Travis and Taylor

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anonymous wrote:Nobody is saying being fat is better than being muscular to prevent injury. What is being said is body fat below a certain % depending on your position can lead to more injuries… lean athletes who make quick cuts need fat around their muscles and ligaments to
Prevent injury so body fat < 15% is not healthy for them. Nobody is saying to have body fat at 50%.

Trainers have body fat % goals by position.

The Globe article is behind a paywall but from your post I'm taking it on good faith. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually hate the mustache look, but this is otherwise hardly letting himself go. He looks young, relaxed and happy. Sporting a few extra pounds around the middle maybe, but teams often encourage folks to come back slightly overweight (much easier to deal with than underweight).

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a citation but pat mahomes on the chiefs has said that he has to keep the “dad bod” padding because it protects him when he is sacked.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t more muscle mass provide better protection than fat?

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure you know better than the world champion Super Bowl quarterback.

None of the things you underline remotely claim that "fat is better than being muscular to prevent injury." You have some weird agenda here. And the earlier links you dismiss all operate from the premise that football players are told to have dad bod/gain weight... that's *why* they are examining alternatives/the downsides.

"Overweight" isn't muscle mass.
"Dad bod" as protection came from Patrick Mahomes's soft body in a locker room photo and a photo of him walking into the Chiefs facility.
When asked directly if fat is better than muscle for protection, the PP went snide, and suggested that Mahomes' was saying just that. Even though he was making fun of himself.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s obviously very secure in himself, to ensure this constant, ridiculous nitpicking; I understand why Matty Healy exited stage left, geez. It’s like a sport.

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Anonymous wrote:The mastery some people have at derailing a thread is something to behold. We're now debating injuries and fat/muscle ratio, with links demanded for proof, in a thread about a singer and an athlete dating? Go start another thread about the concept if it interests you so much, PP. Good lord, give it a rest.

The discussion began with Travis Kelce's appearance at training camp. Relevant, though boring to you.

Uh huh. Sure.

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Intellect (or lack of) aside, Travis Kelce is unattractively bulky. And his brother is plain fat. I dislike that body type. How you go from slender men like Harry, John Meyer, Joe and Matty to chubby I don’t know, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

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Anonymous wrote:The mastery some people have at derailing a thread is something to behold. We're now debating injuries and fat/muscle ratio, with links demanded for proof, in a thread about a singer and an athlete dating? Go start another thread about the concept if it interests you so much, PP. Good lord, give it a rest.

The discussion began with Travis Kelce's appearance at training camp. Relevant, though boring to you.

Can someone post pictures of what you all are referring to? I don't watch football.

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Anonymous wrote:Intellect (or lack of) aside, Travis Kelce is unattractively bulky. And his brother is plain fat. I dislike that body type. How you go from slender men like Harry, John Meyer, Joe and Matty to chubby I don’t know, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

This doesn't look bulky to me at all. He does wear a lot of baggy clothes, but in reality I think he's a slim guy.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

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She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

Yeah when the website was launched she and her dad didn’t know what her ‘talent’ was going to be yet. This was all in that letter that was released from a law suit. He said she is going to make it whether it is an actress singer or model. So, I guess the ‘talent’ took a while to show up.

But she doesn’t do it alone as girl boss CEO as posters up thread were arguing nor did she assemble her team, she was born into it.

Yeah. And The Zuck stole his website from some other kids. At least Taylor acknowledges all the help she got. So like a woman

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

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She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

Yeah when the website was launched she and her dad didn’t know what her ‘talent’ was going to be yet. This was all in that letter that was released from a law suit. He said she is going to make it whether it is an actress singer or model. So, I guess the ‘talent’ took a while to show up.

But she doesn’t do it alone as girl boss CEO as posters up thread were arguing nor did she assemble her team, she was born into it.

Yeah. And The Zuck stole his website from some other kids. At least Taylor acknowledges all the help she got. So like a woman

I’m not sure I understand if acknowledging Taylor didn’t/doesn’t make all the decision by herself makes her a woman what are you saying about her fans who refuse to acknowledge this?

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Anonymous wrote:The mastery some people have at derailing a thread is something to behold. We're now debating injuries and fat/muscle ratio, with links demanded for proof, in a thread about a singer and an athlete dating? Go start another thread about the concept if it interests you so much, PP. Good lord, give it a rest.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

If you are not a fan, this may not be the thread for you.

This thread is almost 500 pages of fans and not fans hashing it out. Don’t worry, have faith that your love of Taylor can withstand little push back or questioning of yourself. Even if it can’t, you will have grown a little as a person by asking if it is humanly possible to have done everything you give her credit for.

Everybody knows she has a team, she doesn't book all her flights or build the stage or choreograph everything.

You think her fans think she drives her own bus?

+1 It's cracking me up that anyone would think anyone believes that she literally makes every decision. But we all know that any "corporate culture" starts at the top, the buck stops at the top, etc. Why does not get credit for assembling a great team and treating them well, so that they keep making decisions that are working great? She's the boss.

+2
She's The Man.

If you are born into the “great team” because at 34 your mom is the business manager, and your dad gifted you a website at 12 for your fan club, no you don’t get credit for that.
Unless you have proof you get to chose your parents when you are born.

My god you’re right!!! You mean all I have to do is get my kid a website and in 20 years she’ll have a world wide record breaking tour with 14 Grammys?? This is awesome, thanks for the tip!

1. Ew why would you ever want to do that to your kid?

2. This was 20 years ago and one of the reasons she made such an impact because not everyone was doing it. Her parents were very very business savvy and were ahead of the curve. Your responses are proving that her parents were business trailblazers. They are also still her advisors.

So? Anyone can make a website, I could do it now and I have zero talent to back it up. You seem to negate the fact that she had to have content filling that website. A lot of people like that content. That’s what you just refuse to grasp.

My entire point has been that she isn’t doing all of it. Her parents made some very astute choices early on and they probably continue to make great business choices for/with her.

'The parents already had her MySpace and her website up and running.

'The mom and dad both have great marketing minds. When you looked at her stuff, it was very professional even before she got her deal.'

Thanks to Andrea's forward-thinking social media strategy, Rick then was able to gage Taylor's fanbase's reaction to her earlier music.

The former manager says he put use Taylor's MySpace page to help them decide what the songs that eventually ended up on her debut album.

In an interview with Pollstar in 2014, Rick claimed Taylor told him 'I want to be the biggest star in the world' when they first started working together.


It wasn’t just any website. Her parents clearly had the marketing know-how and willingness to get Taylor’s career launched
They are still involved in her corporation as business managers. They are very good at their jobs and Taylor was literally born into girl boss-dom. She didn’t hire all her own people because you don’t hire your parents.

And my entire point is that you can build the greatest website ever, have the most money, be a marketing genius, want to be famous, blah blah blah, and without actual fans it’s nothing but pipe dreams. She earned her fans by having actual talent and then working hard to fine tune her talent. You have to actually have something of value to market for that expertise to mean something. I could have that exact team and it would fall like a lead balloon because I suck at singing, songwriting, and performing.

Yeah when the website was launched she and her dad didn’t know what her ‘talent’ was going to be yet. This was all in that letter that was released from a law suit. He said she is going to make it whether it is an actress singer or model. So, I guess the ‘talent’ took a while to show up.

But she doesn’t do it alone as girl boss CEO as posters up thread were arguing nor did she assemble her team, she was born into it.

Yeah. And The Zuck stole his website from some other kids. At least Taylor acknowledges all the help she got. So like a woman

I’m not sure I understand if acknowledging Taylor didn’t/doesn’t make all the decision by herself makes her a woman what are you saying about her fans who refuse to acknowledge this?

NP. No one is saying she works in a vacuum or that there isn’t shared decision making on some items. But as “the boss” she’s the final decision. Why is this a hard concept for you to understand? Her parents are helping to guide, they’re now on the payroll. They work for their money like any other employee would. But it’s her name signing that paycheck. She’s at the top. If something goes south, who takes that hit regardless of who “made the decision.” Not her dad that’s for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:The mastery some people have at derailing a thread is something to behold. We're now debating injuries and fat/muscle ratio, with links demanded for proof, in a thread about a singer and an athlete dating? Go start another thread about the concept if it interests you so much, PP. Good lord, give it a rest.

The discussion began with Travis Kelce's appearance at training camp. Relevant, though boring to you.

Can someone post pictures of what you all are referring to? I don't watch football.

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Anonymous wrote:The mastery some people have at derailing a thread is something to behold. We're now debating injuries and fat/muscle ratio, with links demanded for proof, in a thread about a singer and an athlete dating? Go start another thread about the concept if it interests you so much, PP. Good lord, give it a rest.

The discussion began with Travis Kelce's appearance at training camp. Relevant, though boring to you.

Can someone post pictures of what you all are referring to? I don't watch football.

He’s pretty slim for his size. As a general rule he has very little body fat. If you think he has any now it will be gone in three weeks. He is an athlete. He has strength, size, speed, and endurance. Not sure why he is being called fat. Tight ends and linebackers are the most athletic on the field. Dude is a stud.

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Anonymous wrote:Intellect (or lack of) aside, Travis Kelce is unattractively bulky. And his brother is plain fat. I dislike that body type. How you go from slender men like Harry, John Meyer, Joe and Matty to chubby I don’t know, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Yes it is what you like. If by bulky you mean muscles then yes. He had almost no body fat. He is lean for his frame.

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Anonymous wrote:Intellect (or lack of) aside, Travis Kelce is unattractively bulky. And his brother is plain fat. I dislike that body type. How you go from slender men like Harry, John Meyer, Joe and Matty to chubby I don’t know, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

This doesn't look bulky to me at all. He does wear a lot of baggy clothes, but in reality I think he's a slim guy.

This is the only attractive, flattering picture of him that I have ever seen. Most of the time, he looks like Shrek.

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I agree that Travis looks just fine.

Travis at training camp:

Travis at her show: