New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I drive this stretch of OGR about 4-6 times a day on average. I’ve been counting the number of cyclists I see in the bike lanes each day every time I go through there. Yes, it’s a very unscientific and anecdotal way to collet data, but it’s the best I can do.

The most cyclists I’ve seen on a weekday is 4. But that was over the whole day.

So let’s figure I spend a total of about 20 minutes observation per day, throughout the day. So let’s over estimate and say based on that, say 12 cyclists per hour were using the lanes. That’s 120 cyclists in a 12 hour morning/daytime/dusk period.

So 120 cyclists…. and how many thousand people in cars? That’s the problem with taking away travel lanes to make them into bike lanes. There’s almost no one using them compared to before. All this has done is create essentially a private road for a very very few people.

Are you also upset because you're not allowed to drive in the sidewalk, which is also a private road for very very few people? Or maybe you haven't been counting pedestrians? And then there are people at bus stops, where you also can't drive; have you been counting bus riders? I wish you wouldn't count anybody, by the way; please focus on driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I drive this stretch of OGR about 4-6 times a day on average. I’ve been counting the number of cyclists I see in the bike lanes each day every time I go through there. Yes, it’s a very unscientific and anecdotal way to collet data, but it’s the best I can do.

The most cyclists I’ve seen on a weekday is 4. But that was over the whole day.

So let’s figure I spend a total of about 20 minutes observation per day, throughout the day. So let’s over estimate and say based on that, say 12 cyclists per hour were using the lanes. That’s 120 cyclists in a 12 hour morning/daytime/dusk period.

So 120 cyclists…. and how many thousand people in cars? That’s the problem with taking away travel lanes to make them into bike lanes. There’s almost no one using them compared to before. All this has done is create essentially a private road for a very very few people.

Are you also upset because you're not allowed to drive in the sidewalk, which is also a private road for very very few people? Or maybe you haven't been counting pedestrians? And then there are people at bus stops, where you also can't drive; have you been counting bus riders? I wish you wouldn't count anybody, by the way; please focus on driving.

I think you really need to go cry to SHA who are in process of conducting a study of the impact - even before they are finished - which will conclude the obvious that everyone knows is true. You better ride those things now because they won’t be around long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I drive this stretch of OGR about 4-6 times a day on average. I’ve been counting the number of cyclists I see in the bike lanes each day every time I go through there. Yes, it’s a very unscientific and anecdotal way to collet data, but it’s the best I can do.

The most cyclists I’ve seen on a weekday is 4. But that was over the whole day.

So let’s figure I spend a total of about 20 minutes observation per day, throughout the day. So let’s over estimate and say based on that, say 12 cyclists per hour were using the lanes. That’s 120 cyclists in a 12 hour morning/daytime/dusk period.

So 120 cyclists…. and how many thousand people in cars? That’s the problem with taking away travel lanes to make them into bike lanes. There’s almost no one using them compared to before. All this has done is create essentially a private road for a very very few people.

Hi neighbor. I also drive or walk this stretch of OGR 4-6 times a day, typically in the 7-9 am time frame and often again in the 4-7 time frame. I’m just not seeing any significant congestion on the road, particularly when compared with what the congestion was back in the 2018 time frame. I think they’ve also managed to fix the massive pot hole problem that has plagued me for over a decade so that’s a win too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I drive this stretch of OGR about 4-6 times a day on average. I’ve been counting the number of cyclists I see in the bike lanes each day every time I go through there. Yes, it’s a very unscientific and anecdotal way to collet data, but it’s the best I can do.

The most cyclists I’ve seen on a weekday is 4. But that was over the whole day.

So let’s figure I spend a total of about 20 minutes observation per day, throughout the day. So let’s over estimate and say based on that, say 12 cyclists per hour were using the lanes. That’s 120 cyclists in a 12 hour morning/daytime/dusk period.

So 120 cyclists…. and how many thousand people in cars? That’s the problem with taking away travel lanes to make them into bike lanes. There’s almost no one using them compared to before. All this has done is create essentially a private road for a very very few people.

Are you also upset because you're not allowed to drive in the sidewalk, which is also a private road for very very few people? Or maybe you haven't been counting pedestrians? And then there are people at bus stops, where you also can't drive; have you been counting bus riders? I wish you wouldn't count anybody, by the way; please focus on driving.

I think you really need to go cry to SHA who are in process of conducting a study of the impact - even before they are finished - which will conclude the obvious that everyone knows is true. You better ride those things now because they won’t be around long.

The obvious that everyone knows is true is that there really is not significantly more traffic congestion, absent the effect of construction. Also, that driving speeds are slower, which is good and one of the goals of the safety project.

What everyone unfortunately does not know is true is that, even if there were significantly more traffic congestion, that would be still better than more people killed on Old Georgetown Road.

[Anonymous]

Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

[Anonymous]

Cope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

[Anonymous]

The tweet you pasted in is from February 2020, about the bike lanes between Cedar and Ryland, after the first teenage bicyclist on the sidewalk was killed, when the state repaved there. People complained about those bike lanes too. They're still there, although they didn't get the reflective plastic sticks until after the second teenage bicyclist on the sidewalk was killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tweet you pasted in is from February 2020, about the bike lanes between Cedar and Ryland, after the first teenage bicyclist on the sidewalk was killed, when the state repaved there. People complained about those bike lanes too. They're still there, although they didn't get the reflective plastic sticks until after the second teenage bicyclist on the sidewalk was killed.

LOL. You are not even capable of reading a few tweets? This is laughable.

I am not sure why I am bothering to explain it how to you but in 2020 SHA completed the study for the protected bike lanes and selected the option they implemented based on the traffic projections they generated that were inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

Why would MD put it back to 3 lanes? The evidence on a daily basis shows no significant delayed traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

It was not completed as of this Sunday, January 8, when I rode on it. Have you ridden on it? They've been repaving for a few months, but they didn't start installing the bike lanes until mid-December. Do you think SHA doesn't have experience with people complaining about any change? There's nothing special about the complainers about this project, except that some of them live or work in Bethesda (as did the four people who were recently killed) and are motivated to start a ridiculous number of threads on NextDoor.

I am not sure why a DC resident is interloping in state of Maryland transportation policy but if you’re going to argue to the death about something at least have some knowledge what you are talking about.

The project from 495 to Nicholson has been complete since November.

“The improvements on MD 187, between south of I-495 (Capital Beltway) and Nicholson Lane, will convert one travel lane in each direction in order to add buffered bicycle lanes and the installation of flex posts to outline the new bicycle lanes.”
https://www.roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?newsId=4415&PageId=818

I honestly don't know how to respond to somebody who keeps asserting, as facts, things that are not facts.

I think it’s clear that you don’t know where Nicholson Ln is. Please stay in DC. We don’t want you in Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any cyclists is going to acknowledged its going to take some time before more people cycle on OGR.
Right now it is winter.
But give people time to start marketing the road. REI and Pike and Rose could give discounts to people who cycle there.
Maybe the YMCA starts encourage more people to bike to that location.
The new high school on ORG will want to keep the bike lanes and encourage people to bike to school.
So there is alot of work to be done.
Hopefully MD doesn't cave in. Hopefully they examine traffic data and agree with everyone who cares about facts and sees that there has been very very little effects on traffic for cars.

I call this response “hope and cope”.

There’s always an excuse. It’s been completed for 2 months going back to the fall and the weather has been mild. How much time is needed to admit this is a failure?

The entire premise of this design is as sold on projections that are easily disproven by everyone that has the misfortune of needing to use the road. SHA is not going to “cave”, they are going to need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a more realistic plan which they already accounted for when they designed the lanes because they told everyone that if they didn’t work out they could be modified or removed.

Why would MD put it back to 3 lanes? The evidence on a daily basis shows no significant delayed traffic.

What’s your source? Your imagination? That’s awesome.