$100 application fee for TJHSS&T?

[Anonymous]

DC is interested in TJ for HS - going through application process and stunned to see $100 application fee. Really? Understand it is (very rightfully) waived for FARMS but this could still be quite a barrier. Anyone with experience know the background/rationale for the fee?

[Anonymous]

it's a public HS program. why do they charge app fee? if this was a college, i can understand but it isn't.

[Anonymous]

There are athletic fees and AP test fees too. I imagine there are others. I’m not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Paying to purchase the admissions test, paying to grade the test, paying custodians/other support staff for when the test is administered on a Saturday, paying proctors to administer the test, paying second round admission readers (either they get paid, or a sub has to be paid to teach their classes while they're reading applications), etc. Lots of costs associated with the admissions process.

[Anonymous]

If the student is on FARM, they don't have to pay the feee, IIRC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Paying to purchase the admissions test, paying to grade the test, paying custodians/other support staff for when the test is administered on a Saturday, paying proctors to administer the test, paying second round admission readers (either they get paid, or a sub has to be paid to teach their classes while they're reading applications), etc. Lots of costs associated with the admissions process.

This. The TJ test is very time and labor intensive. They buy tests from the ACT and a private company, proctor them, run the portal, administer the second round, read essays and teacher recs. It probably costs more to administer than a college application, because Taj administers the standardiEd tests, rather than just getting scores from SAT/ ACT.

The could make it free. But then they would have to take money from elsewhere in the budget. And people should whine about how GE programs shouldn’t lose money to TJ should cover its own costs..

They do cover free lunch, and reduced lunch at a reduced share, which is something like 150-200% of poverty.

How do you want them to handle it OP— given the reality that the test is labor intensive and it just costs money to license the tests and administer the process?

[Anonymous]

I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

TJ defeats the purpose of public education. It gets way more money per pupil. The parents can pay $100 more for it. Or we can get rid of TJ.

[Anonymous]

If it weren't required, more people would take it just to see.........

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

TJ defeats the purpose of public education. It gets way more money per pupil. The parents can pay $100 more for it. Or we can get rid of TJ.

TJ does not get a lot more money per pupil from FCPS. It’s gets the exact same per pupil funding from the county. Slightly over $1000 per pupil governor’s school allotment from the state (other governors schools get this too). The teachers get paid slightly more because they work 8th period. . And.... that’s it for extra public funds.

Now, TJ has a very strong alumni association (the TJ Partnership Fund) that has raised 8 million dollars for things like lab equipment and all the extras associated with the renovation, and donates things like $100,000 to the marching band for necessary (and long overdue) equipment replacement this year. And TJPF gets a lot of significant donations, like lab equipment, from corporations, and a lot of public-private partnership initiatives, like mentorships and internships. So almost all of the extras— per pupil spending, internships and mentorships all over the DMV, updated, state of the art lab equipment, etc— come from private dollars, not public funds.

And BTW, TJPF also spends a lot of the money it raises on outreach to Mass and ESs. A program with the Jack Kent Cook Foundation to increase minority enrollment, and a number of community based programs, Stembassadors, MS tutoring, etc.

https://www.tjpartnershipfund.org/outreach

And in addition to TJPF, there is band boosters, drama boosters, athletic boosters, academic teams boosters, crew boosters, orchestra boosters, etc., etc. — all raising money, and all soliciting donations from parents whose kids are involved, alums who were once involved, and local corporations.

Get your facts straight. TJ spends more, but they raise that money themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

TJ defeats the purpose of public education. It gets way more money per pupil. The parents can pay $100 more for it. Or we can get rid of TJ.

+1. Why not get rid of it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

TJ defeats the purpose of public education. It gets way more money per pupil. The parents can pay $100 more for it. Or we can get rid of TJ.

TJ does not get a lot more money per pupil from FCPS. It’s gets the exact same per pupil funding from the county. Slightly over $1000 per pupil governor’s school allotment from the state (other governors schools get this too). The teachers get paid slightly more because they work 8th period. . And.... that’s it for extra public funds.

Now, TJ has a very strong alumni association (the TJ Partnership Fund) that has raised 8 million dollars for things like lab equipment and all the extras associated with the renovation, and donates things like $100,000 to the marching band for necessary (and long overdue) equipment replacement this year. And TJPF gets a lot of significant donations, like lab equipment, from corporations, and a lot of public-private partnership initiatives, like mentorships and internships. So almost all of the extras— per pupil spending, internships and mentorships all over the DMV, updated, state of the art lab equipment, etc— come from private dollars, not public funds.

And BTW, TJPF also spends a lot of the money it raises on outreach to Mass and ESs. A program with the Jack Kent Cook Foundation to increase minority enrollment, and a number of community based programs, Stembassadors, MS tutoring, etc.

https://www.tjpartnershipfund.org/outreach

And in addition to TJPF, there is band boosters, drama boosters, athletic boosters, academic teams boosters, crew boosters, orchestra boosters, etc., etc. — all raising money, and all soliciting donations from parents whose kids are involved, alums who were once involved, and local corporations.

Get your facts straight. TJ spends more, but they raise that money themselves.

I hope you can support this with facts. Can you provide supporting data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

So does the after school club and activity fee; curricular band, orchestra and art fees; the fee to take the PSAT as a junior; the new fees for APs over a certain number; the fee for PE uniforms, and the whole host of other mandatory fees I write checks for each year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

So does the after school club and activity fee; curricular band, orchestra and art fees; the fee to take the PSAT as a junior; the new fees for APs over a certain number; the fee for PE uniforms, and the whole host of other mandatory fees I write checks for each year.

I think these are a little different than asking for a consideration to attend a public school which is what application is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not in Fairfax county but that seems to defeat the purpose of PUBLIC education.

TJ defeats the purpose of public education. It gets way more money per pupil. The parents can pay $100 more for it. Or we can get rid of TJ.

TJ does not get a lot more money per pupil from FCPS. It’s gets the exact same per pupil funding from the county. Slightly over $1000 per pupil governor’s school allotment from the state (other governors schools get this too). The teachers get paid slightly more because they work 8th period. . And.... that’s it for extra public funds.

Now, TJ has a very strong alumni association (the TJ Partnership Fund) that has raised 8 million dollars for things like lab equipment and all the extras associated with the renovation, and donates things like $100,000 to the marching band for necessary (and long overdue) equipment replacement this year. And TJPF gets a lot of significant donations, like lab equipment, from corporations, and a lot of public-private partnership initiatives, like mentorships and internships. So almost all of the extras— per pupil spending, internships and mentorships all over the DMV, updated, state of the art lab equipment, etc— come from private dollars, not public funds.

And BTW, TJPF also spends a lot of the money it raises on outreach to Mass and ESs. A program with the Jack Kent Cook Foundation to increase minority enrollment, and a number of community based programs, Stembassadors, MS tutoring, etc.

https://www.tjpartnershipfund.org/outreach

And in addition to TJPF, there is band boosters, drama boosters, athletic boosters, academic teams boosters, crew boosters, orchestra boosters, etc., etc. — all raising money, and all soliciting donations from parents whose kids are involved, alums who were once involved, and local corporations.

Get your facts straight. TJ spends more, but they raise that money themselves.

I hope you can support this with facts. Can you provide supporting data?

Click around the TJPF site:

https://www.tjpartnershipfund.org/



Here is a breakdown of where private donations have gone:

https://www.tjpartnershipfund.org/school-life/tjpf-donations-at-work


Money going to support mentorships, internships, tjSTAR, networking, etc.

https://www.tjpartnershipfund.org/programs


The outreach link is above.