Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:PS: You can see a similar dynamic with the dad of Venus and Serena. A driven man with a plan. It’s amazing that a stage parent can really develop a passion for play or performance in their kids. Venus and Serena had to like tennis. They could not have faked liking it and done that well.

Venus and Serena had to enjoy tennis and have natural talent. Taylor has to like music and be a talented songwriter. Without the right interests and natural gifts, none of them become successful. It’s no different than the average DCUM parent choreographing their child’s life in hopes they go to the best college.

I very much disagree with you. The path to college is conventional and more importantly private. A kid isn’t opening their lives to the public to go to college. Taylor’s parents taught her to craft her personal and professional life online to meet the needs of her fans. She herself was stalking people, introduced to fans by her mom and had secret parties for fans IRL to get her fan base going. All in the public sphere.
They merged her business and personal worlds which is different from the Williams sisters and your average DCUM parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PS: You can see a similar dynamic with the dad of Venus and Serena. A driven man with a plan. It’s amazing that a stage parent can really develop a passion for play or performance in their kids. Venus and Serena had to like tennis. They could not have faked liking it and done that well.

Venus and Serena had to enjoy tennis and have natural talent. Taylor has to like music and be a talented songwriter. Without the right interests and natural gifts, none of them become successful. It’s no different than the average DCUM parent choreographing their child’s life in hopes they go to the best college.

I very much disagree with you. The path to college is conventional and more importantly private. A kid isn’t opening their lives to the public to go to college. Taylor’s parents taught her to craft her personal and professional life online to meet the needs of her fans. She herself was stalking people, introduced to fans by her mom and had secret parties for fans IRL to get her fan base going. All in the public sphere.
They merged her business and personal worlds which is different from the Williams sisters and your average DCUM parent.

Musical artists can only be successful with fans. It’s just a hobby if they can’t make any money. If Serena’s and Venus’s entry into pro tennis required a certain number of MySpace fans, their dad would’ve hustled to help them get those numbers. Same with entrance to college. This is all the same. Parents doing whatever they can to support their children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PS: You can see a similar dynamic with the dad of Venus and Serena. A driven man with a plan. It’s amazing that a stage parent can really develop a passion for play or performance in their kids. Venus and Serena had to like tennis. They could not have faked liking it and done that well.

Venus and Serena had to enjoy tennis and have natural talent. Taylor has to like music and be a talented songwriter. Without the right interests and natural gifts, none of them become successful. It’s no different than the average DCUM parent choreographing their child’s life in hopes they go to the best college.

I very much disagree with you. The path to college is conventional and more importantly private. A kid isn’t opening their lives to the public to go to college. Taylor’s parents taught her to craft her personal and professional life online to meet the needs of her fans. She herself was stalking people, introduced to fans by her mom and had secret parties for fans IRL to get her fan base going. All in the public sphere.
They merged her business and personal worlds which is different from the Williams sisters and your average DCUM parent.

Musical artists can only be successful with fans. It’s just a hobby if they can’t make any money. If Serena’s and Venus’s entry into pro tennis required a certain number of MySpace fans, their dad would’ve hustled to help them get those numbers. Same with entrance to college. This is all the same. Parents doing whatever they can to support their children.

Every musician has to cultivate a fan base. They do it in a variety of ways. Taylor was just smart enough to do it, with her parents' help, via social media. I don't love it when parents become employees of their children, but it's usually because of exploitation concerns. There aren't those concerns here - just support and good marketing. Why does this bother that PP so much?? It's mind boggling. I'd much rather have trusted family - who isn't exploiting me, and they aren't - doing this work than others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PS: You can see a similar dynamic with the dad of Venus and Serena. A driven man with a plan. It’s amazing that a stage parent can really develop a passion for play or performance in their kids. Venus and Serena had to like tennis. They could not have faked liking it and done that well.

Venus and Serena had to enjoy tennis and have natural talent. Taylor has to like music and be a talented songwriter. Without the right interests and natural gifts, none of them become successful. It’s no different than the average DCUM parent choreographing their child’s life in hopes they go to the best college.

I very much disagree with you. The path to college is conventional and more importantly private. A kid isn’t opening their lives to the public to go to college. Taylor’s parents taught her to craft her personal and professional life online to meet the needs of her fans. She herself was stalking people, introduced to fans by her mom and had secret parties for fans IRL to get her fan base going. All in the public sphere.
They merged her business and personal worlds which is different from the Williams sisters and your average DCUM parent.

Musical artists can only be successful with fans. It’s just a hobby if they can’t make any money. If Serena’s and Venus’s entry into pro tennis required a certain number of MySpace fans, their dad would’ve hustled to help them get those numbers. Same with entrance to college. This is all the same. Parents doing whatever they can to support their children.

Every musician has to cultivate a fan base. They do it in a variety of ways. Taylor was just smart enough to do it, with her parents' help, via social media. I don't love it when parents become employees of their children, but it's usually because of exploitation concerns. There aren't those concerns here - just support and good marketing. Why does this bother that PP so much?? It's mind boggling. I'd much rather have trusted family - who isn't exploiting me, and they aren't - doing this work than others.

I agree, and TS is fortunate to have what appear to be good family members -- unlike Britney Spears.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PS: You can see a similar dynamic with the dad of Venus and Serena. A driven man with a plan. It’s amazing that a stage parent can really develop a passion for play or performance in their kids. Venus and Serena had to like tennis. They could not have faked liking it and done that well.

Venus and Serena had to enjoy tennis and have natural talent. Taylor has to like music and be a talented songwriter. Without the right interests and natural gifts, none of them become successful. It’s no different than the average DCUM parent choreographing their child’s life in hopes they go to the best college.

I very much disagree with you. The path to college is conventional and more importantly private. A kid isn’t opening their lives to the public to go to college. Taylor’s parents taught her to craft her personal and professional life online to meet the needs of her fans. She herself was stalking people, introduced to fans by her mom and had secret parties for fans IRL to get her fan base going. All in the public sphere.
They merged her business and personal worlds which is different from the Williams sisters and your average DCUM parent.

Musical artists can only be successful with fans. It’s just a hobby if they can’t make any money. If Serena’s and Venus’s entry into pro tennis required a certain number of MySpace fans, their dad would’ve hustled to help them get those numbers. Same with entrance to college. This is all the same. Parents doing whatever they can to support their children.

Every musician has to cultivate a fan base. They do it in a variety of ways. Taylor was just smart enough to do it, with her parents' help, via social media. I don't love it when parents become employees of their children, but it's usually because of exploitation concerns. There aren't those concerns here - just support and good marketing. Why does this bother that PP so much?? It's mind boggling. I'd much rather have trusted family - who isn't exploiting me, and they aren't - doing this work than others.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

Disagree. That's not everyone's life goal. Maybe they enjoy each other's company and like it that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

Maybe you should move to a country where they arrange marriages. You seem highly fixated on that being everyone's life goal, why not move somewhere where your hobby can be appreciated more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

Why on earth do they need to follow your timeline? They are both highly successful professionals who seem more than capable of determining whether or when to get married and the same for having children. Their decisions impact no one but themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

Why on earth do they need to follow your timeline? They are both highly successful professionals who seem more than capable of determining whether or when to get married and the same for having children. Their decisions impact no one but themselves.

If I were Travis or Taylor I would want another nfl season before knowing this will work if that is their goal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

Why on earth do they need to follow your timeline? They are both highly successful professionals who seem more than capable of determining whether or when to get married and the same for having children. Their decisions impact no one but themselves.

If I were Travis or Taylor I would want another nfl season before knowing this will work if that is their goal.

What does the NFL season have to do with the rest of their lives? He has at the most probably two more before retirement, and unless he goes into coaching or announcing, their lives will not revolve around NFL seasons much longer. And depending on how the team does this year and any possible injury, he might hang it up sooner than that. By the looks of things at this point, I think they already know that they “will work”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

It's really not that hard to use birth control....

Mid 30s in a committed year plus long relationship and on birth control is very odd.

WTAF? It’s only odd if you see nothing wrong with “oooops I got knocked up by my boyfriend!” They are responsible adults. Good for them.
DP

Wtf???? Since when is an “oops” baby normal?

Whether 25 or 35 babies should be planned and wanted.

That's what I was saying. Read more carefully.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Please don’t feed the troll.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

OMG. Go away. Stop trolling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They've been allegedly boning for 16 months, right? So madly in love, right. But no accidental oops baby? Come on. I know several college-educated kids in their mid 20s who are in love and knocked up inside of 12 to 16 months.

You know "several" college-educated kids that became pregnant while in a 12-16 month relationship and assume that's typical? Do you not know anyone, much less "college-educated", people that were in 12-16 month relationships and didn't get pregnant? How long was it from the time you started dating your husband until you were pregnant? How many months between pregnancies?

Shotgun weddings are certainly still a thing. One of the pregnant young women we know is in medical school. But it's exponentially easier for an oops pregnancy to happen in your mid 20s than in your mid 30s.

All of which is irrelevant to Taylor Swift. Why are you continuing to try to make this a thing? It's not.

If she doesn’t plan to marry or have a baby with this guy they need to breakup. They’re both more than old enough to know by now.

Disagree. That's not everyone's life goal. Maybe they enjoy each other's company and like it that way.

Like Jennifer Aniston.