Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

This. It is so disgusting, especially in the context of what is going on with Trump and law firms. Litigators clearly only care about $$

If so, same can be said about Baldoni’s side where billionaire Sarowitz has put an actual price tag on ensuring Lively and her family are destroyed. Freedman is getting very rich off all this through his lying and aggro behavior, which is completely disgusting.

I won't get into why because I don't want to draw attention, but this is a wrongheaded allegation.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

This. It is so disgusting, especially in the context of what is going on with Trump and law firms. Litigators clearly only care about $$

If so, same can be said about Baldoni’s side where billionaire Sarowitz has put an actual price tag on ensuring Lively and her family are destroyed. Freedman is getting very rich off all this through his lying and aggro behavior, which is completely disgusting.

I won't get into why because I don't want to draw attention, but this is a wrongheaded allegation.

“Trust me I’m right.” Probably some completely fabricated Freedman denial. Nah.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

DP but PP above said Lively is “trying at every turn to stay discovery” where they had two opportunities to attempt to stay discovery (Lively and Reynolds) that they haven’t taken. The only parties trying to stay discovery were NYT, which was entirely successful, and Sloane/PR company, which was not.

Definitely not “trying at every turn” to stay discovery. And (not to belabor the point) the AEO protective order was successful as well, so Gottlieb is coming out of discovery so far with a pretty even record of wins and losses.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

DP but PP above said Lively is “trying at every turn to stay discovery” where they had two opportunities to attempt to stay discovery (Lively and Reynolds) that they haven’t taken. The only parties trying to stay discovery were NYT, which was entirely successful, and Sloane/PR company, which was not.

Definitely not “trying at every turn” to stay discovery. And (not to belabor the point) the AEO protective order was successful as well, so Gottlieb is coming out of discovery so far with a pretty even record of wins and losses.

If LS’s request wasn’t successful, there was no reason to believe BL’s and RR’s would be, so there just wasn’t any point to request more stays. Had she been successful, BL and RR would’ve requested the same imo. Fact remains they haven’t been forthcoming and the only texts we have to go off of right now are those from the wayfarer parties. The lively parties are doing everything they can to prevent the public from seeing their texts. Because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial, and of course they’re all trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs. There’s a chance we’ll never see their texts, so it’s a bit unfair to draw conclusions based on just Abel’s and Justin’s texts when we haven’t seen what the other side was saying.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

DP but PP above said Lively is “trying at every turn to stay discovery” where they had two opportunities to attempt to stay discovery (Lively and Reynolds) that they haven’t taken. The only parties trying to stay discovery were NYT, which was entirely successful, and Sloane/PR company, which was not.

Definitely not “trying at every turn” to stay discovery. And (not to belabor the point) the AEO protective order was successful as well, so Gottlieb is coming out of discovery so far with a pretty even record of wins and losses.

If LS’s request wasn’t successful, there was no reason to believe BL’s and RR’s would be, so there just wasn’t any point to request more stays. Had she been successful, BL and RR would’ve requested the same imo. Fact remains they haven’t been forthcoming and the only texts we have to go off of right now are those from the wayfarer parties. The lively parties are doing everything they can to prevent the public from seeing their texts. Because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial, and of course they’re all trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs. There’s a chance we’ll never see their texts, so it’s a bit unfair to draw conclusions based on just Abel’s and Justin’s texts when we haven’t seen what the other side was saying.

Claiming it’s unlikely we will see any Lively texts before trial shows a clear lack of comprehension of the PO, but I won’t bore you with why. But I would certainly expect some relevant Lively texts to come out of the depositions.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

DP but PP above said Lively is “trying at every turn to stay discovery” where they had two opportunities to attempt to stay discovery (Lively and Reynolds) that they haven’t taken. The only parties trying to stay discovery were NYT, which was entirely successful, and Sloane/PR company, which was not.

Definitely not “trying at every turn” to stay discovery. And (not to belabor the point) the AEO protective order was successful as well, so Gottlieb is coming out of discovery so far with a pretty even record of wins and losses.

If LS’s request wasn’t successful, there was no reason to believe BL’s and RR’s would be, so there just wasn’t any point to request more stays. Had she been successful, BL and RR would’ve requested the same imo. Fact remains they haven’t been forthcoming and the only texts we have to go off of right now are those from the wayfarer parties. The lively parties are doing everything they can to prevent the public from seeing their texts. Because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial, and of course they’re all trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs. There’s a chance we’ll never see their texts, so it’s a bit unfair to draw conclusions based on just Abel’s and Justin’s texts when we haven’t seen what the other side was saying.

Claiming it’s unlikely we will see any Lively texts before trial shows a clear lack of comprehension of the PO, but I won’t bore you with why. But I would certainly expect some relevant Lively texts to come out of the depositions.

We won’t see them before trial unless they’re leaked and the point of AEO is to add extra protection against leaks. What’s not being comprehended?

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Also the above comment that Lively is trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs is bananas. Baldoni isn’t even trying to dismiss any of the suits against him. Unless he settles, there will be a trial lol.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

DP but PP above said Lively is “trying at every turn to stay discovery” where they had two opportunities to attempt to stay discovery (Lively and Reynolds) that they haven’t taken. The only parties trying to stay discovery were NYT, which was entirely successful, and Sloane/PR company, which was not.

Definitely not “trying at every turn” to stay discovery. And (not to belabor the point) the AEO protective order was successful as well, so Gottlieb is coming out of discovery so far with a pretty even record of wins and losses.

If LS’s request wasn’t successful, there was no reason to believe BL’s and RR’s would be, so there just wasn’t any point to request more stays. Had she been successful, BL and RR would’ve requested the same imo. Fact remains they haven’t been forthcoming and the only texts we have to go off of right now are those from the wayfarer parties. The lively parties are doing everything they can to prevent the public from seeing their texts. Because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial, and of course they’re all trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs. There’s a chance we’ll never see their texts, so it’s a bit unfair to draw conclusions based on just Abel’s and Justin’s texts when we haven’t seen what the other side was saying.

Claiming it’s unlikely we will see any Lively texts before trial shows a clear lack of comprehension of the PO, but I won’t bore you with why. But I would certainly expect some relevant Lively texts to come out of the depositions.

We won’t see them before trial unless they’re leaked and the point of AEO is to add extra protection against leaks. What’s not being comprehended?

The Lively texts that are relevant to the lawsuit won’t be AEO. You said “because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial.” The AEO provision provides no additional protection to relevant Lively texts before trial than the regular PO, so your “because of the AEO” assertion is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Also the above comment that Lively is trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs is bananas. Baldoni isn’t even trying to dismiss any of the suits against him. Unless he settles, there will be a trial lol.

Nope, she could also withdraw her complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:The appropriate way to handle behavior like this is to file a complete with HR and sag. Nothing that happened to Blake is worthy of a lawsuit and an article in New York Times.

Especially since a list of complaints were raised halfway through, and there were no other incidents. As someone said up thread, that’s an HR success story. We never should’ve heard about it beyond that point. But Blake decided to burn it all down in August and start rumors about him and ice him out of the premiere which caused rampant speculation and damaged his reputation. She started the smear campaign, didn’t see the intense backlash against her coming, maybe didn’t think he’d hire a crisis communications firm to deal with it, and then seems like had a meltdown, and felt backed up against the wall.

Her team should have stopped her, but her lawyers must be making a killing.

I wonder if her hair product line has made a comeback.

The reason the NYT found it newsworthy was the PR campaign, with those texts between Nathan, Abel, and Baldoni.

I also think it's highly unlikely Blake would have sued were it not for the texts. Her retaliation claims are stronger than the SH claims. And it's very problematic that Wayfarer agreed NOT to retaliate when they signed the 17-point list.

I’m curious to see how this gets argued in court. I think Baldoni can argue that he did NOT retaliate against her for SH at any point and that his actions were in response to what SHE did to HIM during the premiere. Let’s put this in corporate terms. If someone alleges SH at work, they can’t be fired for bringing those allegations but they can still be fired for cause. For example, if that person just starts coming to work late everyday, they can’t say oh you can’t fire me b/c once upon a time I alleged SH and that would be retaliation.

Some of the texts are very problematic for Baldoni. There is a text where he he essentially acknowledges that she believes her own allegations, and that they have to do something or "she'll never give up " it undercuts his argument that she was lying and just trying to steal the movie. And the texts about how he wants her buried (though those might be hearsay, we'll see), and him texting a tweet about Hailey Bieber being accused of being a mean girl and saying "this is what we need." I think there are others too, and can't remember.

The texts are a real problem for him

Just remember we’ve only really seen texts from the wayfarer parties—the ones taken from Abel’s phone and those JB released. Discovery will tell us what BL was saying, what RR was saying, what LS was saying and maybe what TS was saying. Some online believe Blake has texts about how to subtly smear JB. You do have to remember she iced him out, had the entire cast unfollow him etc. Do you really think there’s no paper trail of her own activities? JB has a right to defend himself. SH allegations are not a free pass to do what ever you want to another person.

Potentially, yeah. But it's all speculation at this point. That's why some of us have urged open mindedness. What will Lively stans do if her texts make her look really bad? On the other hand, what will JB-stans do if her texts exonerate her, show she wasn't plotting anything against him?

We still don't really know what happened. People assume a lot.

Sure, but if her texts exonerate her, why not put them out there like JB did? They did the opposite—sought to gag BF, requested AEO and are trying at every turn to stay discovery.

She'd have to release literally all her texts and emails to prove it at this stage, to prove a negative -- no one would do that. But if it happens in the discovery process with a PO in place, any personal texts will be kept private unless relevant.

And Lively hasn't sought to delay discovery. She's been participating in it. Other parties have requested stays, but they don't apply to Lively's own texts or emails.

Also, I'll note JB of course did not release all his communications. He cherry picked. And he's objected to Lively's very broad discovery request. So obviously he hasn't released everything.

LS was the first of the lively parties to request an MTD and stay of discovery. The stay was denied by the judge, so there was no point in the lawyers requesting a stay of discovery in the MTDs that came later.

DP but PP above said Lively is “trying at every turn to stay discovery” where they had two opportunities to attempt to stay discovery (Lively and Reynolds) that they haven’t taken. The only parties trying to stay discovery were NYT, which was entirely successful, and Sloane/PR company, which was not.

Definitely not “trying at every turn” to stay discovery. And (not to belabor the point) the AEO protective order was successful as well, so Gottlieb is coming out of discovery so far with a pretty even record of wins and losses.

If LS’s request wasn’t successful, there was no reason to believe BL’s and RR’s would be, so there just wasn’t any point to request more stays. Had she been successful, BL and RR would’ve requested the same imo. Fact remains they haven’t been forthcoming and the only texts we have to go off of right now are those from the wayfarer parties. The lively parties are doing everything they can to prevent the public from seeing their texts. Because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial, and of course they’re all trying to prevent a trial by filing MTDs. There’s a chance we’ll never see their texts, so it’s a bit unfair to draw conclusions based on just Abel’s and Justin’s texts when we haven’t seen what the other side was saying.

Claiming it’s unlikely we will see any Lively texts before trial shows a clear lack of comprehension of the PO, but I won’t bore you with why. But I would certainly expect some relevant Lively texts to come out of the depositions.

We won’t see them before trial unless they’re leaked and the point of AEO is to add extra protection against leaks. What’s not being comprehended?

The Lively texts that are relevant to the lawsuit won’t be AEO. You said “because of the AEO it’s unlikely we’ll see them before trial.” The AEO provision provides no additional protection to relevant Lively texts before trial than the regular PO, so your “because of the AEO” assertion is wrong.

Ok so because of AEO it’s even less likely we’ll see the texts before trial. Doesn’t change the point they’re not exactly being forthcoming.