Petition: Later MCPS school start times

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed that this thread is still active. I’m a HS teacher and on the side of a later start. I wish I could invite y’all to my first period class. My heart goes out to my tired and sleep deprived students.

I'm guessing the tired sleepy K-5 students would feel similarly.

Poster you are responding to.
You have a lack of knowledge of physiology for young children and teens. Teens need as much or even more sleep than young children. This is a fact society seems ignorant of. Also, teenagers sleep cycles are shifted due to hormones so they naturally stay up later and sleep longer in the morning. If you don’t understand teenage development, best not to comment perhaps

Teenagers during the 1800s stayed up later and slept in? Nope. If you believe teenagers need more sleep (they don't), then take the phone away, lights out at 9pm. That's 9 hours of sleep for a 6am wake up. If they're having trouble falling asleep, read a book or take some melatonin. The whole system is not changing the schedule because you're a lazy parent raising lazy kids.

I always base my parenting decisions on 19th century parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed that this thread is still active. I’m a HS teacher and on the side of a later start. I wish I could invite y’all to my first period class. My heart goes out to my tired and sleep deprived students.

I'm guessing the tired sleepy K-5 students would feel similarly.

Poster you are responding to.
You have a lack of knowledge of physiology for young children and teens. Teens need as much or even more sleep than young children. This is a fact society seems ignorant of. Also, teenagers sleep cycles are shifted due to hormones so they naturally stay up later and sleep longer in the morning. If you don’t understand teenage development, best not to comment perhaps

Teenagers during the 1800s stayed up later and slept in? Nope. If you believe teenagers need more sleep (they don't), then take the phone away, lights out at 9pm. That's 9 hours of sleep for a 6am wake up. If they're having trouble falling asleep, read a book or take some melatonin. The whole system is not changing the schedule because you're a lazy parent raising lazy kids.

I agree. Most teenagers were up until modern times part of an agrarian society and got up super early.

[Anonymous]

For those parents thinking they are enforcing "bedtime": your teens aren't wired to sleep early like you old parent, and you may think your teen is sleeping but chances are they are not actually sleeping. So what you think you are doing by "parenting" is not in your teen's best interest. Feel bad for your teen that they do not have a parent that is looking out for them! Sign the petition and be a good parent! -Signed a Dr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those parents thinking they are enforcing "bedtime": your teens aren't wired to sleep early like you old parent, and you may think your teen is sleeping but chances are they are not actually sleeping. So what you think you are doing by "parenting" is not in your teen's best interest. Feel bad for your teen that they do not have a parent that is looking out for them! Sign the petition and be a good parent! -Signed a Dr.

THANK YOU!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those parents thinking they are enforcing "bedtime": your teens aren't wired to sleep early like you old parent, and you may think your teen is sleeping but chances are they are not actually sleeping. So what you think you are doing by "parenting" is not in your teen's best interest. Feel bad for your teen that they do not have a parent that is looking out for them! Sign the petition and be a good parent! -Signed a Dr.

This is the eye-rolling nonsense. You’re really questioning my parenting, “doctor”? Feel bad for your patients, who have to deal with someone who makes assumptions and low digs at people based off of… ?

I’ll keep looking out for my teenagers, thank you. They are asleep without the distraction of devices by 10pm. Because I rock and have encouraged good sleep since their infancy. Because, you know, parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed that this thread is still active. I’m a HS teacher and on the side of a later start. I wish I could invite y’all to my first period class. My heart goes out to my tired and sleep deprived students.

I'm guessing the tired sleepy K-5 students would feel similarly.

Poster you are responding to.
You have a lack of knowledge of physiology for young children and teens. Teens need as much or even more sleep than young children. This is a fact society seems ignorant of. Also, teenagers sleep cycles are shifted due to hormones so they naturally stay up later and sleep longer in the morning. If you don’t understand teenage development, best not to comment perhaps

How much sleep do you think teens need? Because its basically 8-10 hours exception growth spurts. Kids 6-12 need 9-12.

You do the math with ES kids having to catch a bus at 630 and work backward. A 630 bedtime for a 1st grader, thats not happening. Just like a 8pm bedtime for a teenager isnt happening.

Ill also add that in the AAP sleep endorsement the doc was quoted in bold below:
A panel of 13 sleep experts reviewed 864 scientific articles to formulate the recommendations. It noted that sleep also must be appropriately timed and without disturbances.

While parents may determine their children’s bedtime, their wakeup call may be determined by their school start time, said Lee J. Brooks, M.D., FAAP, a member of the AASM panel and the AAP Section on Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine Executive Committee. In 2014, the AAP released a policy calling for middle and high schools to start no earlier than 8:30 a.m.

If schools start earlier, parents should make sure their children go to bed early enough to get the recommended amount of sleep, which may mean leaving some activities off the schedule, according to Dr. Brooks, attending pulmonologist at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

“They cannot play three sports, play in the band and join the chess club and still get enough sleep to do well in school,” he said.

Any child starting school at 730 is likely not getting enough sleep.

[Anonymous]

I am so sick and tired of letting kids sleep in late, so they can be up doing TIKTOK all night

[Anonymous]

Take away devices one hour before bed. It is hard we know, especially if student is up doing homework until right before they go to bed. So, implement fifteen minutes before bed while maybe they brush teeth/bathroom routine. Having said that, it is true teens' body tend to sleep later. Think college students up studying (or partying) until the wee hours naturally not feeling sleeping. And now think of your body - a 30-60yrs old - we on most nights could not do the same without a decent amount of caffeine and or if typically we work a night shift. Be kind to teens. And please please don't go after a fellow parent's style, just as you claim teens need to be home to pick up younger siblings after school, you don't know home life and therefore parenting styles out of necessity. No one size fits all solution obviously. -Signed a Dr (remember all Drs on here are not pediatricians)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Take away devices one hour before bed. It is hard we know, especially if student is up doing homework until right before they go to bed. So, implement fifteen minutes before bed while maybe they brush teeth/bathroom routine. Having said that, it is true teens' body tend to sleep later. Think college students up studying (or partying) until the wee hours naturally not feeling sleeping. And now think of your body - a 30-60yrs old - we on most nights could not do the same without a decent amount of caffeine and or if typically we work a night shift. Be kind to teens. And please please don't go after a fellow parent's style, just as you claim teens need to be home to pick up younger siblings after school, you don't know home life and therefore parenting styles out of necessity. No one size fits all solution obviously. -Signed a Dr (remember all Drs on here are not pediatricians)

I agree that there is no one size fits all solution, but the reality is, we're gonna have to have one bell schedule. And inevitably, that bell schedule is going to not work for one or many families.

So at some point, people need to conform and adapt and stop demanding that the school system conform to every family's preferences and priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those parents thinking they are enforcing "bedtime": your teens aren't wired to sleep early like you old parent, and you may think your teen is sleeping but chances are they are not actually sleeping. So what you think you are doing by "parenting" is not in your teen's best interest. Feel bad for your teen that they do not have a parent that is looking out for them! Sign the petition and be a good parent! -Signed a Dr.

I'm sure you're a "doctor" like Jill Biden.

[Anonymous]

Sign it!
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mcps-board-and-superintendent-please-wake-up-to#comments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sign it!
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mcps-board-and-superintendent-please-wake-up-to#comments

+162k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sign it!
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mcps-board-and-superintendent-please-wake-up-to#comments

+162k

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed that this thread is still active. I’m a HS teacher and on the side of a later start. I wish I could invite y’all to my first period class. My heart goes out to my tired and sleep deprived students.

I'm guessing the tired sleepy K-5 students would feel similarly.

Poster you are responding to.
You have a lack of knowledge of physiology for young children and teens. Teens need as much or even more sleep than young children. This is a fact society seems ignorant of. Also, teenagers sleep cycles are shifted due to hormones so they naturally stay up later and sleep longer in the morning. If you don’t understand teenage development, best not to comment perhaps

How much sleep do you think teens need? Because its basically 8-10 hours exception growth spurts. Kids 6-12 need 9-12.

You do the math with ES kids having to catch a bus at 630 and work backward. A 630 bedtime for a 1st grader, thats not happening. Just like a 8pm bedtime for a teenager isnt happening.

Ill also add that in the AAP sleep endorsement the doc was quoted in bold below:
A panel of 13 sleep experts reviewed 864 scientific articles to formulate the recommendations. It noted that sleep also must be appropriately timed and without disturbances.

While parents may determine their children’s bedtime, their wakeup call may be determined by their school start time, said Lee J. Brooks, M.D., FAAP, a member of the AASM panel and the AAP Section on Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine Executive Committee. In 2014, the AAP released a policy calling for middle and high schools to start no earlier than 8:30 a.m.

If schools start earlier, parents should make sure their children go to bed early enough to get the recommended amount of sleep, which may mean leaving some activities off the schedule, according to Dr. Brooks, attending pulmonologist at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

“They cannot play three sports, play in the band and join the chess club and still get enough sleep to do well in school,” he said.

Any child starting school at 730 is likely not getting enough sleep.

Everyone needs a different amount of sleep and yes, they can do a club, sports and band. Mine do. The difference is we parent. We send our kids to bed at a reasonable hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m impressed that this thread is still active. I’m a HS teacher and on the side of a later start. I wish I could invite y’all to my first period class. My heart goes out to my tired and sleep deprived students.

I'm guessing the tired sleepy K-5 students would feel similarly.

Poster you are responding to.
You have a lack of knowledge of physiology for young children and teens. Teens need as much or even more sleep than young children. This is a fact society seems ignorant of. Also, teenagers sleep cycles are shifted due to hormones so they naturally stay up later and sleep longer in the morning. If you don’t understand teenage development, best not to comment perhaps

How much sleep do you think teens need? Because its basically 8-10 hours exception growth spurts. Kids 6-12 need 9-12.

You do the math with ES kids having to catch a bus at 630 and work backward. A 630 bedtime for a 1st grader, thats not happening. Just like a 8pm bedtime for a teenager isnt happening.

Ill also add that in the AAP sleep endorsement the doc was quoted in bold below:
A panel of 13 sleep experts reviewed 864 scientific articles to formulate the recommendations. It noted that sleep also must be appropriately timed and without disturbances.

While parents may determine their children’s bedtime, their wakeup call may be determined by their school start time, said Lee J. Brooks, M.D., FAAP, a member of the AASM panel and the AAP Section on Pediatric Pulmonology and Sleep Medicine Executive Committee. In 2014, the AAP released a policy calling for middle and high schools to start no earlier than 8:30 a.m.

If schools start earlier, parents should make sure their children go to bed early enough to get the recommended amount of sleep, which may mean leaving some activities off the schedule, according to Dr. Brooks, attending pulmonologist at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

“They cannot play three sports, play in the band and join the chess club and still get enough sleep to do well in school,” he said.

Any child starting school at 730 is likely not getting enough sleep.

Everyone needs a different amount of sleep and yes, they can do a club, sports and band. Mine do. The difference is we parent. We send our kids to bed at a reasonable hour.

Well, you can send them to their bedrooms but you can't make them sleep. Evolution is a b**ch.