Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Did they break up yet? I thought the contract ended. lol

Are they married yet? Or at least engaged?

NP. But this contract theory has been out there since the beginning. People are only just now thinking they might be heading toward marriage seriously. But the contract folks have been squawking about it being fake since the day they started dating. So. It's been a year now. All the times they were supposedly done because the contract said so have come and gone, come and gone, come and gone, come and gone....

I mean, even Kylie Jenner and Timothée Chalamet are still together...

I would much rather Kylie and Timothee get married than Taylor and Travis - I hate Travis with the passion of a thousand low class yet new money midwesterners. I'd love to see K&T get married, her leave the show, lead a quieter more private life. Even if she does makeup lines or whatever her mom sets up for her, just not a reality show.

In one breath you excoriate "low class yet new money" and in the other you laud Kylie Kardashian and her momager. Too, too funny.

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Anonymous wrote:Have people seen the mashup she did for him at the Amsterdam concert? That was amazingly beautiful.

She keeps doing mashups of songs she wrote when she was in love with one man while with another. And now they are *for* Travis? It’s frankly embarrassing how fickle she is and how dumb he is for not getting that he is not the muse, not the inspiration behind anything. He is just a warm body to keep her occupied for the time being.

Women her age frequently lower their standards and settle. While she may not be genuinely in love with him, she can still marry and/or have a kid with him. It happens all the time.

You think she’s like all us dopes on this board? She’s a frickin billionaire with incompressible fame. She’s not lowering any standards.

But Travis is lowering her standards. Inferior to Jake, Joe and Matty in terms of looks, intellect and artistic abilities, qualities Taylor seems to have been drawn to all her life.

Not in terms of looks (I will say though Joe exemplifies "dreamy" like no other man) but definitely in terms of intellect. She can do so much better but I think she has realized that it's hard to find someone who can align with her lifestyle so she decided to settle.

I'm sorry, but Joe is not dreamy by any sense of the word. I'm glad she had her time with him, they seem to have parted on decent terms, but no way is he a step up from her current relationship. He was a scaredy cat spineless weasel in my opinion.

Joe is perfect blond hair blue eyes English accent and intelligent. Travis is ugly and low intellect and acts 12 — and has scrambled his brain playing sportball for 20 years.

Do you assume he's intelligent because he has an accent and blond hair, blue eyes?

Partially, sure, plus my ears. And my same eyes and ears tell me Kelce is a low intellect buffoon.

I truly think the juxtaposition in perception of Alwyn and Kelce is fascinating in terms of social anthropology. One is seen as an intellect ( despite no obvious evidence) and the other a low class buffoon.

Why? Is there prejudice against Kelce because he is American? Because he wears the latest hip and urban fashions?

And admiration for Alwyn and projection of prestige and class because he speaks in a British accent and is thin?

Very interesting phenomenon.

It’s also interesting that race is not a factor here. Both are white men with blue eyes.

It’s not just because of his accent and looks, Joe Alwyn for example posted about Gaza, repeatedly. Do you think Travis Kelce has even heard of the conflict? He’s just not the type. As one pp alluded, I know a buffoon when I hear him talking.

Good lord you’re insufferable. Yes of course he’s heard of Gaza - he’s also under a contract that restricts his ability to post at will. All pro athletes are. But why would he? If he did you’d be screaming for him to shut up, stay in his lane and just play football. You all can’t have it both ways but I see it here all the time- celebrities/athletes are criticized for speaking out and now for not.

Have you heard him talking during his podcast? Does that sound like someone articulate and intelligent to you?

So in your estimation, why do you care what he has to say about Gaza then? Since that’s your litmus test for - what exactly I don’t know.

Yes in fact I do listen to the podcast. He definitely brings more levity to the show but when it comes time to explaining how plays work, how they’re developed, what it means for the game, etc. if you’ll notice he always does a better job than Jason does.

My point isn’t that he’s not an excellent football player, it’s that he’s not sophisticated or worldly. I personally value those attributes and based on her obsession with Matty and long history with Joe, I think Taylor does too.

Matty is a drug addict, and Joe is an unsuccessful actor. Not exactly winners and probably exhausting to date. Travis is fun, publicly supportive of Taylor, and already one of the best in his field. I’d choose Travis too.

Matty is a rock star that sells arenas and has fans fainting from hyperventilation at his concerts. He writes beautiful, sophisticated lyrics and music. And Joe is just gorgeous. Both are way smarter, deeper, worldlier and more interesting than Travis, imo, but both were ultimately meh on Taylor because she probably is a handful and not all that without her PR.

You can’t be serious with this. The 1975 is a moderately successful indie band. Matt Healy is not a rockstar - that is insane.

Let me guess. After posting this, you toggle over to the JLO thread and talk about how Ben Affleck is a genius right? Insanity.

Oh, to be a mediocre white man in this world.

The frontman/lead vocalist of a rock or pop-rock band is generally considered and referred to as a rock star. The 1975 are very well known and neither mediocre nor indie any more.

Nobody that I know knew who they were before it came out that Taylor was dating Matty. I know they're more popular in Europe, but they're not very well known in the US.

Maybe it's your age. The college kids know this band...

Some of them surely do. Too bad they aren’t buying their music or going to their shows in numbers that would make them more successful.

The money= success idea that TS fans love. Go make a bracelet for greed and over consumption as that is the root of what you are worshipping.

I get your point and I agree. I’m just not sure how else to measure about success objectively. It’s not all about money of course, it’s about talent and 1 million other things, but if you’re trying to objectively make comparisons of them compared to their peers, you really have to see how many people are going to their concerts, how many people are buying them music?

They are clearly successful… But I wasn’t the one who started comparing them to Taylor Swift, or trying to say that she couldn’t hold her own to a rockstar who has fans hyperventilating and fainting.

I just use myself as a barometer if I like a band or not. I am at the whim of music stations and what they pick up. I enjoy the 1975s to a point but some of their lyrics give me a gross feeling. Like the one about men and soy milk- ew.

A lot of monetary success in music comes down to marketing not talent. Taylor is good at that, matty doesn’t seem to care as much about his image.

Definitely marketing money can get you on the radio and get you promoted… But it absolutely astound me that at this point in Taylor‘s career people are still doubting her talent. I just like Taylor‘s music. And I’m not on her marketing radar or her main demographic.

It’s wild to me that there are some posters who think she is that good at gaslighting people who like her music and that some people seem to be immune. Or that marketing can make her so prolific that she has so many hits and is able to make millions of people highly motivated to spend a lot of money and a lot of energy trying to get to our concerts. Wild!

Agree! My daughter is 20 so I've listened to TS throughout most of her life. I never really thought much about most of her songs, other than they were cute and a lot of fun. But in the past year, I do believe I've almost become a Swiftie - due entirely to her last four albums. I remember listening to "The Last Great American Dynasty" for the first time and just having my mind blown! I was so enthralled by the lyrics, the storytelling, everything. And now that I've taken the time to really listen to her work, I have so much respect for her. Her early stuff was ok, but not what I'm talking about at all. Her evolution is really quite astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

DP. I love her but I do think this tour is going on way too long and that she is, indeed, overexposed. I also hope she goes away for awhile afterwards. Keep it fresh, Taylor!

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

Because unless he marries her, any breakup is going to blow back on him in a nasty way.

DP. I don't agree with this. I think they probably will breakup at some point, but amicably. At least, that's what I hope.

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Anonymous wrote:I think her star power is fading. She's overexposed and becoming corny. I think this relationship with Travis made her look lame and hurt her brand.

Whatever you're imagining has no basis in reality. According to the numbers, nothing has hurt Taylor in years. Her star keeps rising.

Her last album flopped. She had to milk her fans by releasing a thousand variations of it to top the charts. She's being ridiculed for how robotic and formulaic her shows are. She peaked in 2023. Clearly on the descent.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

DP. I love her but I do think this tour is going on way too long and that she is, indeed, overexposed. I also hope she goes away for awhile afterwards. Keep it fresh, Taylor!

But the crazy thing is that she is selling out arenas multiple night in a row, again and again. There is a strong demand for this “never-ending tour.”

I’m curious to see what her next steps will be. This tour cannot be topped, and it’s hard to go “backwards” so I’m wondering if she’ll take things in a new direction entirely. I know she’s interested in directing.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

+1, except it’s 14 Grammy awards, including the most recent album of the year that JayZ is so butthurt that Beyoncé doesn’t have. She’s not being overtaken by anyone. That’s just ridiculous to even suggest, whether you like her music or Travis Kelce or not. Makes you look… kinda dumb.

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Travis is at her first show in Germany. He flew back to Europe after the golf tournament to spend a few more days with her before mandatory training camp on Friday.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Yup and all while reaping all the benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s definitely overexposed but I can only imagine she’ll take a nice long break after this. For people who know football, he’s not hurting her brand. At the very least, he worships her. How is that damaging?

There's nothing aspirational about him, he's actually embarrassing and several rungs below her. He's forced on her fans. Long-term I think it was a miscalculation for her celebrity and brand power. This never-ending tour, the movie, and the thousand variations of the same lackluster album are all money grabs. Shameless. Bad look. You have to be careful at her age. She's considered extremely old in pop music and frankly, she's been overtaken by the gals in their early 20s. She knows it. Which is why she has to do all these desperate stunts and money grabs to remain "#1".

Disagree. Are we even thinking about the same Taylor Swift? I'm no Swiftie, but you can't deny her business acumen, and her business skills are prodigious. Her decision to produce an Eras tour film is the “highest grossing concert film” (Forbes) earning $92.8 million in its opening weekend. She can do it all with a broken heart - with or without TK.

She even partnered with Google to create a puzzle to reveal the track titles of new songs released from the “vault" which led to boosting her standing in search engines. Her decision to re-record and re-release her early albums is a genius decision to gain personal control of her master right to the records.

Between her wildly popular Eras Tour, mastery of the Billboard charts, billion-dollar fortune, twelve Grammy Awards, domination of the pop culture headlines, and reclamation of her previous albums...yeah, I'd say she is doing okay being globally successful and staying on the Billboard charts.

Here is where people go off the rails about TS. Her TEAM has amazing business acumen, her Dad is apparently very good at this, but Taylor herself? She may make some of those choices sometimes, but I really doubt she is organizing those details. It isn’t her business acumen, she has swarms and teams of people around her to help.

You literally described every CEO ever. They build a great team and make decisions together.

Literally she isn’t doing all the work and her fans ascribe it all to her. It is nutty and speaks to the idea that her fans don’t want to acknowledge they are buying into a corporate machine rather than just liking her music.

She writes all her own music, she is an amazing song writer, they love her music.

They are also impressed by her CEO abilities.

Both are true.