Can an adopted child check Hispanic box even though born in a non-Hispanic country?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adopted in to a 1/8 Hispanic family does not really feel like a person who should check the box ... but if she feels ok with it then no one is likely to question it.

If his grandfather is Hispanic (and is the only one), his mom’s 1/2 Hispanic and her kids are 1/4.

I say yes. Whatever amount of cultural diversity your son is bringing, your daughter is also, having been raised in the same family.

This kid is 0% Hispanic.

Hispanic ethnicity is not genetic. It is cultural.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:system is broken

So broken!!! No test scores and you can 'identify' with any ethnic group/nationality apparently...even if you never met long lost Grandpa Juan and were raised in a wealthy UMC neighborhood with the exact same advantages as the other kids.

My buddy is a white Nordic from the Upper Midwest. Corn-fed white boy from an all-white suburb and private schools. Nevermind the fact that my buddy retired from finance at the age of 35 with an 8-figure net worth.

His wife is from Chile, with a grandparent who is 100% Incan.

He's already joking that his wealthy kids will be checking "Native American" and "Hispanic/Latino" when they apply for college.

You could be talking about my law firm partner brother and his wife and blond, blue-eyed kid. His MIL was born in Argentina and his wife (who doesn't speak a word of Spanish) insists that their son is Hispanic. It's ridiculous.

More likely German.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:system is broken

So broken!!! No test scores and you can 'identify' with any ethnic group/nationality apparently...even if you never met long lost Grandpa Juan and were raised in a wealthy UMC neighborhood with the exact same advantages as the other kids.

My buddy is a white Nordic from the Upper Midwest. Corn-fed white boy from an all-white suburb and private schools. Nevermind the fact that my buddy retired from finance at the age of 35 with an 8-figure net worth.

His wife is from Chile, with a grandparent who is 100% Incan.

He's already joking that his wealthy kids will be checking "Native American" and "Hispanic/Latino" when they apply for college.

You could be talking about my law firm partner brother and his wife and blond, blue-eyed kid. His MIL was born in Argentina and his wife (who doesn't speak a word of Spanish) insists that their son is Hispanic. It's ridiculous.

More likely German.

The irony of fleeing Nazi descendants claiming "Latino/Hispanic" to give their kids an edge in college admissions LOL/*cringe*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

If someone is born and raised in America, they can consider themselves American if they want and non-hispanic, even if their parents are from South America. What's the difference? If I was born and raised in Argentina, I'm Argentine if I want to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there really no auditing of what kids select on their application? I mean, how would the university even really know?

Back in the day, I was contacted by representatives from multiple universities affiliated with my ethnic group. There was also a local meet up that included other prospective students from the area. I’m guessing that if I had declined the visit or truly been unable to discuss my affiliation with my ethnic group, that would have been considered as part of my application to the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

Yes, that's right. White Hispanics in countries like Cuba and other South American countries often are of European backgrounds. That doesn't make them any less Hispanic. OP's father-in-law was born and raised there and I assume speaks Spanish. Whether or not they embrace the culture today is insignificant. They meet the definition of Hispanic and can check the box.

Don't assume. It's not about having European (white) background. Many, many Hispanics are white. It's about Latin America being a stepping stone country. Look, I have a friend whose family fled Iran, was born in South America, and went to the U.S. when she was little. She is not Hispanic. In the same way, there are a number of people whose grandparents were born in Argentina or Brazil or Chile or Uruguay because they were fleeing war and they eventually made their way to the U.S. That does not make them Hispanic. If, however, they have an ongoing relationship with the country, and/ or speak Spanish at home, travel regularly to visit family there, then yes, they're Hispanic. But not just because of birth. It's a culture. It's not a nationality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:system is broken

So broken!!! No test scores and you can 'identify' with any ethnic group/nationality apparently...even if you never met long lost Grandpa Juan and were raised in a wealthy UMC neighborhood with the exact same advantages as the other kids.

My buddy is a white Nordic from the Upper Midwest. Corn-fed white boy from an all-white suburb and private schools. Nevermind the fact that my buddy retired from finance at the age of 35 with an 8-figure net worth.

His wife is from Chile, with a grandparent who is 100% Incan.

He's already joking that his wealthy kids will be checking "Native American" and "Hispanic/Latino" when they apply for college.

You could be talking about my law firm partner brother and his wife and blond, blue-eyed kid. His MIL was born in Argentina and his wife (who doesn't speak a word of Spanish) insists that their son is Hispanic. It's ridiculous.

More likely German.

The irony of fleeing Nazi descendants claiming "Latino/Hispanic" to give their kids an edge in college admissions LOL/*cringe*

Exactly..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

If someone is born and raised in America, they can consider themselves American if they want and non-hispanic, even if their parents are from South America. What's the difference? If I was born and raised in Argentina, I'm Argentine if I want to be.

Because one is a nationality and one is a culture. But yes, if you were raised in Argentina, you would be Hispanic. But the adopted child of your grandchild probably wouldn't be.

[Anonymous]

I'm Hispanic (both parents were immigrants). I grew up speaking Spanish, eating food from our country, sending money back, etc. - all the things you would associate with being Hispanic. And back in the day, my father forbade me from checking Hispanic on my college applications. You see, in his country, he had been checked as being mixed race (he is about 1/4 black) and it kept him out of places. So I was not to check Hispanic or mixed race or anything.

Please understand that lots of Hispanic kids and their families really don't know how to play, much less game, the college admissions system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

Yes, that's right. White Hispanics in countries like Cuba and other South American countries often are of European backgrounds. That doesn't make them any less Hispanic. OP's father-in-law was born and raised there and I assume speaks Spanish. Whether or not they embrace the culture today is insignificant. They meet the definition of Hispanic and can check the box.

Don't assume. It's not about having European (white) background. Many, many Hispanics are white. It's about Latin America being a stepping stone country. Look, I have a friend whose family fled Iran, was born in South America, and went to the U.S. when she was little. She is not Hispanic. In the same way, there are a number of people whose grandparents were born in Argentina or Brazil or Chile or Uruguay because they were fleeing war and they eventually made their way to the U.S. That does not make them Hispanic. If, however, they have an ongoing relationship with the country, and/ or speak Spanish at home, travel regularly to visit family there, then yes, they're Hispanic. But not just because of birth. It's a culture. It's not a nationality.

stepping stone *region* not country. Latin America has a number of countries that have been stepping stones to other countries...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

If someone is born and raised in America, they can consider themselves American if they want and non-hispanic, even if their parents are from South America. What's the difference? If I was born and raised in Argentina, I'm Argentine if I want to be.

Because one is a nationality and one is a culture. But yes, if you were raised in Argentina, you would be Hispanic. But the adopted child of your grandchild probably wouldn't be.

By your logic, nobody is Hispanic. Not if you're born and raised there, and not if you're born and raised here. Makes zero sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

If someone is born and raised in America, they can consider themselves American if they want and non-hispanic, even if their parents are from South America. What's the difference? If I was born and raised in Argentina, I'm Argentine if I want to be.

Because one is a nationality and one is a culture. But yes, if you were raised in Argentina, you would be Hispanic. But the adopted child of your grandchild probably wouldn't be.

By your logic, nobody is Hispanic. Not if you're born and raised there, and not if you're born and raised here. Makes zero sense.

argh wrong quote fail. disregard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Hispanic. As has been said repeatedly, Hispanic is a culture.

You didn't say the child has one Argentine grandparent (meaning a person of Argentine culture) - rather one grandparent born and raised in Argentina. Seeing that Argentina (and a number of other Latin American countries) had many European immigrants (Italians, Jews, Germans, even Brits) who lived there for one generation and moved on, I would say no. If the child and the family have an ongoing relationship with Argentina, speak Spanish at home, that's different. But if they just happened to be born there and left and re-established their entire family line elsewhere without maintaining Hispanic or Argentine (or Uruguayan, or Nicaraguan or Venezuelan or Brazilian or Chilean) ties, their offspring are not Hispanic.

Think of it this way, is Mitt Romney Hispanic? No.

Yes, that's right. White Hispanics in countries like Cuba and other South American countries often are of European backgrounds. That doesn't make them any less Hispanic. OP's father-in-law was born and raised there and I assume speaks Spanish. Whether or not they embrace the culture today is insignificant. They meet the definition of Hispanic and can check the box.

Don't assume. It's not about having European (white) background. Many, many Hispanics are white. It's about Latin America being a stepping stone country. Look, I have a friend whose family fled Iran, was born in South America, and went to the U.S. when she was little. She is not Hispanic. In the same way, there are a number of people whose grandparents were born in Argentina or Brazil or Chile or Uruguay because they were fleeing war and they eventually made their way to the U.S. That does not make them Hispanic. If, however, they have an ongoing relationship with the country, and/ or speak Spanish at home, travel regularly to visit family there, then yes, they're Hispanic. But not just because of birth. It's a culture. It's not a nationality.

All the families I know who fled the Nazis and landed in South America held to their Judaism but assimilated in many other ways. Know a few families where the families spoke French, German, even Yiddish at home, while speaking Spanish, Portuguese outside the home and learning English at school. One friend ended up fluent in French (native language), Portuguese, English, then finally Spanish. Others are younger so there parents may be the second generation, so they grew up speaking Portuguese, Spanish at home mixed with the grandparents' first language (which can be a real mix for those who grew up in Argentina - German, Italian, Russian, etc).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do colleges check this sort of thing? How would colleges know whether a kid who checks hispanic actually is?

Easy to find out AND you can be thrown out of that college for lying on their documents.

OP here. How does a college find out short of asking for documentation (like passports, birth certificates, etc.)? Like I said, we went through the process already and not one college asked for proof. DS is in a top private university.

Can someone answer OP’s question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. How does a college find out short of asking for documentation (like passports, birth certificates, etc.)? Like I said, we went through the process already and not one college asked for proof. DS is in a top private university.

The college admissions office may call the high school counselor to ask. Federal ethnicity and race info is often included in ordinary K-12 school enrollment forms. (I have no clue whether this is a common or unusual occurrence.)