Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?

The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.

No, the story is this.

Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.

People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.

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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.

Who were the two elderly people killed?

Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.

Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?

I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.

I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.

Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.

They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.

The man had just been violently assaulted. He didn't know these people from Adam. They were rushing into the situation to protect the assailant and that is why they got shot.

Yup, next time I get shoved in a store, I'll be sure to kill the 3 people next to me. That's the solution. Smh.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?

The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.

No, the story is this.

Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.

People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.

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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.

Who were the two elderly people killed?

Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.

Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?

I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.

I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.

Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.

They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.

The man had just been violently assaulted. He didn't know these people from Adam. They were rushing into the situation to protect the assailant and that is why they got shot.

Yup, next time I get shoved in a store, I'll be sure to kill the 3 people next to me. That's the solution. Smh.

Next time you get your head slammed hard into the ground and have a large, aggressive, menacing, mentally ill, hallucinating, irrational man towering over you while you hold a one year old child in your arms.....yeah, let's see how you "diffuse" that situation with words. Let's see you cherry pick which of the figures rushing at you are "good" vs "bad".

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?

The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.

No, the story is this.

Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.

People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.

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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.

Who were the two elderly people killed?

Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.

Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?

I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.

I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.

Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.

They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.

The man had just been violently assaulted. He didn't know these people from Adam. They were rushing into the situation to protect the assailant and that is why they got shot.

Yup, next time I get shoved in a store, I'll be sure to kill the 3 people next to me. That's the solution. Smh.

Next time you get your head slammed hard into the ground and have a large, aggressive, menacing, mentally ill, hallucinating, irrational man towering over you while you hold a one year old child in your arms.....yeah, let's see how you "diffuse" that situation with words. Let's see you cherry pick which of the figures rushing at you are "good" vs "bad".

Please. We've all been shoved in crowds while holding a child. Most of us don't kill the people who did it. And thank goodness for that because there would be even more innocent people dead.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?

The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.

No, the story is this.

Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.

People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.

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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.

Who were the two elderly people killed?

Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.

Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?

I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.

I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.

Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.

They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.

The man had just been violently assaulted. He didn't know these people from Adam. They were rushing into the situation to protect the assailant and that is why they got shot.

Yup, next time I get shoved in a store, I'll be sure to kill the 3 people next to me. That's the solution. Smh.

Next time you get your head slammed hard into the ground and have a large, aggressive, menacing, mentally ill, hallucinating, irrational man towering over you while you hold a one year old child in your arms.....yeah, let's see how you "diffuse" that situation with words. Let's see you cherry pick which of the figures rushing at you are "good" vs "bad".

Please. We've all been shoved in crowds while holding a child. Most of us don't kill the people who did it. And thank goodness for that because there would be even more innocent people dead.

He wasn't bumped into or elbowed by a pushy shopper. He had his head slammed to the ground while he had a one year old child in his arm.

The cop is not the one who was being violently irrational. He was reacting to irrational violence and protecting his one year old son.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?

The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.

No, the story is this.

Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.

People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.

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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.

Who were the two elderly people killed?

Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.

Should I insert the picture of the innocent baby that the police officer was protecting?

I feel for those parents, I really do. And I totally understand why Paola and Russell French rushed in to protect their mentally ill, combative son. I also understand why the police officer (who had just taken a very HARD hit to the head) felt the need to protect the innocent baby in his arms.

I don't. He was a trained police officer. He should know enough to not fire madly into a crowd. He could have shot the person who assaulted him and have had the mental capacity to understand that the 2 elderly people were trying to diffuse the situation.

Define "diffuse the situation". Were the parents rushing at him while he was laying on the ground with a baby in his arms? Remember how fast all of this happened. There was no time for conversation - they were all reacting to a very sudden, random act of violence done by an hallucinating, mentally ill man.

They were dead in 3 seconds. I don't think they could have done much that could be defined as threatening. A trained cop should be able to judge the situation better. He should be off the force.

The man had just been violently assaulted. He didn't know these people from Adam. They were rushing into the situation to protect the assailant and that is why they got shot.

Yup, next time I get shoved in a store, I'll be sure to kill the 3 people next to me. That's the solution. Smh.

Next time you get your head slammed hard into the ground and have a large, aggressive, menacing, mentally ill, hallucinating, irrational man towering over you while you hold a one year old child in your arms.....yeah, let's see how you "diffuse" that situation with words. Let's see you cherry pick which of the figures rushing at you are "good" vs "bad".

Please. We've all been shoved in crowds while holding a child. Most of us don't kill the people who did it. And thank goodness for that because there would be even more innocent people dead.

He wasn't bumped into or elbowed by a pushy shopper. He had his head slammed to the ground while he had a one year old child in his arm.

The cop is not the one who was being violently irrational. He was reacting to irrational violence and protecting his one year old son.

Yeah, we've heard you. You think being hit is justification to shoot the 3 people in closest proximity. Many people disagree.

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I'm just glad that the innocent baby wasn't hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad that the innocent baby wasn't hurt.

You should be glad that more innocent people weren't killed by a trigger happy cop firing 10 shots into a crowded Costco.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad that the innocent baby wasn't hurt.

You should be glad that more innocent people weren't killed by a trigger happy cop firing 10 shots into a crowded Costco.

Amazing how only the assailant and the two people rushing in to protect the assailant were shot. No one else was. It's almost like the cop was not firing willy nilly into the crowd. He was actually taking down the people threatening him.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad that the innocent baby wasn't hurt.

You should be glad that more innocent people weren't killed by a trigger happy cop firing 10 shots into a crowded Costco.

Amazing how only the assailant and the two people rushing in to protect the assailant were shot. No one else was. It's almost like the cop was not firing willy nilly into the crowd. He was actually taking down the people threatening him.

If you think trying to stop a shooter is grounds for being shot, I don't know what to say. You deserve the violent world we live in.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad that the innocent baby wasn't hurt.

You should be glad that more innocent people weren't killed by a trigger happy cop firing 10 shots into a crowded Costco.

Amazing how only the assailant and the two people rushing in to protect the assailant were shot. No one else was. It's almost like the cop was not firing willy nilly into the crowd. He was actually taking down the people threatening him.

This. There was no harm to any innocent parties or non-combatants here.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad that the innocent baby wasn't hurt.

You should be glad that more innocent people weren't killed by a trigger happy cop firing 10 shots into a crowded Costco.

Amazing how only the assailant and the two people rushing in to protect the assailant were shot. No one else was. It's almost like the cop was not firing willy nilly into the crowd. He was actually taking down the people threatening him.

This. There was no harm to any innocent parties or non-combatants here.

Trying to explain to a man with a gun that your son is mentally ill does not make you a "combatant". What is wrong with you? A cop shot 3 people in 3 seconds. There was no harm done to him or his kid yet 3 other people were shot.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m for very strict gun control.

But, the people on this thread falsely claiming that innocent bystanders were shot and now claiming that three people were killed are doing NOTHING to help the gun control dialogue.

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French wasn't "mentally disabled" - he was a diagnosed schizophrenic with a recent change in meds. He was severely and dangerously mentally ill.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone actually tell who is who and what happens?

It seems like there is an initial altercation between a person in a striped shirt and a person in a reddish / dark shirt. The altercation is very brief and then they both fall to the floor.

A few seconds later while both are still on the floor there is a flurry of activity just behind them and it looks like people knock a few things down or fall down. It is very hard to tell.

Was the cop one of the people on the ground? Did he keep shooting others from the ground?

The story is this: Mentally ill man bumps armed cop in store. Cop falls to the ground. Cop panics and shoots into a crowded Costco. Cop gets let off for "self defense." The end.

No, the story is this.

Large mentally ill man randomly hits another man holding a child violently in the back of his head. That man, hid child, mentally ill man, and his father all fall to the ground. Dad-mode kicks in and he shoots person who attacked him, because holy crap, you and your child have just been violently knocked down hard by a large 6 foot man.

People who are liable to go into "dad-mode" and start shooting in a CROWDED PUBLIC PLACE when they get knocked should not have guns. Period. While it's possibly justified that he doesn't get charged criminally, he absolutely should not have a gun.

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+1 All the dads I know don't carry weapons into Costco, nor would they kill 3 people (2 elderly!) after getting shoved.

Who were the two elderly people killed?

Paola and Russell French. They died begging the cop not to shoot their son and trying to explain that he was mentally disabled.

They are still alive! If you can’t even get that part right, absolutely nothing you say has any merit.

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The officer is still alive too and so is his child. They were not shot.