Where are the top unhooked kids at your Big3 going this year (not legacy, URM or sports recruit).

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

My son has a different take. He used to tutor a kid early in high school who was admitted to an Ivy for sports. My kid, the tutor, would not get into an Ivy (despite 1550 SAT, highest rigor, and high grades) but this kid did for sports. Based on DS’ interactions with the recruit, he is pretty sure his stats are on the lower side and knows he takes easier classes.

Fwiw, my kid recognizes the athletic talent of this kid, which is worth something too. And, he is happy for his success. But the system seems a bit out of whack when a kid who is smart enough to teach the other kids, can’t even get a look from the same schools.

Well Ivies are pretty clear that character matters, maybe the fact that your kid has so little ethics that he’d gossip about someone he tutors shone through in his application.

Gimme a break. My kid talked to me about it. And, as I mentioned, he was happy for the kid - that is why he brought it up to me. Please read more carefully.

Oh sorry he’s not an asshole. He’s just someone with no judgement about who is safe to talk to and who will betray his confidence.

Betray his confidence? Are you saying there is some way you and the rest of DCUM can identify this person and the person he tutors from the post? Are you psychic? Can you see through your screen and tell us who the PP is?

No, didn’t think so.

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Anonymous wrote:If u think big 3 are bad, Maret is an abomination. As in, people wouldn’t apply if they knew the results.

JFC, WTH is wrong with you?

I don’t think anything is wrong w me tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:If u think big 3 are bad, Maret is an abomination. As in, people wouldn’t apply if they knew the results.

Word.

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Anonymous wrote:If u think big 3 are bad, Maret is an abomination. As in, people wouldn’t apply if they knew the results.

Word.

What are examples?

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Anonymous wrote:If u think big 3 are bad, Maret is an abomination. As in, people wouldn’t apply if they knew the results.

Word.

What are examples?

Not gonna doxx

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Anonymous wrote:If u think big 3 are bad, Maret is an abomination. As in, people wouldn’t apply if they knew the results.

Word.

You got me. Just looked at the public Instagram and it looks pretty great.

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I am an HYPS alum who does a lot of interviewing. What the OP seems to have missed is that it is incumbent upon applicants to convince these universities that they have the passion, leadership potential, and abilities to change the world in some way. That is what they are solving for. The admissions process is not a quantitive ranking based on test scores and gpa. Harvard could fill its class several times over with students who scored 1500+ on the SATs but they choose to take other factors into consideration because they have a long and successful track record of identifying who is going to be a change maker in the world and that is what they solve for.

That said, your child seems to have the ability to attend a great university, receive top grades, and continue on to the grad school or industry of their choice. Things seem pretty good.

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21:16, it seems a little pretentious to suggest that HYP know how to identify the ruling class when it is well established that a significant portion of the class is dedicated to identifying a backup linebacker or a right fielder.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an HYPS alum who does a lot of interviewing. What the OP seems to have missed is that it is incumbent upon applicants to convince these universities that they have the passion, leadership potential, and abilities to change the world in some way. That is what they are solving for. The admissions process is not a quantitive ranking based on test scores and gpa. Harvard could fill its class several times over with students who scored 1500+ on the SATs but they choose to take other factors into consideration because they have a long and successful track record of identifying who is going to be a change maker in the world and that is what they solve for.

That said, your child seems to have the ability to attend a great university, receive top grades, and continue on to the grad school or industry of their choice. Things seem pretty good.

they want LEADERS. say and do whatever to show that.

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Anonymous wrote:21:16, it seems a little pretentious to suggest that HYP know how to identify the ruling class when it is well established that a significant portion of the class is dedicated to identifying a backup linebacker or a right fielder.

It seems pretentious to suggest that the "backup linebacker" or "right fielder" might not also be a future leader/change maker.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

Yeah, I don't think people understand that for the schools everyone on this Board worries about, you still need really strong academics to get into the top D3 schools, and to get into an Ivy, you need both the academics and to be a good enough athlete to compete at the D1 level. Everyone acts like that's nothing. I don't get it. When DC graduated a Big3 several years ago two classmates were recruited to play a sport at top Ivies. They were really strong athletes, who had worked really hard at their sports, but also had always taken the hardest classes and had high GPAs. It was not as if they just wandered in and said "here I am."

I don’t think you understand the amount of parental time and resources a kid needs to have access to in order to be recruitable for most d1, d2 (often forgotten!), and d3 sports. Additionally, a lot of the sports that you can get recruited for garner no fanfare whatsoever.

D2 is never mentioned here because they are crappy Colleges that anyone smart enough to go to private school in DMV is unlikely to want or need a hook to get in. The term hook specifically means help getting into a school that is hard to get into normally (on just grades and test scores).

Also, it IS harder for an athlete to get a high caliber D3 offer - like from a NESCAC, W&L, Swarthmore and the like as those schools will not bend the admissions standards - than an Ivy or other academic D1 offer. Ivies have standards for athletes but there is more wiggle room academically for the athletes they want than there is at a top academic D3.

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UMich

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the URMs going?

Right where they belong.

Most to HBCUs. A strong UDC contingent at our Big 3.

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Anonymous wrote:Re the athletic hook, this year my DC's "big 3" there is NO overlap between the students who are recruited athletes and the students who are graduating "cum laude" (the top 20% of the class).

Colleges define “hooks” based on what they want. I have no dog in this fight (my DCs are all unhooked). I understand your frustration with the college admissions process but it’s wrong to throw shade at “hooked” applicants using bits and pieces of information you may have about them.

BTW cum laude at my DCs Big 3 isn’t a very good measuring stick to assess who “deserved” to get in somewhere and who didn’t. It’s based on 2.5/4 years worth of grades, includes coursework taken elsewhere (which isn’t included on the official transcripts) and doesn’t differentiate between difficulty of coursework taken (no weighted grades). Same goes for the valedictorian (only based on 2 yrs of grades). The school chooses how to award honors with the criteria they want - just as colleges assess applicants using whatever formula they want to use. Neither is more “fair” than the other.

Cum Laude at my kids school is a good measure. It includes all of your grades taken only at the school, takes into account rigor, and reflects the kids who are at the top of the class. Oh; and the hooked Cum Laudea who had fine extra curriculars were more likely to be admitted than the Cum Laude non hook with excellent leadership and extracurriculars. To get into tippy top the Cum Laude Students also needed something like editor in chief of a publication and student government. The hooked Cum Laude kids didn’t have to do quite as much. It’s like the hook lets the bouncer at the door know to let you in. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an HYPS alum who does a lot of interviewing. What the OP seems to have missed is that it is incumbent upon applicants to convince these universities that they have the passion, leadership potential, and abilities to change the world in some way. That is what they are solving for. The admissions process is not a quantitive ranking based on test scores and gpa. Harvard could fill its class several times over with students who scored 1500+ on the SATs but they choose to take other factors into consideration because they have a long and successful track record of identifying who is going to be a change maker in the world and that is what they solve for.

That said, your child seems to have the ability to attend a great university, receive top grades, and continue on to the grad school or industry of their choice. Things seem pretty good.

they want LEADERS. say and do whatever to show that.

No offense but I’m not sure they are looking for changemakers. Some of the kids I know who got in are nice kids but most decidedly NOT change-makers. In fact They appear to be more let’s preserve the status quo. I want to go to college and then law or business school and make a lot of money. (Not exaggerating. This is what some of the kids I know say they want to do.).