Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:I only care if you can play, then I will figure out how many years of elgibility you have.

- A college coach

Roster the weirdos if you want but if you don't win you'te out.

- A college athletic director (who the college coach reports to)

Did you speak with the coach? Why the hell are they trying to get scholoships for players that arent even playing at the highest level?

A college president (who the athletic director reports to)

What is your coach doing bringing on players that are playing on Junior Varsity high school level teams? We need to win. People dont donate when we lose.

- College Soccer Booster Club president (Who the College President. Athletic Director, and Coach speak with bi weekly at events)

I didn't know A Team ENCL/MLSN/GA were JV.

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BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

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Anonymous wrote:I only care if you can play, then I will figure out how many years of elgibility you have.

- A college coach

Roster the weirdos if you want but if you don't win you'te out.

- A college athletic director (who the college coach reports to)

Did you speak with the coach? Why the hell are they trying to get scholoships for players that arent even playing at the highest level?

A college president (who the athletic director reports to)

What is your coach doing bringing on players that are playing on Junior Varsity high school level teams? We need to win. People dont donate when we lose.

- College Soccer Booster Club president (Who the College President. Athletic Director, and Coach speak with bi weekly at events)

I didn't know A Team ENCL/MLSN/GA were JV.

Colleges only look at players graduation date. If you're playing at a grade down level it would be Jr Varsity in their world.

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these comments and knowing these folks are the ones molding their kids mentality is scary

Can't get good teammates out of this batch

I agree! The people saying that is ok to play down and that college coaches wont care if your kid is playing on a grade down tean are ridiculious. Its scary thinking about the excuses they must be telling their kids.

Kids are being compared to other kids in their graduating year.
That's how college's recruit.

They're also being compared to transfer portal players. So its not just the players in their grade. There's also competition from players 1-3 maybe even 4 years older that are already playing in college.

That makes grade even less relevant than it already is

Talent, potential and college start date is all that matters

So you're theory is that because players are competing against other players 1-4 (maybe more) years older than they are for a college roster spot that somehow playing down againt younger players in high school will prepare them to play at a higher level.

You really think coaches wont notice that players are playing down a grade.

Colleges don't recruit soccer players from High School
What decade are you living in?

If you're a U16 playing U15, the only person you're fooling is yourself, because no College wants you.

You're calling a fact a theory.
If not talent, potential and graduating year, what are colleges looking at?

Agree 1000%

Unfortunately there's a very persistent troll that monitors this thread 24/7 saying that playing on a grade down team isn't a big deal and that college coaches wont notice.

Now that details about SY are starting to come out from clubs its becoming more and more clear that they will group by grade within the 8/1-7/31 context. (ie younger players will be forced to play with their grade)

Multiple people aren't trolling when they are countering a disinformation campaign where one loud poster is saying that they want August kids playing up an age group so their September born kid can be the oldest in their age group.

It is surprising that the person hasn't gotten another self centered parent of a September kid to join them but I guess even they realize that is a ridiculous fruitless effort to stump for a new rule on a random forum that doesn't make sense to anyone but the most self centered.

You are the disinformation campaign.

You just dont realize it because your kid is likely a little or on a lower B/C team.

You know your wrong, so you're going personal. So typical.

How is pointing out that you're naive because you haven't been in a recruiting situation yet "going personal"?

You dont understand how things work once recruiting and college coaches are involved. You're trying to apply what you've learned attending tournamants and league games but its not the same game.

Instead of being a know it all. Step back, listen, and learn.

No, I'm sharing what I know after talking to college coaches, club coaches and parents and it's far more complicated than how you present things here.

Its only more complicated because you think players should be able to play on a grade down team. If you take away the loser thought processes recruiting becomes much easier. If your kid is playing up recruiting becomes much easier. If your kid is playing on a highly ranked team recruiting becomes much easier.

Reaching the best team in your age group on a top league isn't a loser option. That's your blind spot.

What are you talking about? Planet crazytown.

Keep distracting. The club documentation so far agrees with me. These will be case-by-case decisions.

Ok littles

If they don't play on grade for just for littles, that would make sense because of RAE factors.

Do you rip the bandaid off quickly or pull it off slowly? In the end the result is the same.

Most conpetitive clubs won't want to deal with accommodating edge cases. Which means they'll just group by grade from the beginning because its easiest.

I could see youngers tournament teams rostering grade up but eligible to play down Aug/Sept birthdays for wins. But this ends after 11v11 also at 11v11 is when a grade down player would need to start playing with their grade in school. This is because on the ECNL and other websites players graduating year is listed.

Yes, ECNL do list their grad years and BY teams have multiple years. Jury out on next year with SY. In the meantime, 2 big clubs say it's case-by-case. If it was automatic, they'd say so, so to this point, you're just wrong.

Just to be clear...

Because of BY you do see 2 graduating years on the ECNL website. The 2 that are listed are players playing their grade and players playing on a grade up team.

With SY you might also see 2 graduating years on the ECNL website. The two that will be listed are players playing their grade and players playing on a grade DOWN team.

It's humorous that you think ECNL will stop posting graduating year. If they stop posting it would be obvious that they're trying to hide players playing down from college coaches. If they leave it up college coaches will use it to avoid players playing down a grade. (trojan horses)

Just because YOU have decided and repeat over and over again that players will be avoided does not make it a FACT.

Ahh... Now I understand the disconnect. You dont understand that coaches dont think highly of players playing down in any sport since the beginning of time.

Playing down, redshirting, regrading whatever you want to call this type of cheating. Only works in High School because the level players aee playing at and their graduating year are in alignment. Likely because the kid was held back in school. Because of the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window you cant do this with club soccer. So it will be like a flashing light in the middle of the night that a player is playing down a grade. Which will make them unrecruitable.

So ridiculous and provably ridiculous. Hall of Fame college coaching careers were made off of Prop 48 and redshirting.

Out come the private school parents and 16 year old freshman.

Nobody wants grade other then crazy August conspirator. It was said incorrectly that college coaches don't want older kids, they do. So much so that they create them.

So now you've dropped the mask and are openly endorsing redshirt/regrades/holdbacks. At least you're being honest. Please tell us more about that GY showcase idea you want so badly.

Not sure how you got endorsement out of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches don't care if you are playing up/down or side to side, They care that you can actually play and then thye will care what recruting year you will be in. Could care less if they are older or younger, when looking at transfers its only relevant if you are a choosing to do it and at that point coaches who are doin this want physically developed players so being old for your grade is an advantage ultimately

Coaches are not interested in older players that are graduating in X year playing on a team thats graduating in Y year. They have lists of players playing with their grade, playing up a grade, and transfer players to choose from.

Look, this doesn't match with reality. College coaches, youth coaches don't care about kids ages/grades, just their eligibility. Not sure on why you are trying to use something so obviously incorrect as your premise for creating a situation where your DD is the oldest on her club (while stating that being the oldest doesn't matter). I would think you would have moved on to some other ginned up excuse to make her the oldest by now.

Your gambit to try to get traction to make youth soccer grade based in a way to make your September girl the oldest hasn't worked. People have pointed out the flaws and the fact that clubs and leagues are forcing anybody to play up and in fact discourage playing up.

You should regroup and try something else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches don't care if you are playing up/down or side to side, They care that you can actually play and then thye will care what recruting year you will be in. Could care less if they are older or younger, when looking at transfers its only relevant if you are a choosing to do it and at that point coaches who are doin this want physically developed players so being old for your grade is an advantage ultimately

Coaches are not interested in older players that are graduating in X year playing on a team thats graduating in Y year. They have lists of players playing with their grade, playing up a grade, and transfer players to choose from.

Look, this doesn't match with reality. College coaches, youth coaches don't care about kids ages/grades, just their eligibility. Not sure on why you are trying to use something so obviously incorrect as your premise for creating a situation where your DD is the oldest on her club (while stating that being the oldest doesn't matter). I would think you would have moved on to some other ginned up excuse to make her the oldest by now.

Your gambit to try to get traction to make youth soccer grade based in a way to make your September girl the oldest hasn't worked. People have pointed out the flaws and the fact that clubs and leagues are forcing anybody to play up and in fact discourage playing up.

You should regroup and try something else.

Hahaha ok littles

There's no agenda. Its all reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I only care if you can play, then I will figure out how many years of elgibility you have.

- A college coach

Roster the weirdos if you want but if you don't win you'te out.

- A college athletic director (who the college coach reports to)

Did you speak with the coach? Why the hell are they trying to get scholoships for players that arent even playing at the highest level?

A college president (who the athletic director reports to)

What is your coach doing bringing on players that are playing on Junior Varsity high school level teams? We need to win. People dont donate when we lose.

- College Soccer Booster Club president (Who the College President. Athletic Director, and Coach speak with bi weekly at events)

I didn't know A Team ENCL/MLSN/GA were JV.

Colleges only look at players graduation date. If you're playing at a grade down level it would be Jr Varsity in their world.

So obtuse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches don't care if you are playing up/down or side to side, They care that you can actually play and then thye will care what recruting year you will be in. Could care less if they are older or younger, when looking at transfers its only relevant if you are a choosing to do it and at that point coaches who are doin this want physically developed players so being old for your grade is an advantage ultimately

Coaches are not interested in older players that are graduating in X year playing on a team thats graduating in Y year. They have lists of players playing with their grade, playing up a grade, and transfer players to choose from.

Look, this doesn't match with reality. College coaches, youth coaches don't care about kids ages/grades, just their eligibility. Not sure on why you are trying to use something so obviously incorrect as your premise for creating a situation where your DD is the oldest on her club (while stating that being the oldest doesn't matter). I would think you would have moved on to some other ginned up excuse to make her the oldest by now.

Your gambit to try to get traction to make youth soccer grade based in a way to make your September girl the oldest hasn't worked. People have pointed out the flaws and the fact that clubs and leagues are forcing anybody to play up and in fact discourage playing up.

You should regroup and try something else.

Why would clubs change from encouraging players to play up under BY to discouraging players to play up under SY?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches don't care if you are playing up/down or side to side, They care that you can actually play and then thye will care what recruting year you will be in. Could care less if they are older or younger, when looking at transfers its only relevant if you are a choosing to do it and at that point coaches who are doin this want physically developed players so being old for your grade is an advantage ultimately

Coaches are not interested in older players that are graduating in X year playing on a team thats graduating in Y year. They have lists of players playing with their grade, playing up a grade, and transfer players to choose from.

Look, this doesn't match with reality. College coaches, youth coaches don't care about kids ages/grades, just their eligibility. Not sure on why you are trying to use something so obviously incorrect as your premise for creating a situation where your DD is the oldest on her club (while stating that being the oldest doesn't matter). I would think you would have moved on to some other ginned up excuse to make her the oldest by now.

Your gambit to try to get traction to make youth soccer grade based in a way to make your September girl the oldest hasn't worked. People have pointed out the flaws and the fact that clubs and leagues are forcing anybody to play up and in fact discourage playing up.

You should regroup and try something else.

Hahaha ok littles

There's no agenda. Its all reality.

Unfortunately you lost the debate via ad hominem attacks and faulty assumptions about your opponents standing without addressing the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches don't care if you are playing up/down or side to side, They care that you can actually play and then thye will care what recruting year you will be in. Could care less if they are older or younger, when looking at transfers its only relevant if you are a choosing to do it and at that point coaches who are doin this want physically developed players so being old for your grade is an advantage ultimately

Coaches are not interested in older players that are graduating in X year playing on a team thats graduating in Y year. They have lists of players playing with their grade, playing up a grade, and transfer players to choose from.

Look, this doesn't match with reality. College coaches, youth coaches don't care about kids ages/grades, just their eligibility. Not sure on why you are trying to use something so obviously incorrect as your premise for creating a situation where your DD is the oldest on her club (while stating that being the oldest doesn't matter). I would think you would have moved on to some other ginned up excuse to make her the oldest by now.

Your gambit to try to get traction to make youth soccer grade based in a way to make your September girl the oldest hasn't worked. People have pointed out the flaws and the fact that clubs and leagues are forcing anybody to play up and in fact discourage playing up.

You should regroup and try something else.

Why would clubs change from encouraging players to play up under BY to discouraging players to play up under SY?

For an example of keeping playing up as an individual player rare, see Arlington FAQ, "Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

Oh? Except for these 2:

Brian Edelman and Sam Tinoco are both 17, and were bio-banded when they were younger.

"It happened to me at 14. I got brought down. And it was disappointing back then, because I wasn't doing as well. And I started doing way better, started focusing on myself and my ability," Tinoco said.

"Obviously, it reflects how you're doing, but I think once I started looking at it, like more positively and saying like, this is gonna be a good opportunity for me, I can lead this team now," Edelman added.

Tinoco and Edelman are both holding scholarships to play soccer in college.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/some-club-sports-using-bio-banding-measuring-physical-potential-to-determine-team-placement/

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

From what I've seen many biobands are born after Aug 1 and actually get compared to kids grade appropriate for recruiting purposes once they play down. There are biobands that get recruited. FC Delco has one going D1 who is an '07 that has played with the '08s as a bioband his entire MLSNext career. But he is in the same school class as the '08s.

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches don't care if you are playing up/down or side to side, They care that you can actually play and then thye will care what recruting year you will be in. Could care less if they are older or younger, when looking at transfers its only relevant if you are a choosing to do it and at that point coaches who are doin this want physically developed players so being old for your grade is an advantage ultimately

Coaches are not interested in older players that are graduating in X year playing on a team thats graduating in Y year. They have lists of players playing with their grade, playing up a grade, and transfer players to choose from.

Look, this doesn't match with reality. College coaches, youth coaches don't care about kids ages/grades, just their eligibility. Not sure on why you are trying to use something so obviously incorrect as your premise for creating a situation where your DD is the oldest on her club (while stating that being the oldest doesn't matter). I would think you would have moved on to some other ginned up excuse to make her the oldest by now.

Your gambit to try to get traction to make youth soccer grade based in a way to make your September girl the oldest hasn't worked. People have pointed out the flaws and the fact that clubs and leagues are forcing anybody to play up and in fact discourage playing up.

You should regroup and try something else.

Hahaha ok littles

There's no agenda. Its all reality.

Unfortunately you lost the debate via ad hominem attacks and faulty assumptions about your opponents standing without addressing the issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BTW, how does any kid who bio-bands get recruited if recruiting by grade is absolute?

They don't, which is what multiple MLSN people have said. Being a biobanded player is the kiss of death for playing professionally or in college.

Guess the Sullivan twins who are '07s that the Union Academy biobanded with their '08s this year really suck too. You people have no clue how often it is done and how successful it is for some kids.