Arlington vs Fairfax vs MoCo schools

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS > MCPS > APS.

FCPS and MCPS enjoy economies of scale, but FCPS has a larger base of UMC families than MCPS and TJ, and FCPS students have access to a wider number of strong state universities.

And FCPS has a significantly higher percentage of hard-working Asian kids than APS, which tends to raise the bar generally. It’s understood in Virginia that the high schools in APS are weaker than the middle schools in APS, which in turn are weaker than the elementary schools in APS. In other words, the advantages of a relatively affluent population diminish over time in APS because the school system is just not that rigorous.

MCPS hands down. Academic competitions results show that.
TJ is great on paper and unfortunately is the only school worth mentioning in FCPS

TJ takes the top kids from each school. MCPS doesn’t have a TJ so the kids stay at their base. Walt Whitman is the only high school ranked higher than Langley.

Then TJ should have crushed all competitions and competitors, but it's not. TJ got their a$$ hand it to them almost every time.

If you are talking about Richard Montgomery, they have the IB program. IB students at the school, have a “school within a school.” IB students have a very different experience than GE students. I would not send my kid to RM if they were not in the IB program.

TJ continues to be ranked the best public high school in the entire US. I have no interest in sending my kids to TJ. I am sure MCPS has strong students as well but there is no TJ in MCPS.

Yes, but in every math and quiz bowl when they have faced even a lowly ranked high-farms school like Blair TJ has lost.

^ Disingenuous poster alert.

TJ can't even beat a single high FARMS MCPS school. Seriously they lost to 2 here.

How could an MCPS school with a Great Schools Rating of 5 defeat America's #1 High School? It shouldn't be possible! My guess is these systems people are using to rank these schools are very flawed and that test score averages don't equate to real opportunity.

I may be mistaken but didn't McLean High School win the It's Academic competition this year.

Yes, a FCPS school won that competition for the first time in like...2 decades, 4th or 5th times overall. Meanwhile, MCPS schools have have dominating and crushing this competition for like... forever

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I may be mistaken but didn't McLean High School win the It's Academic competition this year.


Yes, a FCPS school won that competition for the first time in like...2 decades, 4th or 5th times overall. Meanwhile, MCPS schools have have dominating and crushing this competition for like... forever

And this is how we're measuring these schools? Maybe this show, and having a team to go to it, isn't a priority at some schools. Maybe the teachers would rather assist with robotics clubs or other activities than with coaching "It's Academic." Maybe the top students would rather do something else, too.

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I may be mistaken but didn't McLean High School win the It's Academic competition this year.


Yes, a FCPS school won that competition for the first time in like...2 decades, 4th or 5th times overall. Meanwhile, MCPS schools have have dominating and crushing this competition for like... forever

And this is how we're measuring these schools? Maybe this show, and having a team to go to it, isn't a priority at some schools. Maybe the teachers would rather assist with robotics clubs or other activities than with coaching "It's Academic." Maybe the top students would rather do something else, too.

This is the most absurd measure of a school's value I've ever heard of. I'm American, Michael Phelps won the gold medal for America, therefore I must be a great swimmer.

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None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

Incorrect.

Correct. There I fixed it for you. NAEP scores. PISA scores (only state to rank internationally); average SAT scores (only DODEA defeats them). All top. They have among the fastest growing economies in the United States. Harvard, MIT, Tufts for private; UMass (granted Amherst) public. Your Virginia and Maryland debate is comical. Neither can beat MA for the three qualities of success: job growth, public schools and great universities. Sorry. Saying ‘incorrect’ is not changing those facts.

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Their 1993 education act put them on that trajectory. So almost 30 years on top.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

Incorrect.

Correct. There I fixed it for you. NAEP scores. PISA scores (only state to rank internationally); average SAT scores (only DODEA defeats them). All top. They have among the fastest growing economies in the United States. Harvard, MIT, Tufts for private; UMass (granted Amherst) public. Your Virginia and Maryland debate is comical. Neither can beat MA for the three qualities of success: job growth, public schools and great universities. Sorry. Saying ‘incorrect’ is not changing those facts.

OP wasn’t asking where in the US are the best schools. Plus it’s a small state and not everyone would want to live there.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

Incorrect.

Correct. There I fixed it for you. NAEP scores. PISA scores (only state to rank internationally); average SAT scores (only DODEA defeats them). All top. They have among the fastest growing economies in the United States. Harvard, MIT, Tufts for private; UMass (granted Amherst) public. Your Virginia and Maryland debate is comical. Neither can beat MA for the three qualities of success: job growth, public schools and great universities. Sorry. Saying ‘incorrect’ is not changing those facts.

Incorrect. It's pretty obvious that you think education started in the last few years. Historically, the top 3 states for education have been Maryland, Massachusetts and New Jersey (not in any order). MD was the top school for education consecutively up until around 2014...
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one-in-nation/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-schools-insider/post/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one--again/2012/01/11/gIQA7NEqrP_blog.html

MD was the top performer in USNews' "how the states compare" for HS rankings for many years up until 2017.

MD Tops the nation on AP Exams passing rate for over 10 years straight until MA surpassed it in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-high-school-seniors-top-the-nation-on-ap-exams/2014/02/11/74b57000-9333-11e3-83b9-1f024193bb84_story.html

When you said MA has been on top for 25, 30 years, you are incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

Incorrect.

Correct. There I fixed it for you. NAEP scores. PISA scores (only state to rank internationally); average SAT scores (only DODEA defeats them). All top. They have among the fastest growing economies in the United States. Harvard, MIT, Tufts for private; UMass (granted Amherst) public. Your Virginia and Maryland debate is comical. Neither can beat MA for the three qualities of success: job growth, public schools and great universities. Sorry. Saying ‘incorrect’ is not changing those facts.

Incorrect. It's pretty obvious that you think education started in the last few years. Historically, the top 3 states for education have been Maryland, Massachusetts and New Jersey (not in any order). MD was the top school for education consecutively up until around 2014...
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one-in-nation/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-schools-insider/post/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one--again/2012/01/11/gIQA7NEqrP_blog.html

MD was the top performer in USNews' "how the states compare" for HS rankings for many years up until 2017.

MD Tops the nation on AP Exams passing rate for over 10 years straight until MA surpassed it in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-high-school-seniors-top-the-nation-on-ap-exams/2014/02/11/74b57000-9333-11e3-83b9-1f024193bb84_story.html

When you said MA has been on top for 25, 30 years, you are incorrect.

MA has been number 1 in the main test the Feds use to judge public schools since 1993: NAEP. These other articles you cite have different methodologies so we could argue ad infinitum as to their merit (diversity, funding, curricula). I will leave other more rational readers with this: if Maryland were so great why did their own leaders (republican and democrat) fund the Kirwan Commission study in 2016 who admitted in 2020 the high ‘results’ for at least the past decade were bunk. They were surprised themselves if you care to read their executive summary! There is no such report for Massachusetts since their reform from 1993. This is why Maryland would like to add 4 billion to their education fund under the Blueprint for Maryland, although Governor Hogan is concerned that’s too much money. In summary: No long term successful state would produce the Kirwan report - MA doesn’t have one.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

Incorrect.

Correct. There I fixed it for you. NAEP scores. PISA scores (only state to rank internationally); average SAT scores (only DODEA defeats them). All top. They have among the fastest growing economies in the United States. Harvard, MIT, Tufts for private; UMass (granted Amherst) public. Your Virginia and Maryland debate is comical. Neither can beat MA for the three qualities of success: job growth, public schools and great universities. Sorry. Saying ‘incorrect’ is not changing those facts.

Incorrect. It's pretty obvious that you think education started in the last few years. Historically, the top 3 states for education have been Maryland, Massachusetts and New Jersey (not in any order). MD was the top school for education consecutively up until around 2014...
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one-in-nation/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-schools-insider/post/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one--again/2012/01/11/gIQA7NEqrP_blog.html

MD was the top performer in USNews' "how the states compare" for HS rankings for many years up until 2017.

MD Tops the nation on AP Exams passing rate for over 10 years straight until MA surpassed it in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-high-school-seniors-top-the-nation-on-ap-exams/2014/02/11/74b57000-9333-11e3-83b9-1f024193bb84_story.html

When you said MA has been on top for 25, 30 years, you are incorrect.

MA has been number 1 in the main test the Feds use to judge public schools since 1993: NAEP. These other articles you cite have different methodologies so we could argue ad infinitum as to their merit (diversity, funding, curricula). I will leave other more rational readers with this: if Maryland were so great why did their own leaders (republican and democrat) fund the Kirwan Commission study in 2016 who admitted in 2020 the high ‘results’ for at least the past decade were bunk. They were surprised themselves if you care to read their executive summary! There is no such report for Massachusetts since their reform from 1993. This is why Maryland would like to add 4 billion to their education fund under the Blueprint for Maryland, although Governor Hogan is concerned that’s too much money. In summary: No long term successful state would produce the Kirwan report - MA doesn’t have one.

DP but are you really that dumb?

No long term successful state would produce the Kirwan report - MA doesn’t have one.

My Gosh. Seriously!? Why do you think organizations do internal audits or reports or evaluations? The most successful ones do at least yearly audits, evaluations to see what's working, what's not working where improvement is needed or if you methods need to be implemented. This is what MD and MCPS always do. Every few years they evaluate their curricula to see what's not working, need improvement or change.
Maryland commissioned Kirwan to do the report once they stop being #1 to find out what's going, what went wrong and how to get back being #1 (which is a stated goal of the report if you actually read it). No where in the report did it say " high ‘results’ for at least the past decade were bunk".

This is why Maryland would like to add 4 billion to their education fund under the Blueprint for Maryland

What's the problem with that? You think that a state should not invest in its education? Every state that cares about educating its kids will fund it's education Dept.

My God, you're dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the above. The best answer for job growth and quality public schools and excellent public and private colleges as well is…Massachusetts. Been top by a long shot for 25 years…and likely 25 more.

Incorrect.

Correct. There I fixed it for you. NAEP scores. PISA scores (only state to rank internationally); average SAT scores (only DODEA defeats them). All top. They have among the fastest growing economies in the United States. Harvard, MIT, Tufts for private; UMass (granted Amherst) public. Your Virginia and Maryland debate is comical. Neither can beat MA for the three qualities of success: job growth, public schools and great universities. Sorry. Saying ‘incorrect’ is not changing those facts.

Incorrect. It's pretty obvious that you think education started in the last few years. Historically, the top 3 states for education have been Maryland, Massachusetts and New Jersey (not in any order). MD was the top school for education consecutively up until around 2014...
https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one-in-nation/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-schools-insider/post/maryland-schools-ranked-number-one--again/2012/01/11/gIQA7NEqrP_blog.html

MD was the top performer in USNews' "how the states compare" for HS rankings for many years up until 2017.

MD Tops the nation on AP Exams passing rate for over 10 years straight until MA surpassed it in 2016.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-high-school-seniors-top-the-nation-on-ap-exams/2014/02/11/74b57000-9333-11e3-83b9-1f024193bb84_story.html

When you said MA has been on top for 25, 30 years, you are incorrect.

MA has been number 1 in the main test the Feds use to judge public schools since 1993: NAEP. These other articles you cite have different methodologies so we could argue ad infinitum as to their merit (diversity, funding, curricula). I will leave other more rational readers with this: if Maryland were so great why did their own leaders (republican and democrat) fund the Kirwan Commission study in 2016 who admitted in 2020 the high ‘results’ for at least the past decade were bunk. They were surprised themselves if you care to read their executive summary! There is no such report for Massachusetts since their reform from 1993. This is why Maryland would like to add 4 billion to their education fund under the Blueprint for Maryland, although Governor Hogan is concerned that’s too much money. In summary: No long term successful state would produce the Kirwan report - MA doesn’t have one.

DP but are you really that dumb?

No long term successful state would produce the Kirwan report - MA doesn’t have one.

My Gosh. Seriously!? Why do you think organizations do internal audits or reports or evaluations? The most successful ones do at least yearly audits, evaluations to see what's working, what's not working where improvement is needed or if you methods need to be implemented. This is what MD and MCPS always do. Every few years they evaluate their curricula to see what's not working, need improvement or change.
Maryland commissioned Kirwan to do the report once they stop being #1 to find out what's going, what went wrong and how to get back being #1 (which is a stated goal of the report if you actually read it). No where in the report did it say " high ‘results’ for at least the past decade were bunk".

This is why Maryland would like to add 4 billion to their education fund under the Blueprint for Maryland

What's the problem with that? You think that a state should not invest in its education? Every state that cares about educating its kids will fund it's education Dept.

My God, you're dumb.

Why not $8 billion ?