“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?
Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.
Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?
Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.
Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?
Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.
Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?
Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.
Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?
Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.
Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
They are current prominent Trump supporters.
Who is "they"? Please help unravel this conspiracy if you truly think there is one.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
They are current prominent Trump supporters.
Who is "they"? Please help unravel this conspiracy if you truly think there is one.
Yes who is they? Why no candidate? Why no explanation of how they could possibly win an election? Why no position taken on a critical issue like abortion? Who are these fools and what are they up to?
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Really? A viable alternative has a path to victory. What states are going to have no labels win the electoral college? A hypothetical "path to victory" will suffice. What is it?
You Trumpers and Bideners are so funny with all this wasted thought worrying about some entity that might be a political party yet they have never, ever actually had a candidate. Stop worrying; we will have the misfortune of a choice between the two 80 year old candidates and they'll have no competition. Aren't we so lucky!
So there is no actual path. No labels is full of BS and wants to just serve as a spoiler.
Yes, this is the case. They can whine about “both sides” all they want but they’re cheering for no labels solely for being a spoiler.
No one is whining about “both sides” it is neither side and a new alternative.
Tiresome nonsense. It is not an alternative unless the phantom candidate could win and there is no mt even a theory about what states could deliver this possibility.
No labels equals a big load of crap.
Agree 100%. Without a candidate, they are a big load of crap. If they had a candidate, we may be having a different conversation depending on who that candidate is. If the RNC and DNC could figure out away to replace Trump and Biden with viable candidates, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Usually candidates are selected in the first half of the election year (January-June). There is still enough time for No Labels to nominate someone. Also, Governor Hogan said that NL would only get involved in the election if the major parties selected Trump and Biden. So, it would be too early now.
Frisch reflects the "problem solver" approach of the No Labels Party. He is not an ideologue or someone who has to adopt policies outside the political mainstream in order to gain or hold political power. Is that so bad?
A majority of voters could rally around the idea of a "problem solver" for president.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
They are current prominent Trump supporters.
Who is "they"? Please help unravel this conspiracy if you truly think there is one.
DP...Leiberman and Mark Penn are both Trump supporters and are core to "No Labels"
Mark Penn's wife, Nancy Jacobson, is simply a money grabber.
Frisch reflects the "problem solver" approach of the No Labels Party. He is not an ideologue or someone who has to adopt policies outside the political mainstream in order to gain or hold political power. Is that so bad?
A majority of voters could rally around the idea of a "problem solver" for president.
Adam Frisch is a Democratic candidate, not a “No Labels” candidate. Just because they’ve slapped a “No Labels” “award” on him doesn’t mean it’s one of their candidates. So weird.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.
No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.
Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.
You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.
You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".
I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative.
Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?
Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.
Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
They are current prominent Trump supporters.
Who is "they"? Please help unravel this conspiracy if you truly think there is one.
DP...Leiberman and Mark Penn are both Trump supporters and are core to "No Labels"
Mark Penn's wife, Nancy Jacobson, is simply a money grabber.
I sense the paranoia of hard core Reps and Dems at the prospect of any potentially significant threat to their power from a 3rd party. What is to be, will be. The GOP and Dem parties need to get their acts together in order to remain in existence. If it takes a serious 3rd party threat to get them to tighten up, I'm okay with it. The country will be much better off when we have TWO well functioning parties leading our two party system instead of parties that seek to nominate unhinged maniacs and 81 year olds.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
They are current prominent Trump supporters.
Who is "they"? Please help unravel this conspiracy if you truly think there is one.
DP...Leiberman and Mark Penn are both Trump supporters and are core to "No Labels"
Mark Penn's wife, Nancy Jacobson, is simply a money grabber.
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.
Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party.
Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools.
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies.
Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history?
Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.
The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.
Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.
Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.
No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?
There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.
Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?
Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.
Let's not fall for it.
Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.
No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.
Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.
Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:
In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”
The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.
I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.
Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate?
They are current prominent Trump supporters.
Who is "they"? Please help unravel this conspiracy if you truly think there is one.
DP...Leiberman and Mark Penn are both Trump supporters and are core to "No Labels"
Mark Penn's wife, Nancy Jacobson, is simply a money grabber.
Mark Penn, if he is involved with No Labels, is not a Republican. He is a famed Democratic pollster who helped both Clintons.
Any suggestion that people such as Lieberman, Jacobson, and Hogan are actually pro-Trump or pro-Biden and they're coalescing under the guise of a 3rd party to help or hurt Trump or Biden is a ridiculous suggestion. I believe they have genuinely good intentions to give the American people a viable alternative to two historically unpopular candidates. This being said; I think their plan to wait until the spring of 2024 to make a final determination on if they'll field a candidate and if they do, who that candidate will be is a mistake as it won't give them enough time to build enough momentum to peel enough voters away from their GOP and Dem loyalties. I think it is safe to say that as a group, they would rather not get involved if their involvement made a Trump victory more likely and they're a smart enough group of people to trust in making sure that doesn't happen.
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