give Tiger mom vibes, nothing will. Like who gives a crap

Because people want to know the results of tryouts that were over a week ago?

It's perfectly reasonable to want results of tryouts in a timely manner.

It's also slightly batsh*t to send your 8&U to RMSC, given how poor their reputation is for stroke coaching.

If you want your kid to be competitive you pay for private lessons.

RMSC + private lessons for an 8&U is really a lot. Are you trying to burn your kid out?

Sigh - they just don't get it - it is so sad

You just don’t get it. Technique is important. My kid does not compete and does it for fun and exercise. But, rmsc does not work on technique.

I’m sorry your coach doesn’t, but our swimmers’ coaches absolutely work on technique.

As for the first PP who apparently doesn't get it - I absolutely get it. If you want to pretend that burnout among young athletes isn't a thing, you do you. I know far too many kids who developed shoulder injuries before they became teens, got fed up and exhausted with the early mornings, etc. All started club swimming 8&U. The idea that you need to start that young to ever be successful isn't true. There are tradeoffs that come with starting at different ages and choosing one program over another, for sure. But thinking there's one path to success is garbage.

I think this is so true for any sport! I'm so frustrated that my 8 y.o.s friends are moving to travel soccer/baseball etc. so soon. There is plenty of competition in the house leagues at their age. My son is a very good athlete, often the best on the team and he was the top 8U swimmer on the team this year with all star times in several strokes. But - he is 8 - and I want him to continue to try everything that he is interested in there. In most cases an athletically inclined and coordinated 8 yo will still be that way at 11 or 12. And who knows? He may find that some random sport he tries at 10 is the one he wants to stick with. I'd rather him find that out rather than specializing in something too early and risking injury or burn out.

We all played a different sport each season until well into middle school and that's when kids started to settle on one sport or another. The only thing that has changed since we were kids is that adults have found a way to monetize parents desire for their kids to be "the best" by creating travel teams for little kids and telling parents that one must do club swim at age 7.

Some of this is on you. We have not done meets at RMSC in the juniors program for two years and its been fine. No one forced us to do meets and were supportive when we'd pull our kids out when covid was bad/no distancing/precautions. Usually its more the parental pressure vs. coaches. In RMSC, most of the groups at the lower levels are so big the coaches really only care about the top kids who are going to move up so all that pressure is from you.

PP here. I am not sure I understand your response to my post. What is on me? My kids plays recreational sports - a different one each season - and do only summer swim. That is what we want for them so they get to experience a wide variety of activities before they pick one to focus on. I was just lamenting the fact that my 8 y.o.s friends specializing so early is disappointing because they are no longer on his teams.

There are a thousand different travel soccer teams, baseball teams and swim clubs taking little kids now. This was not happening when we were kids - these are huge money makers for these clubs - money used to produce the older kids who are the top athletes or on the top teams.

Kids should do the sport that makes them happy, not the sport that makes their friends parents happy. We tried out all the sports when our child was younger. Our child picked swim. So, should we say no because another parent wants them on the soccer team especially when they suck at soccer?

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You just don’t get it. Technique is important. My kid does not compete and does it for fun and exercise. But, rmsc does not work on technique.

I’m sorry your coach doesn’t, but our swimmers’ coaches absolutely work on technique.

Okay hold up. We're new to swim so we missed the ability to try out for RSMC. But if they DON'T do technique, then what do they do? What's the point then? We couldn't even try out because too many were registered the week before tryouts?
We have found that the 8&Us often have technique emphasized because generally this is their first foray into year round swimming. If you join a club as an age group swimmer through (9 and up) many of the big clubs go into training assuming that you already have the strokes down and are instead focused on endurance and strength so that the swimmers can build up to the longer distances.

It completely depends on the coach, club and group you are in. If your child is in advanced its a smaller group with more attention. But, otherwise there are 50-70 kids with 4 coaches. They scream how to do it from the side and when the kids do it wrong, scream some more and that's about it.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend’s 8 and under just got emailed they got in at MLK.

We did too! We have a very happy kid!

8U????

For real. If this thread doesn’t give Tiger mom vibes, nothing will. Like who gives a crap

Because people want to know the results of tryouts that were over a week ago?

It's perfectly reasonable to want results of tryouts in a timely manner.

It's also slightly batsh*t to send your 8&U to RMSC, given how poor their reputation is for stroke coaching.

If you want your kid to be competitive you pay for private lessons.

RMSC + private lessons for an 8&U is really a lot. Are you trying to burn your kid out?

Sigh - they just don't get it - it is so sad

You just don’t get it. Technique is important. My kid does not compete and does it for fun and exercise. But, rmsc does not work on technique.

I’m sorry your coach doesn’t, but our swimmers’ coaches absolutely work on technique.

As for the first PP who apparently doesn't get it - I absolutely get it. If you want to pretend that burnout among young athletes isn't a thing, you do you. I know far too many kids who developed shoulder injuries before they became teens, got fed up and exhausted with the early mornings, etc. All started club swimming 8&U. The idea that you need to start that young to ever be successful isn't true. There are tradeoffs that come with starting at different ages and choosing one program over another, for sure. But thinking there's one path to success is garbage.

I think this is so true for any sport! I'm so frustrated that my 8 y.o.s friends are moving to travel soccer/baseball etc. so soon. There is plenty of competition in the house leagues at their age. My son is a very good athlete, often the best on the team and he was the top 8U swimmer on the team this year with all star times in several strokes. But - he is 8 - and I want him to continue to try everything that he is interested in there. In most cases an athletically inclined and coordinated 8 yo will still be that way at 11 or 12. And who knows? He may find that some random sport he tries at 10 is the one he wants to stick with. I'd rather him find that out rather than specializing in something too early and risking injury or burn out.

We all played a different sport each season until well into middle school and that's when kids started to settle on one sport or another. The only thing that has changed since we were kids is that adults have found a way to monetize parents desire for their kids to be "the best" by creating travel teams for little kids and telling parents that one must do club swim at age 7.

Some of this is on you. We have not done meets at RMSC in the juniors program for two years and its been fine. No one forced us to do meets and were supportive when we'd pull our kids out when covid was bad/no distancing/precautions. Usually its more the parental pressure vs. coaches. In RMSC, most of the groups at the lower levels are so big the coaches really only care about the top kids who are going to move up so all that pressure is from you.

PP here. I am not sure I understand your response to my post. What is on me? My kids plays recreational sports - a different one each season - and do only summer swim. That is what we want for them so they get to experience a wide variety of activities before they pick one to focus on. I was just lamenting the fact that my 8 y.o.s friends specializing so early is disappointing because they are no longer on his teams.

There are a thousand different travel soccer teams, baseball teams and swim clubs taking little kids now. This was not happening when we were kids - these are huge money makers for these clubs - money used to produce the older kids who are the top athletes or on the top teams.

Are those 8 year olds truly specializing though? My 8 year old will be doing travel soccer and club swim this year. We purposely chose teams/clubs that don't practice as frequently as some others, so that he can continue both. In the winter the soccer commitment is much less so he will do rec basketball (1 practice and 1 game per week). So far he has been able to try out every sport he's interested in and these are the ones they like the most. There are others he hasn't wanted to try (baseball, lacrosse, tennis) so that makes it easier. I know some kids like literally every sport and their parents are going crazy trying to fit it all in even at the rec level. Both the soccer and swim clubs have told us repeatedly to keep our kids in more than one sport. They aren't pushing specialization at this age. I would stay away from an organization that was pushing this at 8 or making practice schedules such that other sports can't be done at the same time.

That's a fair point, I don't actually know the commitment of these other teams/clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

Its not a strange comment and very true. We did private as well till covid hit.

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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My top level RMSC swimmers have never done a private lesson and while I don’t know exactly what their teammates have done, most of us have been swimming together since the kids were little and private lessons are not commonplace in this group

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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My top level RMSC swimmers have never done a private lesson and while I don’t know exactly what their teammates have done, most of us have been swimming together since the kids were little and private lessons are not commonplace in this group

That’s because the top level get good coaches and smaller groups. The basic group is huge and gets the worst or new coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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My top level RMSC swimmers have never done a private lesson and while I don’t know exactly what their teammates have done, most of us have been swimming together since the kids were little and private lessons are not commonplace in this group

That’s because the top level get good coaches and smaller groups. The basic group is huge and gets the worst or new coaches.

This is definitely true when swimmers reach that point, but minis is minis and no extra lessons for anyone I know. Mine went straight through advanced juniors, but some spent time in juniors and still didn’t add on privates. Just my experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

My NTG swimmer has only been at RMSC, since Minis.

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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My top level RMSC swimmers have never done a private lesson and while I don’t know exactly what their teammates have done, most of us have been swimming together since the kids were little and private lessons are not commonplace in this group

That’s because the top level get good coaches and smaller groups. The basic group is huge and gets the worst or new coaches.

This is definitely true when swimmers reach that point, but minis is minis and no extra lessons for anyone I know. Mine went straight through advanced juniors, but some spent time in juniors and still didn’t add on privates. Just my experience.

Maybe not for people you know but we and a bunch of others did private. The advanced groups get the better coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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My top level RMSC swimmers have never done a private lesson and while I don’t know exactly what their teammates have done, most of us have been swimming together since the kids were little and private lessons are not commonplace in this group

That’s because the top level get good coaches and smaller groups. The basic group is huge and gets the worst or new coaches.

This is definitely true when swimmers reach that point, but minis is minis and no extra lessons for anyone I know. Mine went straight through advanced juniors, but some spent time in juniors and still didn’t add on privates. Just my experience.

Maybe not for people you know but we and a bunch of others did private. The advanced groups get the better coaches.

I know, I've seen it. I am one who acknowledges our experience is not the same as the path of those through juniors. I am also one who has commented on this site multiple times that I have rarely heard anything good about a specific coach/group that we were lucky to bypass.

I just get frustrated with the "no one" actually learns at RMSC, they don't do "any" stroke work, "everyone" does privates. It just simply isn't true. My guess is privates are most common in the junior groups, especially at a particular site.

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Anonymous wrote:Who does private lessons? Where do you get them

You find a swimmer who is at RMSC but is very good. No way did they learn that on their own atRMSC. Become friends with the parents and quietly ask them who helped their kid and promise never to disclose you had this talk.

RMSC is known for being mad when kids get lessons and yet they don't do stroke work. They live in complete delusion that they created these swimmers!

We started at another club and once my child's strokes were good,we moved to RMSC. Probably should have just gone to NCAP but RMSC worked out because there was a strong foundation and access to lessons.

I only disclose the name of our coach for private lessons to a few people I trust.

We do about 4 lessons in winter and 3-4 in summer.

This is a strange comment. My kid is one of the top swimmers in PVS and trains with other top PVS swimmers. I haven’t heard of any from his/her that did private swim lessons. Not saying it doesn’t happen but it isn’t as commonplace as you’re implying, or weirdly secretive. What site were you at?

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My top level RMSC swimmers have never done a private lesson and while I don’t know exactly what their teammates have done, most of us have been swimming together since the kids were little and private lessons are not commonplace in this group

PP is overstating their point. I have one swimming Division I and one in NTGs. When my kids were under 10 they did some privates at our summer pool with older kids, but nothing regular and not in the winter.