Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can we stop declaring we know about Joe Alwyn's mental health. As far as I know he hasn't said anything about having depression.

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There is one bizarre poster who has extrapolated a couple of lines from songs and claims she knows all about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Meanwhile, there are zero actual news reports about anything like that.

Just googled it and there are a lot of TMZ type stuff that says he had mental health issues.

It may or may not be true, but it is easy to find tabloid articles about it.

The in group/out group tactics of calling people bizarre or weird just adds to the overall mean girl feel of Taylor fandoms- so go you?

Just Googled it ... TMZ type stuff"
Heaven forbid any of us is ever declared suffering from poor mental health by Dr. TMZ. Where did the media outlets get the idea that Joe has depression? Taylor lyrics. Taylor social media. Taylor fans. He hasn't said boo about it.
-First pp you quoted

You are trying to point out that Joe doesn’t have mental health issues. Cool- I have no idea if he does or doesn’t. I am not saying we can possibly even know that. Frankly, I dont care.

My point is that saying people are “bizarre” for stating something you can find in the grocery store aisle tabloids is trying to assign other-ness to a person for expressing an opinion that is fairly commonplace. The establishment of “other-ness” is a hallmark of Taylor fandom as well as mean girl cliques and bullies everywhere.

I didn't say anyone was bizarre for talking about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Creating and spreading diagnoses of someone's mental health is the way of society now, I know. Was just labeling the source as Taylor Swift.

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It’s bully behavior to suggest someone has mental illness in your lyrics when you say you have trained your fans to find clues.

I like her music but I do not think she always makes kind choices.

Nobody is perfect.

What lyrics are you talking about and how do you know it’s about Joe?

I’ll ask you a question. Why do people think Joe has depression when he has never stated such?

He did state he was depressed. Google his name.

DP. Not seeing anything but fan theories and rumors. Certainly not anything from Joe himself. Can you share some links?

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No I can't because now the google search is flooded with his statement ... Joe Alwyn “Depressed & Emotionally Drained” because he put out a statement that the breakup made him depressed.

Nah. That isn't from Joe' or his side. Still only hear this talk from Taylor's side of the fence.

Are you saying he made no statements ever in the past year?

I'm looking for Joe specifically talking about his depression. For him claiming this diagnosis.

Don’t you think there is an NDA about him discussing anything that happened when he was with Taylor? I do. I’d lay low too.

If he was hiding from the public in general (as Taylor seems to say they were) and don’t want a ton of publicity/are generally a private person it makes sense if you don’t want to broadcast your personal mental health issues.

Maybe there are cultural divides here as well- British stiff upper lip and all.

Either way I respect his handling of the break up much more than the way Taylor handles things. I also don’t blame Taylor fans for hunting for clues about her relationships when she had built her empire upon having her fans just do that.

But she is apparently allowed to write songs about her relationships. She can do it but won’t allow her lovers to do it.

Then she writes songs about Joe being depressed. What a mean action.


I respect him much more too, especially now that I see from TTPD that she was involved with someone else and lining away for someone else.

Joe had said he thought Matty and Taylor were just friends in fall 2022. But…he was wrong.

I agree. Taylor needs to grow up. She fully knows the effect of her lyrics: sending her crazier fans after the men she writes about. But she keeps detailing their flaws. No one is perfect.
And sorry Tay, but small man or not, Matty Healey had you and a string of other stars and gorgeous women totally whipped, down bad, crying at the gym.

Yes, captain obvious. We know that, because she said that. I have no idea what point you think you’re making, but you are not actually making one.

[Anonymous]

Mary’s song x So high school x everything has changed - she is down bad in a good way. 🫶

So cute that she wrote Mary’s song as a teenager, referencing 87 and 89… then wrote so high school about Travis. Especially after watching this:

[Anonymous]

Today's mashup brought tears to my eyes. She is insane.

[Anonymous]

Girl can't take a hint. When Jake G said if they’d been closer in age, it might have been fine, I believe he was alluding to levels of maturity. Then Matty told her that normal girls are boring and was gone by the morning, so….

Travis Kelce might just be her best bet. Out of her league intelligence-wise, so he’ll always follow where she leads. Not a bad matchup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today's mashup brought tears to my eyes. She is insane.

Wow, thanks for sharing. Her emotional intelligence far exceeded anybody.

She’s finally Met someone who can handle the fame, - and accept her for who she is.

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Yes. And keep in mind she wrote Mary's Song as a young teen and it was released when she was 16. It is crazy that she wrote about being 87 too.

I wonder what it is like in her brain with all of these lyrics filed away and the way she shuffles them all around to make something new (and amazing.)

I bet Travis was crying bc he is a softie.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can we stop declaring we know about Joe Alwyn's mental health. As far as I know he hasn't said anything about having depression.

+1
There is one bizarre poster who has extrapolated a couple of lines from songs and claims she knows all about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Meanwhile, there are zero actual news reports about anything like that.

Just googled it and there are a lot of TMZ type stuff that says he had mental health issues.

It may or may not be true, but it is easy to find tabloid articles about it.

The in group/out group tactics of calling people bizarre or weird just adds to the overall mean girl feel of Taylor fandoms- so go you?

Just Googled it ... TMZ type stuff"
Heaven forbid any of us is ever declared suffering from poor mental health by Dr. TMZ. Where did the media outlets get the idea that Joe has depression? Taylor lyrics. Taylor social media. Taylor fans. He hasn't said boo about it.
-First pp you quoted

You are trying to point out that Joe doesn’t have mental health issues. Cool- I have no idea if he does or doesn’t. I am not saying we can possibly even know that. Frankly, I dont care.

My point is that saying people are “bizarre” for stating something you can find in the grocery store aisle tabloids is trying to assign other-ness to a person for expressing an opinion that is fairly commonplace. The establishment of “other-ness” is a hallmark of Taylor fandom as well as mean girl cliques and bullies everywhere.

I didn't say anyone was bizarre for talking about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Creating and spreading diagnoses of someone's mental health is the way of society now, I know. Was just labeling the source as Taylor Swift.

+100

It’s bully behavior to suggest someone has mental illness in your lyrics when you say you have trained your fans to find clues.

I like her music but I do not think she always makes kind choices.

Nobody is perfect.

What lyrics are you talking about and how do you know it’s about Joe?

I’ll ask you a question. Why do people think Joe has depression when he has never stated such?

He did state he was depressed. Google his name.

DP. Not seeing anything but fan theories and rumors. Certainly not anything from Joe himself. Can you share some links?

+1

No I can't because now the google search is flooded with his statement ... Joe Alwyn “Depressed & Emotionally Drained” because he put out a statement that the breakup made him depressed.

Nah. That isn't from Joe' or his side. Still only hear this talk from Taylor's side of the fence.

Are you saying he made no statements ever in the past year?

I'm looking for Joe specifically talking about his depression. For him claiming this diagnosis.

He did make a statement and it comes up a 100 different ways if you google joe A and depression

Don't need 100 different ways. Only looking for one legitimate link of Joe talking about his depression, as was stated upthread.

Uh it doesn’t exist…

WHy would he do that? He has said it is hard to have the public eye on his private relationship and she is dropping Easter eggs about their relationship. It would be masochistic to say, yeah we broke up because I suffer from depression. Can you imagine the Swifties response? They would eat him alive and make fun of him. Especially when he still has a career in UK acting, it would not make sense to talk about how he feels right now.

Respect that he is keeping to himself in the face of the tempest that is the Swifties.

DP. The fact remains, he has *never* said that he has depression - and neither has she. Some lyrics from her songs are not this admission you seem to think they are. Some of you really get off on spreading malicious rumors.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can we stop declaring we know about Joe Alwyn's mental health. As far as I know he hasn't said anything about having depression.

+1
There is one bizarre poster who has extrapolated a couple of lines from songs and claims she knows all about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Meanwhile, there are zero actual news reports about anything like that.

Just googled it and there are a lot of TMZ type stuff that says he had mental health issues.

It may or may not be true, but it is easy to find tabloid articles about it.

The in group/out group tactics of calling people bizarre or weird just adds to the overall mean girl feel of Taylor fandoms- so go you?

Just Googled it ... TMZ type stuff"
Heaven forbid any of us is ever declared suffering from poor mental health by Dr. TMZ. Where did the media outlets get the idea that Joe has depression? Taylor lyrics. Taylor social media. Taylor fans. He hasn't said boo about it.
-First pp you quoted

You are trying to point out that Joe doesn’t have mental health issues. Cool- I have no idea if he does or doesn’t. I am not saying we can possibly even know that. Frankly, I dont care.

My point is that saying people are “bizarre” for stating something you can find in the grocery store aisle tabloids is trying to assign other-ness to a person for expressing an opinion that is fairly commonplace. The establishment of “other-ness” is a hallmark of Taylor fandom as well as mean girl cliques and bullies everywhere.

I didn't say anyone was bizarre for talking about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Creating and spreading diagnoses of someone's mental health is the way of society now, I know. Was just labeling the source as Taylor Swift.

+100

It’s bully behavior to suggest someone has mental illness in your lyrics when you say you have trained your fans to find clues.

I like her music but I do not think she always makes kind choices.

Nobody is perfect.

What lyrics are you talking about and how do you know it’s about Joe?

I’ll ask you a question. Why do people think Joe has depression when he has never stated such?

He did state he was depressed. Google his name.

DP. Not seeing anything but fan theories and rumors. Certainly not anything from Joe himself. Can you share some links?

+1

No I can't because now the google search is flooded with his statement ... Joe Alwyn “Depressed & Emotionally Drained” because he put out a statement that the breakup made him depressed.

Nah. That isn't from Joe' or his side. Still only hear this talk from Taylor's side of the fence.

Are you saying he made no statements ever in the past year?

I'm looking for Joe specifically talking about his depression. For him claiming this diagnosis.

He did make a statement and it comes up a 100 different ways if you google joe A and depression

Don't need 100 different ways. Only looking for one legitimate link of Joe talking about his depression, as was stated upthread.

Uh it doesn’t exist…

WHy would he do that? He has said it is hard to have the public eye on his private relationship and she is dropping Easter eggs about their relationship. It would be masochistic to say, yeah we broke up because I suffer from depression. Can you imagine the Swifties response? They would eat him alive and make fun of him. Especially when he still has a career in UK acting, it would not make sense to talk about how he feels right now.

Respect that he is keeping to himself in the face of the tempest that is the Swifties.

Swifties made Joe the enemy. If that happened to me, I’d be depressed about that!

They also wanted to attack John M and the actor featured in All Too Well. TS had to tell fans to calm down about John M. I don’t know if she ever told them to leave Joe alone when they said he was depressed. I don’t think she did, so I assume she’s happy to either share Joe’s personal health info or insinuate that Joe has a mental health issue.

Of course, she rarely admits to being part of went wrong in any relationship. She has done so a little bit but the main narrative is that it is the guy’s fault.

She has done nothing of the sort. You are part of the problem.
DP

[Anonymous]

If tonight’s mashup, which was basically her singing a love letter to Travis for the world to hear, doesn’t put the final nail in the “Matty & Taylor” coffin, nothing will. That chapter is officially closed.

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Anonymous wrote:Today's mashup brought tears to my eyes. She is insane.

Wow. Just beautiful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. And keep in mind she wrote Mary's Song as a young teen and it was released when she was 16. It is crazy that she wrote about being 87 too.

I wonder what it is like in her brain with all of these lyrics filed away and the way she shuffles them all around to make something new (and amazing.)

I bet Travis was crying bc he is a softie.

Yes he was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. And keep in mind she wrote Mary's Song as a young teen and it was released when she was 16. It is crazy that she wrote about being 87 too.

I wonder what it is like in her brain with all of these lyrics filed away and the way she shuffles them all around to make something new (and amazing.)

I bet Travis was crying bc he is a softie.

He was!!

[Anonymous]

That was a beautiful medley/mashup.

[Anonymous]

Imo, Travis is attention seeking and totally cringe, but to each their own.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can we stop declaring we know about Joe Alwyn's mental health. As far as I know he hasn't said anything about having depression.

+1
There is one bizarre poster who has extrapolated a couple of lines from songs and claims she knows all about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Meanwhile, there are zero actual news reports about anything like that.

Just googled it and there are a lot of TMZ type stuff that says he had mental health issues.

It may or may not be true, but it is easy to find tabloid articles about it.

The in group/out group tactics of calling people bizarre or weird just adds to the overall mean girl feel of Taylor fandoms- so go you?

Just Googled it ... TMZ type stuff"
Heaven forbid any of us is ever declared suffering from poor mental health by Dr. TMZ. Where did the media outlets get the idea that Joe has depression? Taylor lyrics. Taylor social media. Taylor fans. He hasn't said boo about it.
-First pp you quoted

You are trying to point out that Joe doesn’t have mental health issues. Cool- I have no idea if he does or doesn’t. I am not saying we can possibly even know that. Frankly, I dont care.

My point is that saying people are “bizarre” for stating something you can find in the grocery store aisle tabloids is trying to assign other-ness to a person for expressing an opinion that is fairly commonplace. The establishment of “other-ness” is a hallmark of Taylor fandom as well as mean girl cliques and bullies everywhere.

I didn't say anyone was bizarre for talking about Joe Alwyn's mental health. Creating and spreading diagnoses of someone's mental health is the way of society now, I know. Was just labeling the source as Taylor Swift.

+100

It’s bully behavior to suggest someone has mental illness in your lyrics when you say you have trained your fans to find clues.

I like her music but I do not think she always makes kind choices.

Nobody is perfect.

What lyrics are you talking about and how do you know it’s about Joe?

I’ll ask you a question. Why do people think Joe has depression when he has never stated such?

He did state he was depressed. Google his name.

DP. Not seeing anything but fan theories and rumors. Certainly not anything from Joe himself. Can you share some links?

+1

No I can't because now the google search is flooded with his statement ... Joe Alwyn “Depressed & Emotionally Drained” because he put out a statement that the breakup made him depressed.

Nah. That isn't from Joe' or his side. Still only hear this talk from Taylor's side of the fence.

Are you saying he made no statements ever in the past year?

I'm looking for Joe specifically talking about his depression. For him claiming this diagnosis.

He did make a statement and it comes up a 100 different ways if you google joe A and depression

Don't need 100 different ways. Only looking for one legitimate link of Joe talking about his depression, as was stated upthread.

Uh it doesn’t exist…

WHy would he do that? He has said it is hard to have the public eye on his private relationship and she is dropping Easter eggs about their relationship. It would be masochistic to say, yeah we broke up because I suffer from depression. Can you imagine the Swifties response? They would eat him alive and make fun of him. Especially when he still has a career in UK acting, it would not make sense to talk about how he feels right now.

Respect that he is keeping to himself in the face of the tempest that is the Swifties.

DP. The fact remains, he has *never* said that he has depression - and neither has she. Some lyrics from her songs are not this admission you seem to think they are. Some of you really get off on spreading malicious rumors.

Right- like Taylor herself does when she purposefully puts Easter eggs in her lyrics to slam people.